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COMPLETE - The Indie/Alt Pop/Not-quite-'Mainstream'-but-still-accessible Girls 2017 Rate!!1
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Little Of Your Love is the worst song on the album y’all. Nothing’s Wrong is sooooo good what the fuck.
It’s sad to see Charli punished for being the best artist in the rate!
Jealousy is a disease people!
Jealousy is a disease people!
The Extras remain unbothered for another day I see.
(TIE) 67. Lydia Ainsworth - The Road
Average: 7.20
High: 11 x 1 (@Serg.) 10 x 10 (@enjoy @LE0Night @Petty Mayonnaise @Kuhleezi @ohnostalgia @Jonathan27 @NecessaryVoodoo @RUNAWAY @A&E) - what a group!
Low: 3 x 1 (@Euphoria)
My score: 10
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Rather than rant about how 'y'all did this wrong', I'm gonna appreciate how well this little song did by beating out tracks you lot are far more familiar with. This is one of the more abstract Extras in the rate and for that I totally expected it to be one of the first 10 out...but it ended up snatching ten 10s, an 11 and a highly respectable 7.2 average. It is worth noting that even when higher up in the leaderboard, it had a much lower average than what it ended up with - in fact, in it's peak position of #53, it still had an average of 7.2. Side note: it's a bit iconic that @Serg.'s 11 and a song he was the lowest scorer for were tied.
Looking at the commentary, this was a new discovery for many and I want to give a special thank you to everyone who let themselves be sIayed by this gorgeous hymn. If you like what you heard, I recommend the parent album Darling of the Afterglow (available to buy and stream NOW!) as well as her incredible and Juno award-winning debut album Right From Real.
This song came out back in January and became the soundtrack to my brief SAD phase before Eurovision season began, so it has a special place in my heart. Like all of Lydia's music, this is etherial and otherworldly, with the icy production adding some extra bite. It is probably her most accessible and poppy track to date (along with the BOP that is 'What Is It?'), and makes me very excited to hear whatever she's planning next. She also served us the first iconic visual of the year, for which she deserves extra brownie points. To top it all off, we had a cute lil twitter chat when the song came out and it was a great start to my year:
Here's what y'all had to say:
happiestgirl (4) better hope that they’re never crossing the road when I’m behind the wheel…This one was not that fun to listen to.
Bleedingheart80 (6): I don't like the tone of her voice and the song is kinda boring. Well I don't like YOUR tone, and your commentary is kinda boring. So there.
Bangers&Bops (7): Dramatic piano chords sustain over dark synths that phase beneath her newly confident voice. A decent bop. Um 'decent', I think the fuck NOT.
sfmartin (7) needs to TRY HARDER: I feel this song might be one that grows, but for the number of times i've listened to it so far, it still doesn't work that well for me.
Michael17 (7): The arrangement is a little drab and lethargic. Her voice is strong and well-layered, but overall the song doesn’t leave much of an impression. You know what will leave an impression? My fist on your face.
And now, let's appreciate the stannage from those with taste:
YAS mokitsu (8) better STAN Miss Ainsworth’s inclusion in the rate! ‘Honestly one of the most memorable songs in this bonus rate. I really like the vocal effects.’ I agree tbh.
Meanwhile Slice of Life (8), like me, stans Lydia's social media game: 'OMG she 'liked' all the comments on this video. Generous queen.' We love a queen who gives back to fans!
Trouble in Paradise (8.5) stans and I’m so proud to see it: This is another grower for sure. The lyrics are crushing and her delivery is somehow both ice queen and bleeding heart.
Kuhleezi (10) stans the excellent parent album: "Channeling a velvet smile". Has an album ever started so beautifully? Even though I kind of cooled down a bit on it since its release, this album remains a masterclass in production (especially vocal), and for that reason alone you should all check it. We love a bit of promo!
Serg energetic dances into my heart by giving this a much-deserved 11, take it away, sis! 'I actually discovered her on PopJustice and for that I thank this forum cause Darling Of The Afterglow is surely in my top 5 albums this year, The Road is a phenomenal song.' It sure is!
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The Road honestly had me in pieces at a random city street light when I first heard it. Y'all can rot.
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Lydia Ainsworth is someone I discovered thanks to PJ and I'm so happy about it. I've been listening to the album a bunch this week and if I were to score "The Road" now it'd be at least a 9, if not a 10. Also "What Is It?" is my go to bop at the moment (along with I assume is a Top 10 placing extra)
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Lydia Ainsworth is a Canadian treasure, how dare you?
'Cause what about all these children?
And what about all their parents?
And what about about all their crowns they wear,
In hair so long like mine?
And what about all their wishes?
Wrapped up like garland roses?
'Round their little heads,
I said a prayer for a third time
66. Lana Del Rey - Coachella (Woodstock On My Mind)
Average: 7.21
High: 11 x 1 (@Jwentz) 10 x 9 (@happiestgirl @Sprockrooster @sfmartin @Jonathan27 @gagapourgaga @digitalkaiser @kalonite @Remyky22)
Low: 0 x 1 (@mokitsu)
My score: 10
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Well, it clung on for 18 eliminations despite calls for it to be out first, but it's finally time for the most underrated Lana song to date to depart the rate. When I was assembling the song list I was convinced that it would be out first (and it got pretty damn close to that fate at one point), but I was pleasantly surprised to see it snatching a decent average, nine 10s and an 11.
The song was first announced on the Arabic streaming service, Anghami, on May 13, 2017 and it was officially released on May 15. Prior to the release, an edited version of the song was leaked online. Originally, it wasn't on Lust For Life and was framed as a pre-release buzz track for the era. Upon release it received almost universally negative reactions from the thread, culminating in an uproar when it was announced as part of the track list for the album.
I've always adored it and firmly believe it to be one of Lana's best songs lyrically. On the surface, this is an ignorant ode to wealthy white women who's fun might be disrupted by a lil' nuke or two, and how much of a shame it would be if weapons of mass destruction stopped them for inheriting their parents' wealth and having more pretty rich white children. I personally give Lana far more credit than that; she is fully aware of her USP and core fanbase (aside from Brazilian hunties) - white girls wearing tragic flower crowns. I find this to be hilariously self-aware in its sheer reach of comparing Coachella to Woodstock, complete with the full-on Helen Lovejoy 'won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!1' teas. Like c'mon guys, it's not like this is some 'Song for Africa' bullshit, which would've been way more insincere. It's a silly song within the context of a terrifying [and ongoing, welp] real-world crisis; it sees Lana in a light we haven't seen before - referencing the past whilst staying firmly in the present and fearing for the future.
It's not just the lyrics that I love about this; I also find this to be one of the most dynamic and structurally-interesting song she's ever done. I find myself utterly transfixed as soon as the droning and distorted production crashes in, especially with the non-existent intro bringing Lana's vocals in straight away. The chorus sees Lana crooning over a dirty, sedate trap beat, making it the logical continuation of the Summer Bummer-Groupie Love duo. There's something almost rusty about the production, as if Lana is singing from within the bunker - which is pretty fierce. The song progresses into a huge climax of soaring choral vocals, intensifying production and crescendos as it takes a surreal borderline Christian-Rock turn - and I kinda live for the dramatics of it all.
It's also pretty reassuring to know that I wasn't the only person SHITTING themselves this summer when the front pages of pretty much every newspaper was acting like the apocalypse was coming that week. I got so anxious that I quit Twitter after 5 years of daily usage and haven't gone back on properly since ddd. Lana wrote the song and posted a video of herself on Instagram singing a snippet of it on April 17, 2017. She recorded the video as she was leaving the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in California, and she captioned the video saying:
"I'm not gonna lie- I had complex feelings about spending the weekend dancing whilst watching tensions w North Korea mount. I find It's a tightrope between being vigilantly observant of everything going on in the world and also having enough space and time to appreciate God's good earth the way it was intended to be appreciated. On my way home I found myself compelled to visit an old favorite place of mine at the rim of the world highway where I took a moment to sit down by the sequoia grove and write a little song. I just wanted to share this in hopes that one individual's hope and prayer for peace might contribute to the possibility of it in the long run. Hope everyone has a nice day, with love from California".
After the song was officially released worldwide, Del Rey posted a note on social media about the song that said: "What a blessing it is to make music in general. And to have the freedom to put songs out about things that move me in real time. I wrote one this last month on my way back from Coachella. Thank you to my producer and engineers for fixing it up so quickly. Hope you like it"
To top it all of, this song reminds me of potentially my favourite news story of 2017 - the Fyre festival scandal in which a bunch of snotty, entitled wannabe 'internet personalities' and 'social media influencers' paid up to $12,000 dollars to be stranded on a wasteland in the middle of the Caribbean with no clean water or Starbucks. Iconic. Honestly, truly.
Okay, that was easily my longest write up to date, but I just have a lot of feelings, okay?? Now let's hear what you lot had to say:
Hatin’ ass mokitsu (0) does what he does best...hate: ‘This is probably Lana's worst song by a mile. It's a mess and I can't pinpoint exactly what I dislike about it but it's just nails on a chalkboard.’ The most annoying part is that I can’t produce a name for the worst Lana song because I stan everything she’s ever done...I dunno...something from Paradise, maybe??
Stradiwhovius (2) misses the mark: Really feels like she's parodying herself at this point. That's literally the point.
GimmeWork's (2) brain also missed a trick: White noise. White non-sense. You want to be a flower child of the 60’s Lana, we get it! But you are severely out of touch or on some really good drugs if a hipster, celebrity ridden annual music festival reminds you of one of the defining moments of the counter culture movement in the 60’s.
Cassava (5), again, takes it way too literally: There are a couple moments in this that make me smile and a couple that make me cringe but ultimately I just don’t buy it for a minute that she would trade it all— this is a conceit popstars use that I always find rings false. We all know anyone in the spotlight has traded a lot for it.
Trouble in Paradise (6) echoes my praise with a far lower score...The concept of this song feels like a Lana parody and it’s impressive how well she pulls it all off. I like how she takes on a more global/political view while still basing it in her songwriting style.
Bleedingheart80 (7) does far less analysis of the song's elaborate message and theme: I prefer the songs with a beat so this one gets a 7. Fair enough.
Ufint (7.5) makes two mistakes in their commentary, first, calling it 'a typical Lana song' and secondly accusing Lana of moving 'a step backwards as I think it would have blended perfectly with the songs from Ultraviolence' I agree that the muddy production would potentially fit, but the theme and the lyrics is Lust For Life through-and-through.
Bangers&Bops (8), once again, makes the point I was trying to make for multiple paragraphs a lot more concisely: Although some of you might roll your eyes (or, for the purists, openly gasp) at the comparison of Woodstock to Coachella, Del Rey makes a point here about the power and atmosphere of music festivals, and the kind of communities we should all enjoy. When you think about the fact that this song was written amid the backdrop of impending nuclear threat, it becomes an uplifting beacon of hope, a snapshot of joy in the middle of trying times.
Kalonite (9) also lives for Lana's trollin': I mostly love this for the meltdown the title gave everyone. And the gorls are STILL pressed, hunty!
Michael17 (9) accurately calls it 'by far the most underrated song on the album. Has a nice, breezy sound. I’ll admit the lyrics are a bit awkward to me, though. Sounds great in the car. Good bass. The ending is nice and light, in contrast to some of the earlier songs which sound very heavy and laboured.'
Gagapourgaga (10) calls it a ‘career high’ for Lana, and I can only agree.
Mess at Sprockrooster (10) showing half of you up: I was always a big fan of this and very glad it was put on the album (as it was not clear during pre-release era). I have played down the amount of times I listen to this, but never it feels like dull and a refreshing feeling becomes me every play.
happiestgirl (10) wasn’t sold at first, but thankfully they came around eventually: I, like everyone else, did not like this song much when it came out, but it fits so well in the context of the album, it’s just so dreamy and is such an amazing bridge between the two album halves.
sfmartin (10) also puts the haters to shame: I, like many, was a bit unsure of this at first. But when it came on I never once skipped it. It's melodies are strong, and the production is also impressive, all deep plungey fuzzy bass swirling round and round like a vortex in the album where it takes a leap into a very different second half, very introspective and insightful. The last minute is superb.
We close with the wonderful Jwentz (11), whose commentary I hope will bring some of you around:
From the first listen I sent this song to my friend and immediately announced it as the best song of her career and I still maintain that today. In a year of social commentary in music no one would have thought Lana in her lexicon of daddies, red dresses and pale moonlights could chime in without falling on her ass. Yet here she is simply recounting her feelings as she found out about the possible escalation of nuclear war. It's slight and almost sounds freestyled but she effortlessly ties in her little world crashing down with the state of the world, and in doing so breaks the box people put her in by expanding the subjects she could sing about and perfectly introducing the album that would further the expansion of her universe into something different.
Whew! We love a bit of tea, don’t we ladies?
And what about all their parents?
And what about about all their crowns they wear,
In hair so long like mine?
And what about all their wishes?
Wrapped up like garland roses?
'Round their little heads,
I said a prayer for a third time
66. Lana Del Rey - Coachella (Woodstock On My Mind)
Average: 7.21
High: 11 x 1 (@Jwentz) 10 x 9 (@happiestgirl @Sprockrooster @sfmartin @Jonathan27 @gagapourgaga @digitalkaiser @kalonite @Remyky22)
Low: 0 x 1 (@mokitsu)
My score: 10
10 voters in: 68
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40 voters in: 69
50 voters in: 65
60 voters in: 66
Well, it clung on for 18 eliminations despite calls for it to be out first, but it's finally time for the most underrated Lana song to date to depart the rate. When I was assembling the song list I was convinced that it would be out first (and it got pretty damn close to that fate at one point), but I was pleasantly surprised to see it snatching a decent average, nine 10s and an 11.
The song was first announced on the Arabic streaming service, Anghami, on May 13, 2017 and it was officially released on May 15. Prior to the release, an edited version of the song was leaked online. Originally, it wasn't on Lust For Life and was framed as a pre-release buzz track for the era. Upon release it received almost universally negative reactions from the thread, culminating in an uproar when it was announced as part of the track list for the album.
I've always adored it and firmly believe it to be one of Lana's best songs lyrically. On the surface, this is an ignorant ode to wealthy white women who's fun might be disrupted by a lil' nuke or two, and how much of a shame it would be if weapons of mass destruction stopped them for inheriting their parents' wealth and having more pretty rich white children. I personally give Lana far more credit than that; she is fully aware of her USP and core fanbase (aside from Brazilian hunties) - white girls wearing tragic flower crowns. I find this to be hilariously self-aware in its sheer reach of comparing Coachella to Woodstock, complete with the full-on Helen Lovejoy 'won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!1' teas. Like c'mon guys, it's not like this is some 'Song for Africa' bullshit, which would've been way more insincere. It's a silly song within the context of a terrifying [and ongoing, welp] real-world crisis; it sees Lana in a light we haven't seen before - referencing the past whilst staying firmly in the present and fearing for the future.
It's not just the lyrics that I love about this; I also find this to be one of the most dynamic and structurally-interesting song she's ever done. I find myself utterly transfixed as soon as the droning and distorted production crashes in, especially with the non-existent intro bringing Lana's vocals in straight away. The chorus sees Lana crooning over a dirty, sedate trap beat, making it the logical continuation of the Summer Bummer-Groupie Love duo. There's something almost rusty about the production, as if Lana is singing from within the bunker - which is pretty fierce. The song progresses into a huge climax of soaring choral vocals, intensifying production and crescendos as it takes a surreal borderline Christian-Rock turn - and I kinda live for the dramatics of it all.
It's also pretty reassuring to know that I wasn't the only person SHITTING themselves this summer when the front pages of pretty much every newspaper was acting like the apocalypse was coming that week. I got so anxious that I quit Twitter after 5 years of daily usage and haven't gone back on properly since ddd. Lana wrote the song and posted a video of herself on Instagram singing a snippet of it on April 17, 2017. She recorded the video as she was leaving the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in California, and she captioned the video saying:
"I'm not gonna lie- I had complex feelings about spending the weekend dancing whilst watching tensions w North Korea mount. I find It's a tightrope between being vigilantly observant of everything going on in the world and also having enough space and time to appreciate God's good earth the way it was intended to be appreciated. On my way home I found myself compelled to visit an old favorite place of mine at the rim of the world highway where I took a moment to sit down by the sequoia grove and write a little song. I just wanted to share this in hopes that one individual's hope and prayer for peace might contribute to the possibility of it in the long run. Hope everyone has a nice day, with love from California".
After the song was officially released worldwide, Del Rey posted a note on social media about the song that said: "What a blessing it is to make music in general. And to have the freedom to put songs out about things that move me in real time. I wrote one this last month on my way back from Coachella. Thank you to my producer and engineers for fixing it up so quickly. Hope you like it"
To top it all of, this song reminds me of potentially my favourite news story of 2017 - the Fyre festival scandal in which a bunch of snotty, entitled wannabe 'internet personalities' and 'social media influencers' paid up to $12,000 dollars to be stranded on a wasteland in the middle of the Caribbean with no clean water or Starbucks. Iconic. Honestly, truly.
Okay, that was easily my longest write up to date, but I just have a lot of feelings, okay?? Now let's hear what you lot had to say:
Hatin’ ass mokitsu (0) does what he does best...hate: ‘This is probably Lana's worst song by a mile. It's a mess and I can't pinpoint exactly what I dislike about it but it's just nails on a chalkboard.’ The most annoying part is that I can’t produce a name for the worst Lana song because I stan everything she’s ever done...I dunno...something from Paradise, maybe??
Stradiwhovius (2) misses the mark: Really feels like she's parodying herself at this point. That's literally the point.
GimmeWork's (2) brain also missed a trick: White noise. White non-sense. You want to be a flower child of the 60’s Lana, we get it! But you are severely out of touch or on some really good drugs if a hipster, celebrity ridden annual music festival reminds you of one of the defining moments of the counter culture movement in the 60’s.
Cassava (5), again, takes it way too literally: There are a couple moments in this that make me smile and a couple that make me cringe but ultimately I just don’t buy it for a minute that she would trade it all— this is a conceit popstars use that I always find rings false. We all know anyone in the spotlight has traded a lot for it.
Trouble in Paradise (6) echoes my praise with a far lower score...The concept of this song feels like a Lana parody and it’s impressive how well she pulls it all off. I like how she takes on a more global/political view while still basing it in her songwriting style.
Bleedingheart80 (7) does far less analysis of the song's elaborate message and theme: I prefer the songs with a beat so this one gets a 7. Fair enough.
Ufint (7.5) makes two mistakes in their commentary, first, calling it 'a typical Lana song' and secondly accusing Lana of moving 'a step backwards as I think it would have blended perfectly with the songs from Ultraviolence' I agree that the muddy production would potentially fit, but the theme and the lyrics is Lust For Life through-and-through.
Bangers&Bops (8), once again, makes the point I was trying to make for multiple paragraphs a lot more concisely: Although some of you might roll your eyes (or, for the purists, openly gasp) at the comparison of Woodstock to Coachella, Del Rey makes a point here about the power and atmosphere of music festivals, and the kind of communities we should all enjoy. When you think about the fact that this song was written amid the backdrop of impending nuclear threat, it becomes an uplifting beacon of hope, a snapshot of joy in the middle of trying times.
Kalonite (9) also lives for Lana's trollin': I mostly love this for the meltdown the title gave everyone. And the gorls are STILL pressed, hunty!
Michael17 (9) accurately calls it 'by far the most underrated song on the album. Has a nice, breezy sound. I’ll admit the lyrics are a bit awkward to me, though. Sounds great in the car. Good bass. The ending is nice and light, in contrast to some of the earlier songs which sound very heavy and laboured.'
Gagapourgaga (10) calls it a ‘career high’ for Lana, and I can only agree.
Mess at Sprockrooster (10) showing half of you up: I was always a big fan of this and very glad it was put on the album (as it was not clear during pre-release era). I have played down the amount of times I listen to this, but never it feels like dull and a refreshing feeling becomes me every play.
happiestgirl (10) wasn’t sold at first, but thankfully they came around eventually: I, like everyone else, did not like this song much when it came out, but it fits so well in the context of the album, it’s just so dreamy and is such an amazing bridge between the two album halves.
sfmartin (10) also puts the haters to shame: I, like many, was a bit unsure of this at first. But when it came on I never once skipped it. It's melodies are strong, and the production is also impressive, all deep plungey fuzzy bass swirling round and round like a vortex in the album where it takes a leap into a very different second half, very introspective and insightful. The last minute is superb.
We close with the wonderful Jwentz (11), whose commentary I hope will bring some of you around:
From the first listen I sent this song to my friend and immediately announced it as the best song of her career and I still maintain that today. In a year of social commentary in music no one would have thought Lana in her lexicon of daddies, red dresses and pale moonlights could chime in without falling on her ass. Yet here she is simply recounting her feelings as she found out about the possible escalation of nuclear war. It's slight and almost sounds freestyled but she effortlessly ties in her little world crashing down with the state of the world, and in doing so breaks the box people put her in by expanding the subjects she could sing about and perfectly introducing the album that would further the expansion of her universe into something different.
Whew! We love a bit of tea, don’t we ladies?
He/Him
Why the fuck do I keep seeing people coming for 3AM?
Do you y'all hate GIGANTIC choruses? Do you y'all hate immaculate production? Have y'all not had the pleasure of blasting and belting it drunk as shit with your friends at 3AM after night out?
I'll pray for you all.
Do you y'all hate GIGANTIC choruses? Do you y'all hate immaculate production? Have y'all not had the pleasure of blasting and belting it drunk as shit with your friends at 3AM after night out?
I'll pray for you all.
Any/All
You people are insane. Coachella is MASSIVE, the outro is literally the sound of being taken to the Heavens while the angels herald the second coming of Jesus in the form of Lana Del Rey. And I don't even want to start about the issue of the song's lyrics, because it's pretty obvious that the whole era is built on Lana being perfectly aware of the myth surrounding her and twisting it to create the best music she has ever done. You somehow managing to miss the point of it even when listening to it in the context of its album is far more problematic than her comparing Coachella to Woodstock.
I’m actually so shocked, I had no idea Coachella was so divisive. I hope all you haters will one day learn to love it and find happiness.
3 of you will be losing your 11 very shortly...