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THE SO+Y 2017: ◈⟐ THOT 100 ◈⟐ #66 // #65 // #64

Discussion in 'K-pop' started by Squashua, Dec 4, 2017.


How many songs should make the SO+Y Final?

Poll closed Dec 16, 2017.
  1. Let's make it a Top 100.

    10 vote(s)
  2. Same as last year - 60 songs.

    3 vote(s)
  3. 80 sounds like a reasonable extension.

    7 vote(s)
  4. Other

    0 vote(s)
  1. I'm never gonna recover from this hjalp.
  2. I'm driving aren't I
  3. Just what are people hearing in 'Signal' that I'm not? Are they playing the record backwards or something?
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  4. Playback should have stuck around for a while longer, but I'm just happy they made the final at all!

    Also, re-listening to Don't Believe and JUAT a banger!
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  5. That’s exactly what we do during our weekly Twice Mass, where we offer flop nugus to our goddess Sana.
  6. My commentary said Knock Knock was their worst single but it definitely is Signal. I hate it.
    Kuhleezi and Empty Shoebox like this.

  7. Stuck with Want You to Say on the same score is...


    TRASH FOR IT 10s:
    @GeiPanda // Monkey0 // @Serg.

    BEIGE ABOUT IT 4 to 5s:

    3.5 - @karmarisma

    It only took 30 songs, yes almost a third of the final line-up, but finally the last girl-group with more than 2 entries is knocked off their spotless record perch. Would anyone have thunk that with all the KPJ girl titans in the game that it would be rebranded goth rock-pop nugus Dreamcatcher coveting this particular spot?


    Wake Up is an album track off the gals first mini-that's-longer-than-3-songs Prequel and i'm just as shocked as you guys were (might have been?) at this squeezing through the semis. Chase Me? Sure. Sleep-walking? Definitely. Fly High? Thank goodness. The fact that someone chose this for their ballots whilst poor Good Night and its haunted forest couture got left in the realm of unchosen purgatory is still a mystery to this day, not even taking into account that it's come this far.

    That being said, if you were like me and had a momentary emo phase in the mid-00s where you weren't really emo but just went along with it because that's what the people you were friends with were doing, straightened your fringe because you thought it looked sleek but went home listening to Shakira, Beyonce and Kylie anyway this might give you MAJOR throwbacks. All the Japanime guitars scuzzing out in the post-chorus, the angsty delivery, the catchy yet almost grunted out chorus melodies... it's all very Paramore circa Riot! and that's not a bad place to be.

    BUT, only to prove my fake flop emo credentials, what I always end up singing and thinking of when I hear the chorus is THIS slice of pure unadulterated 00's RAWK ddddddd:

    New Dreamcatcher stans being suddenly
    sooo into angst and rock right now like:





    EccentricSimply: The anime vibes on this one are REAL, it’s pretty perfect. Siyeon’s voice on top of the guitars on the chorus just compliment the thing soooo well. I’m so glad they found this niche that fits them perfectly and I mean, this is only a b-side on a mini album. Can you imagine how powerful their first full is going to be? Gosh.

    ThighHighs: A jam. They put so much energy into all of their songs. You can sense their performance ability just from listening to their songs.

    Monkey0: Dem guitars!

    RUNAWAY: god this is good. I love a good k-rock song and this delivers.

    Serg. : I've been in love with Prequel ever since it came out and Wake Up was just THAT song, I am living my anime fantasy

    Cotton Park: Another blistering, searing package of intensity the likes of which only Dreamcatcher can bring.

    Slice of Life: Ddddddddddd I feel like I've heard this before as an anime opening song. Perfect hype song.

    GeiPanda: Wish this was the title track. I can’t help but absolutely be thrilled whenever I hear the first few lines of this song. [SQSH: I'd put it 3rd behind Sleep-walking and Fly High as far as Prequel goes but there's no denying it was a STRONG mini]



    Eliminathan: The chorus of this song is so up my alley it's ridiculous. I should have listened to all of their songs instead of the singles and sleep walking. That being said, I prefer the singles and sleep walking. The verses of this song aren't as good.



    Empty Shoebox: The components of this suggest that I should have rated it higher, but in comparison to the other songs here, I don't think I can. Maybe if it had more rise and fall. It seems like the whole song just goes on, rather than building up to anything.

    Karmarisma: I was ready for this song to go into hard rock territory with how it started off but then it turned out to be a happy anime theme song with some electric guitar backings. Disappointed again... [SQSH: I'm not sure where you got happy from sis - this isn't a Laboum single].

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  8. Let me just say that I actually appreciate the more relaxed pace... I think we can all agree that things have been busier than usual around PJ lately and I finally got a chance to come in here and catch up and I'm glad I haven't missed half the rate!

    My new fave is the K.A.R.D. song in all of its summertime Ace of Base-ness, with honourable mentions to 'I Like It', 'Wee Woo', and especially 'Knock Knock', which was way too adorable to kick out if you ask me.
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    Also, 99% of this forum's rates wish they were as detailed and gorgeous as @Squashua's.
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    TRASH FOR IT 10s:
    Cotton Park // @eccentricsimply // Sanctuary
    Send Photo // @Slice of Life // RUNAWAY

    BEIGE ABOUT IT 4 to 5s:
    Junglefish // Monkey0 // @vikeyeol


    And so to the former Wonder Girl doth this not-so-great honour of first out of her class go with the indie-courting German geriatric ditty I Wander, featuring reliable guest rapper Get Happy Get Gaeko. This is going to be a weird post for me because I honestly don't have much of a background with Yenny, this song or even the Wonder Girls really outside of Be My Baby / Reboot / Why So Lonely. Heck, it took me until this rate to even realise HA:TFELT (which I presume is pronounced 'Heartfelt' rather than referring to a felt hat) and the pink haired lady from Why So Lonely were one and the same but I'm going to try and write a little anyway.

    First things first, let's wander into another BEIGE_APPROVED certification:


    Well done on having no one truly properly hate your work sis, only the veiled contempt of indifference, and in some respects when you're formerly considered a "pop" musician and then decide to stray into self-proclaimed more "artsy" territory there's always going to be that dissonance between what your old fans expected and what you decide to curveball with instead. Curveball is somewhat of understatement in this case as FELTH:AT decides to swerve K-Pop's trend for using English in their songs and aims the MV preamble firmly at the Deutsche.

    Furthermore, this is a 2-for-1 deal as you get two singles with 10 minutes (!!!) worth of MV time based focused on memories and (what I may be wrong in presuming?) a very deft, beautifully-in-its-melancholy stylised depiction of dementia. Being this kind of narrative-driven, arthouse short film-esque packages comes with both positives and negatives however...



    It's a super interesting release scheme for both your videos to give clues to one another and slot in together story-wise - suddenly both releases are crucial to understanding the other. I Wander focuses more on Yenny and the man outside of his home whereas Read Me is more enveloped in the Dementia/time passing/memories themes I mentioned earlier and feels more "art" than the narrative of the former. I also very much appreciate when an artist has a point of view aside from what we usually see in K-Pop and wants to try out some new things visually with new collaborators. The opening montages in both MVs are gorgeous and certainly examples of some of the most competent film-making for MVs last year.



    You'll notice I spent the above talking mainly about visuals and that's because there's a sense that when you devote so much time to the message and the "art" so to speak, the music (what Yenny is actually selling us) kinda gets forgotten. I remember watching these for the first time trying to work out and absorb the story unraveling in front of me so barely acknowledged the music at all. I Wander the song is also not helped from having breaks in the MV where the music drops out for a story segment before returning to the same melody. Now upon listening to it aside from the videos, I definitely see the appeal more although there's no denying that I Wander is repetitive (i.e. doesn't really develop), low-key and quiet in an impact sense so there's no surprise that some of the voters didn't really engage with it.

    To be honest, I think Read Me is absolutely the better song and video in every way and some of the love for this derives more because of a love for Yenny as an artist than necessarily being people's favourite song (would this have even been balloted if Younha had released it for example?). Still, 69th place for an indie arthouse ballad with rap feature is pretty darn impressive when you think about it.




    ThighHighs: Really pretty.

    Eliminathan: It was a bit of a disappointment that HA:TFELT went full indie while Sunmi is getting all the attention, I would have liked another "Ain't Nobody" from her. The song itself has no faults though, just disappointing that Yenny is a good singer and this type of song isn't showing that off, even if the falsettos are nice. The story about the cute hobbling old homeless man in both videos is cute.



    Empty Shoebox: This just sort of...happens. No real rise and fall, so I'm not getting any emotion from it.

    Serg.: It doesn't really hold my attention for too long

    Monkey0: Let's be real, this is her "art." project so it's boring and a bit pretentious. It's nice to put on your chill playlist but it shouldn't be included on this list, especially since she released so much stuff worthy this year.

    Junglefish: I know the artist formerly known as Yenny is doing it for the art and not the charts, but this just bored me to tears. Still, her voice is lovely and I really enjoy Gaeko’s rap.



    Sanctuary: Queen of Arts Not The Charts. [SQSH: Do you think CLC use this mantra?]

    He: Talent.

    Cotton Park: I know this was the year of The Gashina and Sunmi, but Yenny will always be my girl. She just melts me and this is one of the meltiest little underappreciated classics from 2017.

    Kuhleezi: This is just so soothing and refreshing, a true K-indie gem. I feel the rap bridge, while necessary to switch things up a bit, could be slightly better to really make this song flawless. [SQSH: Agreed, I think Punchnello does a better job in Read Me for example]

    EccentricSimply: If this is the type of music she’s going to keep releasing the best decision she’s ever made was to leave JYP. I’ve been in love with it from day one. Yeeun’s voice is one of my favorites and the vibes in here are so damn good.

    Slice of Life: Indie-baiting kween kekekeke. I love this so, so much. Chill yet emotional. Serious yet cool. This is NOT the path I wished Yenny took but goddamn is she good in this faux-indie phase. RELEASE A FULL ALBUM, KWEEN. Also I know @junglefish hates this. I just wanna tell you, whore, that you're a whore. Kekeke. [SQSH: We been knew]


    : Yaeun wanders even further into her indie melo territory with this and I wander whether her wander is looked upon favourably in these parts. I love the Wander Girls.


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    Merkel's cameo is a kii.
  13. Talk about a drag that the good sis Yenny lost ha song in the SO+Y a day before she releases her next artsy pair of songs.
  14. Did Dreamcatcher's Good Night make it to the 100 we rated (I can't remember dddd)?

    Cause if not, what the fuck is wrong with us and not supporting that bop.
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  15. We needed more Twice and Red Velvet, remember?
  16. Let's not act like Dreamcatcher didn't have like 4 songs in Top 100
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  18. Heiße Scheiße. Kinda not really its really "hot shit" not "hot mess" but it rhymes.

    Hot Mess... in German... hot mess...

    "Es ist was es ist."
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2018
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    TRASH FOR IT 10s:
    Ceir // Cotton Park // @digitalkaiser
    EccentricSimply // @karmarisma // Monkey0

    BEIGE ABOUT IT 4 to 5s:
    @Kuhleezi // Send Photo // Squashua

    1 - Salami

    Oh boy oh boy there are going to be unnies gunning for me with this one (but probably more after @Salami if we're being honest - thanks for your villainry with this one sis!) but here lies one of my lowest scoring songs in the whole 100.

    YES. You heard that right.

    one of my LOWEST


    But why?

    It's not objectively the worst song in this list, nor the trashiest and it's SM so there's always going to be some level of sheen to it in a way most tadpole companies could never

    but is it the biggest example in the whole 100 of "will this do?" talent squandering generic-ness?


    EXO has served up plenty of brilliant comebacks since i've been properly tracking K-Pop. The Eve and Ko Ko Bop are still in the game here (and i'd add What U Do? to that list too), the CBX boys are 2/2 on releases and I have fond memories of bopping along to Love Me Right and Monster. Power, on the other hand, is pretty much what happens when a board-meeting of suited middle-aged business exec blokes who only listen to the sound of rustling won notes come together to discuss ways that a group can make even more money with the smallest investment possible.



    "Hey fellas, let's not take any more time away from our drinking session hmm? I say we repackage these EXO lads most recent album and just put out an arbitrarily 'fun' sounding Chris Brown circa 2011 EDM demo with a nondescript, highly expected repeated chorus refrain that requires little to no studio recording time at all. Heck, we could probably get the sound nerds to just piece together some vocal stems - who cares if they sound bored? The audience won't even care over dem BIG. BUMPIN'. BEATZ. Is that what the kids use? Pretty sure they do. Don't question my authority in trend-setting lingo CARL...

    And MV concept you say? Hmmm. Well fangirls love heroes and guys look up to them right? What about if we make the EXO boys heroes - IN SPACE? Yeah, yeah that's good. That's real good. Who would even think of that combo, it's brilliant! They just did a Power Rangers reboot so let's run with that kinda thing. If we pitch it as "comic-book-y" and "goofy" then the stans won't even mind if the acting is borderline ropey, the CGI looks like Wall-E on bath salts produced by Nickelodeon for their Thursday midday re-runs hour and the main robot villain has been, rather umimaginatively, designed to look like a white light-up butt plug. WAIT. Did I say that out loud? I meant... err... an EGG TIMER. Yes... a white light-up butt time.. I MEAN egg timer. Ahem.

    Carry on as you were lads. Dave, first round's on you.

    *overtly-masculine corporate guffawing ensues*

    And with that, i'm out.
    Sorry EXO, at least this was just a one-time blip ey?





    Empty Shoebox: As I'm sure we've already established, I'm not a big fan of boybands, but this is okay. When it eventually gets started, that is.

    Eliminathan: The video is uh, something. I feel the same about the song. This song couldn't hold a candle to Ko Ko Bop or The Eve. It's catchy but I don't think it's anything special. My faves look good in it though so that's also something.

    D is for Danger! : A little generic, but not bad.

    Kuhleezi: It’s pleasant enough, but other than the “Poweeeeer, poweeeeer” bits and some production tricks it always fails to leave a long-lasting impression

    : Very straightforward bop, doesn’t really try to do anything unique or different. The MV director was totally living out his/her creative fantasies.



    Digitalkaiser (+ Gramps): Another song my husband likes, basically I’m letting him help me with some of these scores since he likes to chime in on kpop. Let’s call him @digitalgrandpa. He likes this because it has a ‘thomping beat’ and that’s sincerely digitalgrandpa (eyesemoji). [SQSH: When is he signing up to KPJ though?]

    ThighHighs: This song is so fun, but it’s really all about the music video for me. When that fucking cat starts hitting the buttons, I was screaming.

    Slice Of Life: This is how you do a basic bop, BTS. Learn from your sunbaes xoxo. [SQSH: Oh gosh, thank god DNA didn't make the final too.]

    Karmarisma: This song was a 10 the first time I heard it just because of how uplifting it is. It makes me feel like I have the power. I can listen to this while washing the dishes, when forcing myself to stay awake at work, while I'm studying and hate myself. The best part was seeing EXO perform this live and ABSOLUTELY GOING OFF AND RAISING THE ROOF.

    Monkey0: Truly, an euphoric anthem of the year.

    Cotton Park: Nothing, and I mean, nothing gets me out of bed on a shitty Monday morning like this amazing slab of uplifting energy from EXO. It just builds and builds and when you think it's done it builds some more. I even like the Daft Punk filchery. I even like Kai.

    Serg.: We love the only kpop song to be played in Dubai at the worlds largest fountain show [SQSH: I sense that the UAE may have just spotified and added any song with the word "power" in the title. Did Lana's Money Power Glory come on after too? Bop]

    EccentricSimply: UNDERRATED BOP! Like c’mon, yes EXO does amazing ~serious music and this could easily come close to the level of cringe that Mama still offers, but it’s so damn refreshing seeing the way they said fuck it and just released a fun song. Their performances of it were all pretty great to watch because of the sheer amount of happiness in them and the song itself is a delight. Sometimes EDM can be good, I GUESS. [SQSH: I read this as more of an apology than a glowing review so I accept it.]



    Salami: Only giving it 1 point because I only have 1 zero. I can’t stand this mess, they’re capable of so much more. It’s just noise, and as for the MV....worst one I’ve seen in a long time. [SQSH: I mean, Holiday wasn't particularly spell-binding either but I digress]