Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Angel

[TwistedInnocence]

I’m on Season 6 of my rewatch.

Bringing her back from the dead, having her force her way out of her own grave and then throwing bills for her childhood home in her face after they’ve been living in it for months.

The nerve of the scoobs at the start of this season!

 

[burzacott]

For me, season 7 just melted into one. I can hardly remember any specific episodes.

 

[Mikl C]

For me, season 7 just melted into one. I can hardly remember any specific episodes.

The ones that come to mind are Conversations with Dead People and the Anya centric episode. The Spike and Principal stuff dragged a lot though and things went further downhill with the potential nonsense.

 

[BTG]

I hope Vi has died since Chosen x

Chao-Ahn remains an icon.

 

[DangerousHun]

Chao-Ahn deserved an Emmy. A true queen.

I also still have nightmares about the comically awful English accent of one of the other potentials.

 

[Hudvar]

Bar Joss, are the rest of the core players all on speaking terms?

 

[DangerousHun]

I hope Dawn comes back. After numerous rewatches her character was annoying at first but unfairly derided by fans. She really wasn’t that bad. Her just randomly having a sister in the closing episode remains such a gag. Imagine watching live and having to wait a week.

And I want miss Trachtenberg back on screen where she belongs.

 

[Shockbox]

I genuinely think if they went with an idea similar to the Kendare Blake books, the show would be stellar.

 

[Joe.]

I loved Molly and her terrible accent.

 

[rav4boy]

I loved Molly and her terrible accent.

Never forget her face when Caleb goes for Xander.

 

[DangerousHun]

Talking of season 7, obviously the main standout is Conversations with Dead People. But “filler” episodes like “Him” are so much better than they have any right to be. It’s genuinely laugh out loud funny in so many scenes, the girls really delivered nuanced comedy in an episode that otherwise would have seemed overly heavy-handed and honestly just plain stupid.

I just love stanning a show where one episode can have me cackling while another will simultaneously rip my heart out and throw it back in my face.

 

[j267]

‘Him’ is one of the episodes of later seasons I go back to more than any. One of, if not the funniest episode of the entire series.

 

[Joe.]

‘Him’ is one of the episodes of later seasons I go back to more than any. One of, if not the funniest episode of the entire series.

It really is. So underrated.

 

[Sick Sad World]

I haven't read everything that's been added in here the last week or 2... but where does Joss fit in all this? I'm assuming/hoping he'll be nowhere near it?

 

[P'NutButter]

I haven't read everything that's been added in here the last week or 2... but where does Joss fit in all this? I'm assuming/hoping he'll be nowhere near it?

He's not a blip on the radar.

Season 7 gets a harsh time, but I would only put about 4 episodes of the 22 in the "less-than-great" pile. and even those have moments like -

 

[carlos_b_fly]

To be honest, the wheels will fall off the show very quickly if Sarah and the producers respond to fan favourites being brought back regardless of how their characters ended on the show. Anya, Tara, Cordelia etc. would all just quickly move this into fan fiction territory, or like the messy Slayers audio series where you cobble together who is most willing to come back rather than who makes most sense for the story.

I'd utterly hate it if the show just starts to undo every death for a run of nostalgia and cameos. Tara and Cordelia both had such powerful endings, cheapening them for some fan squeals just isn't worth it. There are plenty of characters out there they can work with still alive if it serves the story.

 

[boom bazooka joe]

Season 7 is a tricky one. I’d actually say the run from Lessons through Never Leave Me (hell even Showtime) is incredibly solid, but the back half of the season is a hot mess.

 

[VicePresidentJocasta]

One thing the originals series always respected was death. Aside from obviously Buffy coming coming back, which had an entire season of dark consequences, they never went the cheap route of magically resurrecting every character that died. Jenny, Kendra, Joyce, Tara - their deaths had real impact because they FELT final. The show trained the audience to know that we didn't need to second-guess those things, and it kept the stakes high. Going back on that now would be silly. I don't want them to throw those rules out the window because it'd be fun to get a cameo from Anya or Tara. They died of natural causes. They should stay dead. Seeing them again wouldn't add anything to Buffy's journey.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

One thing the originals series always respected was death. Aside from obviously Buffy coming coming back, which had an entire season of dark consequences, they never went the cheap route of magically resurrecting every character that died. Jenny, Kendra, Joyce, Tara - their deaths had real impact because they FELT final. The show trained the audience to know that we didn't need to second-guess those things, and it kept the stakes high. Going back on that now would be silly. I don't want them to throw those rules out the window because it'd be fun to get a cameo from Anya or Tara. They died of natural causes. They should stay dead. Seeing them again wouldn't add anything to Buffy's journey.

Completely agree - Supernatural is a series where critics and fans universally agree quality went significantly downhill when the writers began to constantly undo deaths, meaning so many of the stories lost any sense of suspense or real stakes.

The gag is that for all the talk of actors ageing presenting a challenge - Julie Benz and Juliet Landau could probably pull off a flashback with good lighting and no CGI. Queens!

 

[believeagain]

I just got to Passion on my rewatch.

That’s an episode that should be kept in mind by the new writers as the greatness they should aim for. Devastating.