He/Him
Ah okay good. That's a great way to talk about it. Suddenly my respect for the writers actually went up.
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- Thread starter Dangerous Maknae
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he / him
Also most importantly Tyler is given time to talk about it, as well as talk about how he feels for Monty. As someone who has gone through assault, there's an incredibly complex feeling attached to it that can't just be attributed to hatred and there is an understanding that these people have done things to you and yet they're fully functioning human beings with wider relationship groups and as much as we wish they would simply die that's just one step out of recovery.
I'm genuinely shocked to find some of you enjoyed season 4.
Myself & everyone I know that watch the show have all agreed at how bad it was.
The entire season was actually pointless & the character development was so poor it was laughable.
It made me angry to the point I was constantly yelling at the screen as to how stupid these people were and how awful their decision making was, especially Clay.
And suddenly everyone is seeing ghosts? Eff right off!
Also don't get me started on the 'twist' that was so obvious from the get go.
Rant over.
Myself & everyone I know that watch the show have all agreed at how bad it was.
The entire season was actually pointless & the character development was so poor it was laughable.
It made me angry to the point I was constantly yelling at the screen as to how stupid these people were and how awful their decision making was, especially Clay.
And suddenly everyone is seeing ghosts? Eff right off!
Also don't get me started on the 'twist' that was so obvious from the get go.
Rant over.
Pretty sure Clay explained he actually wasn't seeing ghosts (which applies to Jess / Alex) as well but some of y'all clearly didn't go in with an open mind coming off season 3.
Being upset at what happens in the final episode, while ignoring all the inclusiveness they pushed this season considering the month it's released...
The show definitely has its issues but I think they did a good job trying to course correct even if I don't agree with every single direction they went in.
Being upset at what happens in the final episode, while ignoring all the inclusiveness they pushed this season considering the month it's released...
The show definitely has its issues but I think they did a good job trying to course correct even if I don't agree with every single direction they went in.
I mean, after the shenanigans they pulled at the end of season 2 & throughout the entirety of season 3, they really didn’t deserve viewers having any kind of an open mind. And as much as they tried (I guess I can give them them) to course correct, the went right back for the same ‘ol nonsense at the end.
Also, I’m not about to give a show props for revealing a rapist as gay,
...not the inclusiveness I need.
Also, I’m not about to give a show props for revealing a rapist as gay,
having someone who dabbled in male prostitution die from AIDS, and revealing another character as bisexual at the last minute
You don't need to give them props for anything, nor did anyone ask you to.
Pretty sure It was the actors who played Clay and Justin who wanted the Justin character to be killed off and convinced the writers to go along with it. They also never said he got HIV because of male prostitution. The doctor just said he could have been ashamed to get tests done because of his sex work and drug use that also included using dirty needles, an assumption on her part since Justin never spoke about it clearly. Are we acting like Justin wasn't actively bragging in season 2 about the amount of girls he had slept? Who even knows? He was always sickly, the writers should have cleared this up more but caving to the requests of the actors probably left them in a tight spot.
I also dont see why a character sexuality being explored in the final season is an issue? There were hints in season 3, as gays we should all know sexuality isn't something everyone just figures out so easily as a teen in denial. But I'm not even gonna dabble in this as it's just nit-picking.
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Well.......I feel like the end really sucked but then again the show had already went off the rails awhile ago. Some things get dragged out and other things that should take more time happen to quickly and get glossed over. I always had a issue with the pacing from season one. For me it was just like listen to all the damn tapes already Clay. I do think this season had the right idea to deal with Clay's mental state and how everything affected him. Characters that were pretty annoying still were here. Especially Alex and Tony. It felt random to bring back the other characters from past seasons that just vanished. The Justin surprise was really handled messy and felt thrown in and while they paid for everything mentally the main characters got away with too much too easily. Well its over.
I just finished watching Season 4.
I don't know what to think. I liked it and I kind of despised it, too?
I don't know what to think. I liked it and I kind of despised it, too?
For some reason, when I told myself I would be watching this season, and thus started "anticipating" and "predicting" what may happen, I genuinely did not think Clay would still have such a major role in the story? At the end of the season 3, the rest of the main cast felt like they were ready to take the story ahead themselves, with or without Clay. Obviously, I never expected him to be out of the way entirely, but instead, he's pretty much leading the first five episodes all by himself, with barely any glimpse of the main cast besides a little bit of Alex and maybe Zach.
The season managed to feel like it was both stalling and rushed, somehow. The entire "Who framed Monty?" ultimately doesn't lead to...anything concrete. Like...at all. It has no pay offs. Which just makes all the space it takes in the season feel redundant. It doesn't help that Winston's little quest for the truth doesn't feel realistic either, and he's kind of not allowed to have any characteristics besides that. (Speaking of, he fell in love with Monty just as fast he fell in love with Alex, it was a bit too much). Diego's character felt more...reasonable. Maybe Winston should have just been used as way to tell Diego he was Monty's alibi, and then that's it for him? Alex's sexuality can still be explored through Zach and Charlie. Like, it was just unnecessary? Same for Monty's sister, Estela. Ulimately, her character (and quest) doesn't lead...anywhere. It doesn't culminate into anything. (Although, I do think her interactions with Tyler were great TV.)
It's just really weird. The last episode, instead, feels like what the season should have been all about really. I understand the "reservations" some people have about the "plot twist". I don't feel like it's my place to speak about how that should make you feel. All I can say is that, for me, it worked : it was extremely depressing, emotional and devastating as Justin was one of my favorite characters on the show.
And it's the aftermath of those events that might have made a more interesting season.
I don't know. The season just felt lacking and like it wasn't given me what I wanted.
(Also, is there anything (interviews, whatever) from Katherine Langford or other cast members as to why Hannah wasn't featured more in the last episode? Re-using the scene from Season 1 wasn't a bad idea, but I kind of expected her to make a more proper appearance at some point. She kind of left a huge mark on the show, you know?)
The season managed to feel like it was both stalling and rushed, somehow. The entire "Who framed Monty?" ultimately doesn't lead to...anything concrete. Like...at all. It has no pay offs. Which just makes all the space it takes in the season feel redundant. It doesn't help that Winston's little quest for the truth doesn't feel realistic either, and he's kind of not allowed to have any characteristics besides that. (Speaking of, he fell in love with Monty just as fast he fell in love with Alex, it was a bit too much). Diego's character felt more...reasonable. Maybe Winston should have just been used as way to tell Diego he was Monty's alibi, and then that's it for him? Alex's sexuality can still be explored through Zach and Charlie. Like, it was just unnecessary? Same for Monty's sister, Estela. Ulimately, her character (and quest) doesn't lead...anywhere. It doesn't culminate into anything. (Although, I do think her interactions with Tyler were great TV.)
It's just really weird. The last episode, instead, feels like what the season should have been all about really. I understand the "reservations" some people have about the "plot twist". I don't feel like it's my place to speak about how that should make you feel. All I can say is that, for me, it worked : it was extremely depressing, emotional and devastating as Justin was one of my favorite characters on the show.
And it's the aftermath of those events that might have made a more interesting season.
I don't know. The season just felt lacking and like it wasn't given me what I wanted.
(Also, is there anything (interviews, whatever) from Katherine Langford or other cast members as to why Hannah wasn't featured more in the last episode? Re-using the scene from Season 1 wasn't a bad idea, but I kind of expected her to make a more proper appearance at some point. She kind of left a huge mark on the show, you know?)
3 episodes in so not looking at the spoilers....
but Fuck me, it's turned into a shitty Pretty Little Liars knock-off with a more wooden cast!
but Fuck me, it's turned into a shitty Pretty Little Liars knock-off with a more wooden cast!
For starters, even though this season was shorter than the previous ones, it felt longer. The episodes were so bloated, 60-minute episodes that could have been cut to 45 easily, and that fucking 98-minute finale...what the actual fuck.
And about the writing choices, these show runners must be out of their minds. The amount of trauma they put these characters through...good lord. Having Justin die from AIDS was a fucking choice that completely killed any sort of respect the show still had. Like, what is this? I felt like I was watching a show from the 90’s when people thought HIV was a death sentence, and barely knew the difference between HIV and AIDS. Congratulations on perpetuating the stigma HIV positive people fought so hard to get rid of. With that said, I feel bad for some of the actors because there’s some real talent in that cast.
Me and my sister have watched the first three episodes and honestly I hope it gets better because it felt like watching three full movies despite almost nothing happening. Clay makes absolutely no sense as a character so far this season and it's like the writers want you to HATE even those who were decent (Jessica and Zack).
Is the portrayal of mental illness going to get less offensive?
Should have stopped at season 2.