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20GAYTeen the Rate: WINNER!!
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71. "Plum"
By Troye Sivan
7.025
Highest Score: 10 x 3 (@Sanctuary @happiestgirl @KingBruno)
Lowest Score: 1.5 x 1 @LE0Night)
My Score: 4
Maybe our time has come
Maybe we're overgrown
Even the sweetest plum
Has only got so long
Just as he sings it, Troye's time has come. He put up a valiant fight with some ardent defenders but right before reaching the Top 70, he loses his first track. He can rest a little easier knowing that he at least is the first to cross the 7 average!
I'm going to try to walk a fine line in this write up and you can let me know how I do: I want to honestly share my thoughts on the song, I don't want to add to the fire of the overall Troye discourse, I want to share some backstory to the song, and I want to avoid a negative tone/shut down a song some of you gave a 10 to! Wish me luck!
First, I'd like to explain my score especially as someone who has a history of defending Troye. "Plum" to me captures everything I didn't like about Bloom in one song. I tried keeping it out of the rate, but it was the Troye song most people suggested for his last song space. "Plum" to me is a combination of meh production that's more focused on being a bop than being interesting or new and lyrics that think they're saying more than they are. Blue Neighbourhood was full of inventive production and heart crushing lyrical phrases - I cry almost every time I listen to "Heaven" and "Ease" still goes all the way off. The opening verse of "Plum" is classic Troye, setting clear story-based imagery but then the fruit metaphors come in. I mean, who says "bitter tangerine?!" Then the chorus is full of unimaginative 80's synths and those god damn squeaky noises. Lastly, I think "Plum" suffers (as Bloom does overall) in a case of unmet expectations. I still have vivid memories of Troye soundtracking his instagram story with his boyfriend in New York when it was snowing to "Peach, Plum, Pear" by Joanna Newsom and then seeing "Plum" on the track list. I was READY for my baby to give me some harps and poetry. Instead, I got a Spotify-baiting wanna be bop.
Okay, now that that's done, let's move into a more positive space! Troye has performed "Plum" on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and explained what the song was about in his interview.
Now what did you moldy fruits have to say?
londonrain I like the imagery of “Even the sweetest plum has only got so long.”
reboot All right song. Again, shit vocals.
constantino Ew, Michelle.
The Hot Rock Pretty much what I said about My My My!. It isn't bad but there isn't much for me to return to here.
King Bruno At first glance this seems like a conventional but catchy pop tune. However, once you get deeper into it, you realize that the song distinguishes itself from the rest of the album due to its lyrical matter, which focuses on an unstable relationship: “Baby, we're barely holding, holding on, oh / Even the sweetest plum / Has only got so long”. It’s a subject less dealt with in pop music, and it kinda hits close to home. Besides, it’s just very catchy.
Untouchable Ace A little generic, but being upbeat makes it a stand out. He's such a bottom.
ufint I enjoy listening to it, but after listening to it 20 times I honestly couldn’t sing along to a single line. Every time I look at the track list, I’m like “Who is she again? Is she the bald queen that was an extra for 12 episodes then had that Whitney-lipsync?”
Music is Life This bops and I like the slightly weird lyrics.
Remorque It's a nice and solid bop, but it's a little apropos-of-nothing-y to me... I mean... It's over before you know it and honey, was he half asleep laying down that vocal track?
kalonite Ok, so Call Me By Your Name was one of my favourite movies of 2017. I love this album. I should literally be the target audience here. But the lyrics are just so awful, that I can't even get on board with a good tune
71. "Plum"
By Troye Sivan
7.025
Highest Score: 10 x 3 (@Sanctuary @happiestgirl @KingBruno)
Lowest Score: 1.5 x 1 @LE0Night)
My Score: 4
Maybe our time has come
Maybe we're overgrown
Even the sweetest plum
Has only got so long
I'm going to try to walk a fine line in this write up and you can let me know how I do: I want to honestly share my thoughts on the song, I don't want to add to the fire of the overall Troye discourse, I want to share some backstory to the song, and I want to avoid a negative tone/shut down a song some of you gave a 10 to! Wish me luck!
First, I'd like to explain my score especially as someone who has a history of defending Troye. "Plum" to me captures everything I didn't like about Bloom in one song. I tried keeping it out of the rate, but it was the Troye song most people suggested for his last song space. "Plum" to me is a combination of meh production that's more focused on being a bop than being interesting or new and lyrics that think they're saying more than they are. Blue Neighbourhood was full of inventive production and heart crushing lyrical phrases - I cry almost every time I listen to "Heaven" and "Ease" still goes all the way off. The opening verse of "Plum" is classic Troye, setting clear story-based imagery but then the fruit metaphors come in. I mean, who says "bitter tangerine?!" Then the chorus is full of unimaginative 80's synths and those god damn squeaky noises. Lastly, I think "Plum" suffers (as Bloom does overall) in a case of unmet expectations. I still have vivid memories of Troye soundtracking his instagram story with his boyfriend in New York when it was snowing to "Peach, Plum, Pear" by Joanna Newsom and then seeing "Plum" on the track list. I was READY for my baby to give me some harps and poetry. Instead, I got a Spotify-baiting wanna be bop.
Okay, now that that's done, let's move into a more positive space! Troye has performed "Plum" on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and explained what the song was about in his interview.
Plum's about, have you ever woken up next to someone and been like, you know I don’t think this is going to work out… It's really sad cause it's about the idea that even the most pure, sweet thing can eventually rot."
Colbert sharply replied "I can't wait to hear the song!" which cracks me up. Sivan covers this bittersweet sentiment in his upbeat production and delivery. Many of Troye's ardent fans have come to believe that this song is about his rumored relationship with fellow out youtuber Connor Franta. Tronnor as they were known is thought to be the main inspiration behind Blue Neighbourhood though their relationship has never been confirmed as far as I know. Interestingly, in an interview with Elvis Duran Troye said everyone he's written a song about knows its about them except for one song. I'd assume the person who doesn't know is the man behind "Seventeen" so one can assume whether its Franta or another ex, somebody knows they're moldy fruit in Troye's eyes.
Now what did you moldy fruits have to say?
londonrain I like the imagery of “Even the sweetest plum has only got so long.”
reboot All right song. Again, shit vocals.
constantino Ew, Michelle.
The Hot Rock Pretty much what I said about My My My!. It isn't bad but there isn't much for me to return to here.
King Bruno At first glance this seems like a conventional but catchy pop tune. However, once you get deeper into it, you realize that the song distinguishes itself from the rest of the album due to its lyrical matter, which focuses on an unstable relationship: “Baby, we're barely holding, holding on, oh / Even the sweetest plum / Has only got so long”. It’s a subject less dealt with in pop music, and it kinda hits close to home. Besides, it’s just very catchy.
Untouchable Ace A little generic, but being upbeat makes it a stand out. He's such a bottom.
ufint I enjoy listening to it, but after listening to it 20 times I honestly couldn’t sing along to a single line. Every time I look at the track list, I’m like “Who is she again? Is she the bald queen that was an extra for 12 episodes then had that Whitney-lipsync?”
Music is Life This bops and I like the slightly weird lyrics.
Remorque It's a nice and solid bop, but it's a little apropos-of-nothing-y to me... I mean... It's over before you know it and honey, was he half asleep laying down that vocal track?
kalonite Ok, so Call Me By Your Name was one of my favourite movies of 2017. I love this album. I should literally be the target audience here. But the lyrics are just so awful, that I can't even get on board with a good tune
londonrain
Staff member
Okay, but is @Beautiful Child 2 going to remind us all again that Troye is white?
He/Him
And now, I wait...
He/Him
Wait at you posting this at the same time I post my gif making me look shady af!
I love Bloom as a whole but I got over Plum after like 2 plays so if a Troye song had to go, y'all chose the right one.
Asdfghkl ya'll are killing me.And now, I wait...
I have to say though I am surprised this is already out. "Dance To This" should have gone first.
ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
Okay not the Troye track I wanted but I will take it.
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This is the only Troye song I didn't give a 10.
I gave it a 9.5.
I gave it a 9.5.
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ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
On blue neighbourhood, which unfortunately is not in this rate.
he / him
‘My My My!’ is absolutely excellent and I worry about people that cant accept that.
Also ‘Lucky Strike’ is a 10/10.
ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
The most I’ll give a Troye song from Bloom is good. Certainly not great or excellent. The best Troye song here is The Good Side anyway, not those two.
she/her
Plum is easily the worst Troye song in this rate, so I'm fine with it leaving now.
I fear for The Good Side. It's such a pretty song, but it takes a few listens for it to really hit you, so I can see it getting a pretty low average.
I fear for The Good Side. It's such a pretty song, but it takes a few listens for it to really hit you, so I can see it getting a pretty low average.
I don't really have any strong opinions about Troye, one way or the other. He's fine.
The Good Side, though, is simply a beautiful song. I hope it sticks around for awhile.
He/Him
Plum being the first Troye song out is correct. Good job everyone.
