COMPLETE GARBAGE: The Discography Rate (WINNER!)

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OH MY GOD at the So Like a Rose elimination (yeah I'm catching up now). I wasn't aware that @Andy French militantly expecting everyone to score it highly was out of real fear for it. I thought it was dead cert for Top 10...I'm confused. It's incredible.

Most of the songs gone in the last group have been my absolute lowest scores so I can't be too upset overall with how things are going.

Here's my lowest left (all 6s and 7s mind you)

Supervixen
Vow
Temptation Waits
Shut Your Mouth
Cup of Coffee
Why Do You Love Me
Even Though Our Love is Doomed
The World Is Not Enough
 
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That's a pretty incredible top 30. I guess I'd lose I Hate Love next.

This was also in the running for my 11, but I think its time is nearly up.

I'm with @blissteria on So Like A Rose as well. Six minutes of virtually nothing. Dreadful song. Soooo much worse than most of the BG b-sides that went ages ago. I used to have a BG playlist where the album ended with Drive You Home (the truly great ballad on the album), and So Like A Rose, Silence Is Golden, Can't Cry These Tears and Cup Of Coffee were replaced with Enough Is Never Enough, Begging Bone, Sex Never Goes Out Of Fashion and Confidence. That made the album practically as good as the first two.
 
So Like A Rose has produced such venom! I did lose a 10 straight afterwards though so, karma I guess?

It's a great top 29 although I'm really surprised that Tell Me Where It Hurts is still in. It's my lowest scoring song left and it really needs to go.
 
Oooft, I've just realised that I've got 12 tens still in and my 11. Cup of Coffee and When I Grow Up are my lowest scores left so i guess they can go.
 
I Hate Love and the Strange Little Birds tracks are the only things I'm not sure deserve Top 30.
Funny you should mention this...

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I HATE LOVE
AVERAGE SCORE: 8.074
HIGHEST SCORE: 10 x 6 (@A&E, @Andy French, @bichard, @digitalkaiser, @enjoy, @GimmeWork)
LOWEST SCORE: 5 x 1 (@Epic Chocolat)


Not Your Kind Of People track I Hate Love started out as a ballad conceived by Butch and Shirley with Butch joking that, "I hate love is probably one of Shirley's favourite themes". They brought it to the studio and the group started rewriting and reworking parts. Duke said of the original version, "for a time it was a slow, moody ballad - and could still serve as that", but deciding that the album already had too many slow songs, they sped it up. Rather than start from scratch they used a plug-in and then added additional guitars and keyboards.

Of what the song is about Shirley said, "it's about that universal feeling I think we all have, when we love something that doesn't love us back. Love someone...or something that doesn't love us back. When I wrote it, it took me right back to all these feelings I had when I was younger. Before I met somebody wonderful."

For Valentine's Day 2012, the band asked fans to submit artwork...

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...relating to I Hate Love which they then made into a slideshow video backed by the track:



When thinking about which songs would do well, I honestly wasn't expecting I Hate Love to end up the third highest rated track from Not Your Kind Of People. But this rate has been nothing but unpredictable, given what a mercurial bunch you all are.

@GimmeWork: This song has that epic movie score, techno rock, quality build-up that Garbage does so well and gets me everytime! 10 for sure!

@Sprockrooster: Great instrumental. Beautiful instrumental.

@sfmartin: Another great track, but only what you'd expect from a band that had been missing in action for 7 years. This is like a heavy xenomania production, which of course is amazing. The lyrics of I hate love are a bit childish for grown up Garbage but I can't be mad when it taps into that internalised destructive spirit they so effortlessly capitalised on in my youth.

@digitalkaiser: This has a great ‘the world is not enough’ dramatic vibe to it, I always loose myself to this song. Yas shirley give that anti-love anthem that I need.

@magictreehouse: I love the loop that starts this. It’s pure 1995 Garbage

@A&E: A lost single and the best track on the album by far. I imagine the voicemail snippet at the end was included by their mixing engineer and it’s Shirley trying to contact them about the shitty mixing job they’d done.

@constantino: Same, sis. I appreciate that there is SOME grit in the production here, it makes it a total standout on this album.



 
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RUN BABY RUN
AVERAGE SCORE: 8.076
HIGHEST SCORE: 10 x 7 (@Andy French, @bichard, @constantino, @digitalkaiser, @GimmeWork, @Robsolete, @tylerc904)
LOWEST SCORE: 2.5 x 1 (@Ray)


The struggle is real! Run Baby Run from Bleed Like Me was a song that came from an idea Duke brought in to the studio and took a LOT out of the band to actually finish with Butch admitting in interviews that, "three of four of the songs were very hard work, very difficult to make happen. Run Baby Run is one that springs to mind that we really laboured over". Garbage were happy with the chorus (which is still the best part of the song and possibly the album), but completely rewrote the original verses, lyrics and melody. It was one of the last songs to be finished on the album.

Buoyed by the success of Why Do You Love Me and the parent album, Run Baby Run was chosen to be released as a single in mainland Europe, Australia and the UK and in trying to make sense of the release schedule, it seems a bit of a mess compounded by its swift cancellation when the band announced they were also going on hiatus following the cancellation of the final leg of the Bleed Like Me tour.

A music video was filmed over a weekend, directed by Sophie Muller and isn't much of an event to be honest. Perhaps tellingly of the mood in the band at this time, none of the boys make an appearance in it which just sees Shirley in a variety of different outfits and situations, such as shoplifting, eating a bag of chips, riding a train and then gyrating in the clerb.

@GimmeWork: This song just makes me happy and makes me think of the spring time and running late to class.

@sfmartin: It's good but too mainstream and predictable. In 2005 everyone was doing songs like this, which is not what I come to Garbage for.

@digitalkaiser: I feel like this is one of the most Euphoric songs they’ve ever done, and it’s going to be done so wrong. Those soaring guitars, ugh my heart.

@magictreehouse: Although they pared back the production on Bleed Like Me it was quite a relief that the album was absolutely bubbling over with hooks. There is some super catchy stuff on this album and this song was always one of my favourites.

@ohnoitisnathan: I think my problem with all the singles from this era is that... they're not bad, but they're not great either.

@Ray: Well this section of the rate is a good reminder why I never feel the need to play Bleed Like Me.

@Epic Chocolat: A fine pop/rock single.

@constantino: This is so melodic and rich - I’m living. THE FUCKING KEY CHANGE FOR THE LAST CHORUS THO. This is giving me some Josh Homme teas and I am not mad about it in the slightest.



 
I Hate Love... like a little russian disco, it's one of my favourites but I always forget it exists. I just wish that outro got bigger and bigger than it already does. I'd just LOSE IT if they played this as a show I was at. The random performance of I Hate Love on The Tonight Show is brilliant. Shirley just kills it with that vocal and the band are on fire.



Run Baby Run... my baby. I LIVE for that gear-change, especially because it comes in on the return to chorus rather than outro. I adore the video, and I get a kick out of spotting the locations whenever I'm in Paris (and I presume I'll be tragic enough to do the same when I get to visit Berlin or Istanbul). Also the song that got me into The Cure, after a review compared the verse melody to them. There's a live performance of this in Triste, Italy around the 01:24 mark where the camera catches a shot of Shirley with her back to the crowd and dusk horizon and it's just GLORIOUS.



I always feel like this one was done a great disservice, and being sent to music TV in the UK, then quietly withdrawn and cancelled was the moment that the reality of the band going on hiatus hit home (the tour cancel put me in denial for a while). TRIVIA: there's an unreleased BLM track called GUILTY which was supposed to be the b-side to RBR in the UK. It was registered with BMI just before the single got cancelled.
 
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I Hate Love is probably my favourite song on NYKOP. Like @magictreehouse said, it's totally reminiscent of their imperial 95-99 period, that loop sample in particular. I'd have loved there to have been more songs sonically similar to this on the comeback album (that goth-dance thing they perfected on V2), but alas this had to suffice! Along with Automatic Systematic Habit, it stood out as the most single-worthy song on the album, aside from the twin transatlantic leads, but alas, neither were to come to fruition!

And thanks @heartmightmelt for posting that live video. I've never seen it live before, and that performance is fucking ace.

Run Baby Run...well, I didn't rate it back in 2005 and kind of filed it in my head alongside the other dull, straightforward rock wankery tracks on the album like Right Between The Eyes and Bad Boyfriend. But over time that wonderful melody and its propulsive quality won me over, it now being one of my favourites on the album and an easy 10/10. Really, this should have followed WDYLM as second BLM single in the U.K. as well as Europe and Australia. In what world is Sex Is Not The Enemy a better song than this? Back-to-front world, that's where.
 
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Good morning everyone! What better way to start a new day than with a new elimination.




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Don’t look back and don’t give up...











Cup Of Coffee is mediocre at best. That can eff off.














...and I just had to look away.



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CUP OF COVFEFE
AVERAGE SCORE: 8.093
HIGHEST SCORE: 11 x 1 (@A&E), 10 x 8 (@Andy French, @etienne, @JamesJupiter, @marie_05, @NecessaryVoodoo, @nikkysan, @Oleander, @tylerc904)
LOWEST SCORE: 5 x 2 (@digitalkaiser, @Robsolete)



The opening chiming piano of Cup of Coffee is followed by a mournful theremin, setting a quite funereal mood. And do we have a funeral here, a funeral of my 11!!!


As I have been picked to lead the ceremony, let me start from the beginning. The piano motif laid the foundation for the song and here’s how Butch and Shirley describe the process:


Butch: “Some things [on beautifulgarbage] came really quick like Cup of Coffee, Duke had this little piano thing and Shirley goes ‘I think I’ve got some lyrics scribbled down here’, and then all of a sudden it became a song. Like... in 15 minutes!” C’mon, Shirl! “It started out in the studio as a slightly orchestral thing with vocals and then it went through about 15 changes. It was originally going to be, like, outdoor French cafe sounding, which it probably could have been.” Thank fuck it didn’t end up that way. Apparently it also was originally titled “Over a Cup of Coffee” but that doesn’t really roll off your tongue, now does it.

Shirley: “I’d had the first line in my head for a while and when Duke played this piano sequence, I just focused on how it felt when somebody broke up with me and it all came tumbling out.” Wow queen.


Now let us share our collective memories of the departed.


@Sprockrooster is all ‘they had us in the first half i’m not gonna lie’: “This starts off so good, but it kind of crashes halfway and it becomes a bit yawny in the process.” That’s because you ordered decaf my dear! @AshleyKerwin's order is different: “This came so early in the album? I never realized that. I think this song is vastly underrated because of the album it’s on. It fits perfectly with Milk and You Look So Fine.” Umm yes with Milk and extra Sugar please! Meanwhile @tylerc904 prefers his coffee pitch black: “Dark and depressing, yet ultimately super satisfying.” Fukin derk is my favourite genre. Why do I, a person with depression and an array of other accompanying disorders, have such an affinity for songs that channel the worst feelings? We might never know.


@digitalkaiser doesn’t like to reminisce lest he end up with Windows XP on his laptop, trying to fire up Internet Explorer to check out Comeback Corner: “I have some memories with this song, but this feels unessential here.” Oh dear, don’t tell me you forgot to put the k-cup in the Keurig again? Here, have this–
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@magictreehouse holds a different opinion: “There are some cracking ballads on beautifulgarbage aren’t there?”
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@Oleander bows down to the queen: “Tug at my heart a bit, Shirley. One of the contenders for my 11.” Shirl’s delivery switching between fragile and full-on distraught is what makes this song so powerful, in another’s hands it could have ended up overly melodramatic. @etienne picked up on the extremes: “I love this. The I smoke your brand of cigarettes lyric – just on the edge and haunting.” I feel a lump in my throat every time during the I’m looking far too skinny, I stopped returning all their calls part (partly because it was painfully relatable a good number of times).


@Robsolete did not comment on their score but I will:
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...okay, where were we? @constantino praises the arrangement: “The violin really makes this for me. Gorgeous.” I really love the subtle cellos but the mellotron-esque processed strings are a particularly fitting touch, amplifying the harrowing story’s impact. @sfmartin elaborates: “Heartbreaking. What vivid lyrics and such a powerful and convincing narrative. I love every sentiment in this song and speaks to my soul. I even love the really awkward strings in the instrumental, like feelings being pulled in so many different directions.” Yes, again, the lyrics are truly masterful, capturing that loneliness that comes with rejection and turning it up to 11. Also, take the opening line You said that you don’t love me over a cup of coffee which in the end turns into It took a cup of coffee to prove that you don’t love me, as if subconsciously trying to detach the person from their actions. Incredible.




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