Camila Cabello - Camila

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Well I for one am not talking about ability when I say her voice is grating and unpleasant to the ears. I just mean her voice is grating and unpleasant to the ears.

And that's perfectly fine and great of an opinion to have.

I don't think I'm having delusions when suggesting that wording is a bit different and less abrasive then:
Help me here, I don't get her appeal at all. Her stans can tell me whatever about the uniqueness of her voice, it's still very marmite where 90% of people don't like it.

Though again, my bad for my vagueness given the intense rush of aggression that imploded following it.
 

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...I'm not saying it's not already a great song but "DO WORK DO WORK" at the end made it a bit of a meme between my friends and it's amazing.
 
Camilla has a great pop voice and I might even like it better the more she does "the most." That sqawking "I can see a city sleep, I can see an ocean wave" in Write On Me that's like barbed wire on the eardrums... unfffffff yes. I live for it.
 
I just... How does she inspire any sort of passionate defense or stanning or industry support? She sure as hell isnt a Beyoncé or Justin in a sense that she's just teeming with charisma and star power and talent, and was the obvious STAR from the get-go. She's not particularly an amazing singer, isn't an amazing dancer, and didn't come from a group with the same cultural grip/presence as Destiny's Child or N'Sync. I just don't see how this illicites more than a shrug or a sigh. Expect better from your solo breakouts, people.
 
People always trying to claim Camila's voice is "objectively" bad is so funny.

Like... the majority of their fans, radio, industry heads AND the very producers who make their music are all wrong? All of them?

I didn't say her voice was objectively bad. While I don't think she's great vocally either, I don't see how being able to sing could be "marmite". I was clearly talking about tone, yes.

Seconding ohnostalgia here. You can have a hit regardless of the 'pleasantness' of your tone, or your ability to sing for that matter, from there you'll have radio, industry people and producers behind you. + Acts, especially like her, will always have fans.
My point was: her tone is.. peculiar and she doesn't seem to excel in anything else, is her popularity her only appeal?
People are buying a song despite "90%" of all people finding its singer's voice shrill, unpleasant and annoying? Which is why I point out the difference in ability and tone. If she can't sing well, she simply can't sing well, but for people to suggest her voice is objectively annoying and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong is a little much.

Again, I wasn't that.. vehement. I just said most people don't like it, I'm just going by what I see here, on other forums and on social media, even from her/5h's own fans. I'm sure some people like it though..? Obviously.

Both songs she released are collabs, one she's only singing the chorus on. Let's wait until she has an album out, or hell just a whole song, of only her vocals at least... I don't even think her voice always sound terrible but yes you can enjoy a song when the singer hasn't got the most pleasant voice, I don't think this is brand new information.
 
I just... How does she inspire any sort of passionate defense or stanning or industry support? She sure as hell isnt a Beyoncé or Justin in a sense that she's just teeming with charisma and star power and talent, and was the obvious STAR from the get-go. She's not particularly an amazing singer, isn't an amazing dancer, and didn't come from a group with the same cultural grip/presence as Destiny's Child or N'Sync. I just don't see how this illicites more than a shrug or a sigh. Expect better from your solo breakouts, people.
My point exactly.

I think she and any of them could have a relatively successful solo career though, in these times when developing a fanbase (thus your personality, your social media presence, etc.) is what makes you or not. But apart from that, I don't see her appeal.
 

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I just... How does she inspire any sort of passionate defense or stanning or industry support?

I get why she has stans in the same way that I understand why all five members of 1D have stans who will follow their solo work. They cultivate a persona that people gravitate towards and identify with. You're not just a 5H fan, you're a Camila stan first, 5H fan second. Best example in recent memory would be Zayn- a lot of his support came from people who were Zayn fans first, 1D fans distant second.

Industry support is because she's making them money. But that doesn't mean anything about her the quality of her voice when you've got label people saying 2017 is the year of Demi Lovato. That's why I said it was a ridiculous argument to put forward- any moderately successful act will have people in the industry shilling for them.
 

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I just... How does she inspire any sort of passionate defense or stanning or industry support? She sure as hell isnt a Beyoncé or Justin in a sense that she's just teeming with charisma and star power and talent, and was the obvious STAR from the get-go. She's not particularly an amazing singer, isn't an amazing dancer, and didn't come from a group with the same cultural grip/presence as Destiny's Child or N'Sync. I just don't see how this illicites more than a shrug or a sigh. Expect better from your solo breakouts, people.

I cosign this.

I could say the same about 5H but they are a girl group and this is Popjustice so that's a foregone conclusion.
 
I mean, one could ask why she inspires any of the passionate attacks we've seen here over the past couple of days as well. The thing that's really confusing is how aggression against her is taken as perfectly normal and/or the default stance, but someone speaks in her favour and it becomes this mind-boggling mystery. It's all quite transparent, but, you know, cool.
 

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I mean, one could ask why she inspires any of the passionate attacks we've seen here over the past couple of days as well. The thing that's really confusing is how aggression against her is taken as perfectly normal and/or the default stance, but someone speaks in her favour and it becomes this mind-boggling mystery. It's all quite transparent, but, you know, cool.
Ha, you're right. Passion against someone with multiple moments of racist and self-centered behavior is completely bizarre and unusual. No wonder Iggy's still topping the charts!

(And true! It definitely is cool to live in a day and age where people don't let people who are supposedly "meant to be stars" get away with problematic and fucked up behavior. Deal with it!)
 

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I mean, one could ask why she inspires any of the passionate attacks we've seen here over the past couple of days as well. The thing that's really confusing is how aggression against her is taken as perfectly normal and/or the default stance, but someone speaks in her favour and it becomes this mind-boggling mystery. It's all quite transparent, but, you know, cool.

I don't like her voice. You sure got me.
 
Ha, you're right. Passion against someone with multiple moments of racist and self-centered behavior is completely bizarre and unusual. No wonder Iggy's still topping the charts!

(And true! It definitely is cool to live in a day and age where people don't let people who are supposedly "meant to be stars" get away with problematic and fucked up behavior. Deal with it!)

Wow. Exclamation marks too.
Heh, I know nothing about Camila Cabello being racist but if that's the case, that's one thing - though, your post is enough to make me doubt it, judging by your attempt to buttress your point by adding "self-centred". Which, by the way... what? Self-centred behaviour? Really? Since when do people chase music careers for altruistic reasons? Besides the fact, being self-centred is inherent to getting in the music business and/or trying to be famous at all, caring about that behaviour on her part would mean it affects you somehow, or affects people you care about. In which case, one could ask what it is about Fifth Harmony that inspires your passionate concern? But I sense you're after an argument, so stop.

I don't like her voice. You sure got me.

Who are you and why would I be trying to "get" you to begin with? You can stop too.
 

ohnostalgia

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Who are you and why would I be trying to "get" you to begin with? You can stop too.

A person posting in the Camila thread? That you're "calling out?" Or did you just make a post about the hypothetical passionate agression here and not expect any response?
 
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A person posting in the Camila thread? That you're "calling out?" Or did you just make a post about the hypothetical passionate agression here and not expect any response?

But why would I be calling you out? I "made a post about the passionate aggression," not you. How does that equal calling you out? Is your existence the embodiment of passionate aggression against Camila Cabello? It brings me back to my original question - who are you?

But I mean, this fight you're looking for, you're not going to get here. So you can go square up elsewhere, or, you know, just stop.
 
All these former girl/boy group solo member-who-leaves-first threads unfold the same (except with Zayn it wasn't his rank tone/voice under fire, it was the whole lack of stage presence, shitty popstar performance abilities blah blah).
Anyway, I'm lowkey curious to see how she'll reinvent herself this era. Not that she's known enough to warrant a reinvention but she's got to set herself apart somehow and it's harder for me to see how she'll do that in a sea of Hailees, Duas, Bebes, Zaras, Tinashes, Marens, Halseys, Lordes, Melanies, Alessias and whoever else (much harder than it was Zayn to set himself slightly apart from the Brothers Jonii, Shawn, Justin, Austin, and the like, for comparison's sake, I feel).
 

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But why would I be calling you out? I "made a post about the passionate aggression," not you. How does that equal calling you out? Is your existence the embodiment of passionate aggression against Camila Cabello? It brings me back to my original question - who are you?

But I mean, this fight you're looking for, you're not going to get here. So you can go square up elsewhere, or, you know, just stop.

Your use of bold sure screams "I don't want to fight." You're hilarious.
 

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There was also that time she tweeted about Latin girls sticking together instead of really coming after the racist fans attacking Normani in her name. Probably also included in @Mr.Arroz's post.
 
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