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The 1998 R&B Albums Rate - #72: "You may have been a moon to her, but to me she's the star..."

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by londonrain, Mar 11, 2018.


Which of these artists' followups do you like the most?

  1. Brandy - Full Moon

  2. Monica - After The Storm

  3. Lauryn Hill - MTV Unplugged No. 2.0

  4. Whitney Houston - Just Whitney...

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Our next elimination is yet another single.

    It's also yet another song from an artist who has collaborated with Whitney Houston.

    (And no, Mariah doesn't have any solo singles in this rate.)

    #76. Lately I
    Average: 5.94
    Highest score: 10 x 2 (@berserkboi, @Euphoria)
    Lowest score: 1 x 1 (@Mina)
    Chart positions: #78 US R&B
    My score: 8​

    You guys really didn’t like the last singles in each album’s singles run, seemingly. First Brandy lost her final single, then Kelly, then Deborah, and now Faith. (Well, I’m counting We Can’t Be Friends as Deborah’s final single because the single after it, I Never Knew, was only released to the dance format and didn’t get a mainstream release.)

    Lately I was released in late 1999 as the fourth and final single from Faith’s sophomore album Keep The Faith, which was her first album after the murder of legendary rapper The Notorious B.I.G., who she was married to but separated from at the time. The first three singles from Keep The Faith all reached the top 20 on the Billboard Hot 100 and the top three on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, but Lately I came nowhere close to matching their success, only managing a #78 peak on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and missing the Hot 100 altogether. In fairness, the lack of a music video is probably reflective of the lack of promo it got generally.

    Eagle-eyed observers will notice that there are several Diane Warren ballads in this rate, and Lately I is the first of them to fall - although, unusually for a Diane Warren song, it was actually co-written by Diane Warren and Stevie J (producer of several hits by The Notorious B.I.G. as well as Puff Daddy’s #1 single, I’ll Be Missing You, which features Faith singing the chorus). The song was produced by Stevie J, Mike Mason and schlockmeister extraordinaire David Foster, but I’m pretty fond of the final result. It’s basically a retread of Toni Braxton’s I Don’t Want To, which does the same thing much better, but I’m fine with that.

    Sadly, most of you disagreed. My 8 was countered by a barrage of low scores early on, and it was dead last for a lot of the voting period until some later scorers came along to rescue it, with @Euphoria‘s 10 finally lifting it to #76, which I guess is still higher than its R&B chart position, so that’s something. However, 5.94 is still a decent average for a song that most voters probably didn’t know before this rate, and I’m delighted to say that all the remaining songs got averages of above 6.

    @Ray (4) had basically had it by this point in the song list, and I know how much he adores David Foster: “More ballads in a row? AND the 90s R&B synth? Let me see the credits. EEEK!!!! *lowers score further*”

    @Mina (1) was somehow less diplomatic than that and also gives us a very specific simile: “Sounds like an animal in pain singing the most generic lyrics ever.”

    @berserkboi (10), on the other hand, is not going to be pleased to lose his first 10 so early on (“Gorgeous!”).

    @Trouble in Paradise (6.5) is a lot closer to my opinion on this, although he doesn’t like it as much as I do: “Her vocals are so sweet and despite delivering it approximately a thousand times, she imbues “lately I” with such a wistful sadness. However, I’m really not gonna be returning to this song all that much.”

    Lately I… have been bombing out of a rate.

    Lately I… have been wondering if my other three singles will do the same.

    Last edited: May 16, 2018 at 3:58 PM
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  2. Terrible first 10 to lose! Shoulda stayed for Faith's vocals alone!
  3. Ray


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  4. Oh dear.
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  5. We will be like two angry cats against each other Bub the end of this rate it seems! Lol
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  6. Lately I is beautiful.
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  7. I considered leaving it out of the extras list to cut down the number of songs but I liked it too much to drop it.

    Had you heard it before this rate?
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  8. Yep. I fell head over heels for Love Like This when I saw the video on TV when it was released in '98, asked my parents for the Keep The Faith album, was gifted it for Easter at 8 years old, & played the album non-stop for a year or two!

    (I also had Never Say Never, The Boy Is Mine, One Wish, My Love Is Your Love, & The Miseducation gifted to me throughout that time period. Hahaha.)

    There are a lot of long, emotional songs on that album, but they really seeped in & moved me. Sunny Days, No Way, & Life Will Pass You By were other favorites. Lately I always felt like a really bittersweet, almost numb end to the album after all the soul-searching she does throughout. I've always been drawn to its simplicity & honesty.
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  9. Thank you for sharing. Wow, you really had excellent gifts!

    I only discovered Keep The Faith recently (after I got Spotify) and I enjoyed the singles from it but haven't had a chance to really pay attention to the whole album (I've listened to it but not enough to name specific album tracks). Clearly I need to pick it up again.

    I thought Lately I would click better than it did with the voters, but I'm glad it at least got a couple of 10s!
  10. I just noticed the thread title.

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  11. Lately I been thinkin' about your lame taste.... jk.. I'm not upset or anything but Lately I did deserve to stick around a bit longer than this.
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  12. If you think this is bad... well, the next song out has three 10s and is our first to have an average over 6! It appears that's only enough to get it to #75 in this rate.
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  13. @londonrain I’m upset you didn’t do a spotlight on the true game changing R&B album of 1998.

  14. What kind of "the Spice Girls' debut is a great R&B album* nonsense is this?

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  15. Ddd R&B My ass. The Billie album was more R&B than that.
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  16. Tell that to the Spice Girls stans on the forum.
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  17. Any guesses for the next song out?

    Clue: two of the three people who gave it a 10 have already lost a 10. I was quite surprised to see this one ranked so low!
  18. One of my zeroes please.
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  19. One of the remaining bad covers hopefully.
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  20. If “sounds like an animal in pain singing the most generic lyrics ever” still merited a 1, what on earth did you think of your 0s?!