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Rita Ora - 'Second Album'

Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by Melodee, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. I'm seeing Rita in Birmingham later today. I'm looking forward to it in terms of the fact that I'm sure she'll put on a great show, and I've liked so many singles. Like most of you though, I'm disappointed with the problematic nature of 'Girls'... and with Rita herself. "I wrote this song as a celebration, if people can’t see that it’s their problem." - wow. All of this has really put a dampener on my goodwill towards her.

    I only tend to lurk here, but this thread has been a great place to find well-reasoned and articulate points of view, so thank you for that. I've quoted a few replies to some friends - mainly other gay men, who have mostly maintained the stance that Girls is just a harmless bop, and that the likes of Hayley and Kehlani were overreacting... which has certainly lead to some heated exchanges! It's really opened my eyes to how some people don't take the concerns of queer women with the seriousness and respect they deserve, and judging by Rita's comment on stage tonight, that includes her too. That's honestly really sad. In terms of LGBT voices being listened to and respected, be it through music or other forms, I really thought 2018 was showing signs of being very progressive. Apparently a lot of people still have a 2008 frame of mind!

    I've been shocked to see that some Rita fans have targeted Hayley Kiyoko, placing blame on her for "forcing Rita to come out". Hayley was well within her rights as a queer female artist to share her concerns about the song lyrics, in relation to her own experiences and of the community at large. To even think that this contribution has "forced Rita to come out", let alone have people call her out for it, is absurd.

    Honestly, I really don't read Rita's statement as being a coming out moment - and far less as a forced one. All she did, beyond apologising for others being offended, was to reiterate what her purposefully released song alluded to in the first place. She put that out there herself. Where is the force?

    As far as I can see, at no point has Rita attributed "Bisexual" as a label to herself, so I find it curious that various news articles and her Wikipedia page now declares that she has come out as bisexual, using her pretty open-ended statement as a source.

    Rita is well within her rights not to label herself publicly, and she may very well be a part of the LGBT community. That's great. However, even if she is, that really doesn't excuse her from (seemingly) being wilfully ignorant to the plights of a community that she alludes she is a part of. If anything, that is more of a head-scratcher than if she was actually straight. Right now, the tactic seems to be to go on the defensive and to deflect, and that's really not cool - she needs to start listening and learning. Do better, Rita.
     
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  2. The sound engineer should rig it so What I Need plays over Girls at the next gig.
     
  3. @Sanctuary and @ohnostalgia have set fire to the rain in this thread and I'm gagged at both how much people are getting educated and how poorly her team is handling this (but it shouldn't be surprising since her second al**m is nowhere in sight)
     
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  4. How funny, I was just thinking earlier today that What I Need is a perfect response to Girls.
     
  5. I’d be curious to see how she said that on stage... was it defiant or was it a bit passive? Not because it excuses her but the semantics give more of an insight of what she’s thinking. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s pissed off because she’s had to validate the fact she’s been with girls. It’s not something she seemed forthcoming to share.

    This whole thing has been handled atrociously. If they were intent on putting this song out they should have had a plan from the get go. The song isn’t remotely LGBTinclusive, and deciding to market it as such was lazy. Would we be so outraged if it was marketed as “this one time I was dating this guy and he really pissed me off in a club, and I’d always wanted to just throw men away and get with girls instead. And this song is a representation of that night.”

    I mean that’s wildly problematic in itself and quite frankly nothing could save this song from the shitstorm it deserves, but I wonder if honesty from the start rather than skirting around the questions or having atrocious PR saves would have stood her in a better sted.

    I don’t know... I just think it’s all a shame. We had so much hope for Rita and this mess just doesn’t make me wanna root for her even though I do. Ditch the song, take the loss and come back in September with a monster bop.

    Or they could have just changed the lyrics to having a fun party with ur girls, girls, girls. Can still sip red wine and not offend an entire community of women with that.
     
  6. As of now nobody’s put it on YouTube but to me it seemed more defiant than passive? Though to be fair I could have just read that into it because I disagreed so much with what she was saying.
     
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  7. Firstly the song is awful and should have never been released not because of its theme or message but because it’s really shit and offensive to my ears.

    The backlash it has caused is a little extreme for a song that ain’t going nowhere and most of the general public won’t hear.

    With all the horror and daily struggles that life brings it amazes me that people find the time to be so deeply offended by this trivia. Like I am all for supporting LGBT causes but I think it’s a case of picking your battles and a soulless pop song sung by second tier pop girls ain’t a battle I want to put my energy into.

    Now if we are talking about how the majority of rap artists speak about the LGBT in their music and the hate this spreads you will hear me speak up fast!
     
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  9. Congratulations! With one post you singlehandedly managed to:
    • Completely miss the point of the argument here (i.e. people's problems with the lyrics)
    • Employ the insidious 'some people have war in their countries' fallacy that only accomplishes to deflect shit and not address it, by falling in the age old 'these millennial are offended by anything!' rabbit hole
    • Dismiss an entire genre of music without making any due distinction
    Come collect your reward at the self-serving checkout.
     
  10. I haven’t missed the point I just don’t personally feel that this amount of reaction is valid.

    I have no issue with millennials and I never mentioned age or generations in my post.
     
  11. I think some reactions seem over the top because the song itself was never meant to be legit offensive, but like I’ve said, once you read into it, it has problems and those that have eloquently explained their issues with it should be listened to and championed.

    No one is losing sleep over this though or looking to cancel all 4 girls (well... maybe Bebe) but the most important thing is that these discussions are happening.

    It’s just sad Rita is more like “fuck it” then actually understanding the criticisms.
     
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  12. It's incredible that the most offensive lyric 'hush loving' is supposed to make the song clean / radio friendly.
     
  13. I'm just waiting for the problematic tweet from Charli just to say "Bingo" cause I'm a messy bitch who lives for drama
     

  14. For now she's just refreshing Kworb.
     
  15. So I need a list of rap artists who are demeaning to the LGBTQIA community because sis you aren’t gonna get away with just saying a majority of them do it when that isn’t true. What a way to write off an entire genre.

    And yeah you really did miss the point entirely.
     
  16. Has Charli said anything yet?
     
  17. Totally agree with all of this. NOBODY "forced" Rita to come out. The situation was entirely in her hands from the start. She chose to release Girls, and chose to try and deflect the criticism (which wasn't even just coming from Hayley) by mentioning that she's had relationships with women. She fucked up, got called out for it by several queer artists including but not limited to Hayley, and is now in the process of trying to repair her reputation without actually admitting she did anything wrong. Hayley didn't force anyone to do anything.
     
  18. Mess, through and through.
     
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  19. Why am I not surprised?
     
  20. I think the most recent example of blatant homophobia in rap came from Migos who rapped I don’t want to vibe with queers.

    It’s an issue that has effected that genre of music for many years, Kayne West has spoken openly about these issues and rappers such as Cupcakke have recently made great moves to address this and try and make some positive changes.

    I appreciate all forms of music and I am sorry that anyone feels that in my previous post I was writting off a whole genre of music that was not my intention.

    I do still however think that generally there is a over reaction to a stupid pop song that won’t dent the top 10 in any country sung by a pop star that has always championed LGBT rights in the past.

    As I have lived a life and protested in many different ways through the years for equality( including being spat on, beaten up etc).I am entitled to my opinions and people informing me in a superior manner that I didn’t get the point is annoying!

    I got the point I just choose not to buy into and accept it.

    We are allowed to have different opinions yet still be respectful to all.
     
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