BIG POP GIRLS 2024

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The vibe towards Chappell on this thread


I mean, not really? I find her really endearing! I'm sure most of us do. She's very talented, she's earnest, and she clearly has showmanship and pop writing sensibilities (not to mention, she's politically astute). I just think the album is very much a passable debut album that exudes potential but never quite carries it over the top in the same way the other albums in this rate do. Which is fine. I hope she has a long career ahead of her.
 
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There's something very whimsical about TR&FOAMP (yes I'll break the rules!! - Charli XCX) and why I've said she was kinda eating the original icon Miss Allie X's Collxtion I nachos for many of the album's highest points.

There's just a bunch of classical pop music moments that feel like they're not needlessly referential.

Like no one is going into the studio and writing "Femininomenon" thinking they're writing a hit in the mid-2020s.

Whereas you can practically hear the fucking cogs TURNING in Jack Antonoff's head during parts of Short n Sweet, or how similarly niche gay acts often fall into the trap of Xeroxing their blueprint to the point of essentially rubbing the shine from the stone because now the sound is so insular and expected (Carly Rae Jepsen).

It just feels like its own little isolated universe of pop music no one else was or is doing in 2024 (or 2020-2024)

So many albums in 2024 had the issue of not being okay with just.. being pop music and needing to either make the music convoluted (Sabrina thinking anyone wants... twangy ballads from her) or the inverse of dressing up fairly pedestrian music with convoluted references (I still don't know what a Primal Scream is but.. Dua, girl, just say disco!).

The two best albums here feel like projects where... people just wanted to make good music! dddd

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Like... the ease... the effortlessness... the emotional intelligence...

No trend-chasing... literally letting a random astrologist chat shit for 45 seconds for the sake of universe building...

An artist of her craft...





Sometimes the work doesn't need to be propped up by a mission statement... it just needs to be good!

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This isn't the first time it happens and it won't be the last, but it's perfectly fine to like and be invested in someone as an artist/personality/performer without having to act like everything they put out is exceptional. Like a lot of the material on that album is just mid and I'm pretty sure nobody would be going to bat for most of these songs, showering people with ducks for criticising them, or honestly even giving them a second listen if they hadn't been released by someone they cared about, and I'm sorry but a good chunk of it really does sound like it could have been released by about twenty different quirky singer-songwriter girls on Spotify. And while I know the first part of what I said applies to everyone/every artist to some extent, honestly acting like people are just pressed haters because they don't think *checks notes* Picture You, Kaleidoscope or Guilty Pleasure are 10s and don't see what's really a pretty uneven album as some sort of masterpiece is a bit extra.
 
This isn't the first time it happens and it won't be the last, but it's perfectly fine to like and be invested in someone as an artist/personality/performer without having to act like everything they put out is exceptional.
This is so funny when you were in here recently handing out detailed instructions on how to listen to get through TTPD without losing the will to live. Listen to your own screed!
 
This is so funny when you were in here recently handing out detailed instructions on how to listen to get through TTPD without losing the will to live. Listen to your own screed!

The last time I posted anything about TTPD was was literally a reply to you asking what the difference between the two parts of the album was supposed to be, so... sorry for engaging I guess

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This isn't the first time it happens and it won't be the last, but it's perfectly fine to like and be invested in someone as an artist/personality/performer without having to act like everything they put out is exceptional. Like a lot of the material on that album is just mid and I'm pretty sure nobody would be going to bat for most of these songs, showering people with ducks for criticising them, or honestly even giving them a second listen if they hadn't been released by someone they cared about, and I'm sorry but a good chunk of it really does sound like it could have been released by about twenty different quirky singer-songwriter girls on Spotify. And while I know the first part of what I said applies to everyone/every artist to some extent, honestly acting like people are just pressed haters because they don't think *checks notes* Picture You, Kaleidoscope or Guilty Pleasure are 10s and don't see what's really a pretty uneven album as some sort of masterpiece is a bit extra.
Sis, it's also just a matter of taste and how the cookie crumbles, which is hardly ever evenly. Sometimes you just find yourself in the minority, and that's okay. I actually think your way of describing Chappell's album would lend itself deliciously to describe Taylor's, and you would duck that! That's your prerogative! You're basically saying we are forcing the idea that the material is good just because we like Chappell, but maybe we just... genuinely like the material dd. Pontificating about how an album is really just mid, how it could be released by literally anyone, etc., is ultimately pointless when that's just... your opinion.
 
Only second to:

"I love this song!"
"It actually SUCKS and you're just PRETENDING to like it because you're INVESTED!!! I am NOT a pressed hater, but you ARE pretending!!! OBJECTIVE REALITY!!!"

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Glad you're finally seeing the light <3

But seriously, obviously everyone can like or dislike whatever they want to like or dislike, it's the acting like something is 100% Objectively Very Good and like everyone who disagrees is just a Hater that's annoying, and this is especially true when a lot of the material is (subjectivity alert) what it is. It's like... I think everyone came into this rate expecting plenty of people wouldn't be too hot on TTPD, Radical Optimism, Short n Sweet, hell even Cowboy Carter to some extent, and you just have to accept that, but when it's Chappell's album being criticised the reaction is basically always

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