I’m back on tinder and hinge hehe X
I would say it’s good that you have your boundaries and stick to them, kudos to you! That is worth so much more.I think I might have posted about this before but just curious to bring it up again for more advice. I was seeing a guy for a few weeks it was only about 4 dates but fizzled out with his reasoning being he didnt feel the romance he needed for a relationship. I think he wanted more of a sexual thing from the start. On the first date he offered to go back to his for coffee. On the second date he came to me and again asked to go back to mine for a coffee again. Both times I said no not this time. I explained that I am always very awkward and slow to start anything physical on a date be it sex or even just a kiss. Its something I do need to work on to be more physical and open on dates but I think sleeping with someone after two dates is something I just would never be comfortable with because I catch feelings too easily. I have tried a lot more lately to be more physical with friends and family a kiss or a hug whenever I see them. I am becoming more comfortable with them and showing that kind of affection its just for whatever reason on a date I freeze up and cant be comfortable to be physical even if its just a kiss or a hug. Any advice would be great on learning how to be more comfortable with guys on dates
Yeah I'm hoping it will just feel more natural with the right person. I just started overthinking it cause going back over the last few guys I went on dates with I think this is a reoccurring problem I'm not physical enough and they lose interestI would say it’s good that you have your boundaries and stick to them, kudos to you! That is worth so much more.
A kiss or a hug can be something big in public, maybe you’ll grow more comfortable with them or maybe not - which I all fine! I think it depends more on the person and if you know someone longer, you’ll be more comfortable with it.
I find most of the time I have a date with someone and we have sex in the first 3 dates, they (or I sometimes) lose interest - like it’s a thing to be checked-off and then not continue working on something serious.
It’s the deadly boredom and lack of meaningful (any) sex for me. I have a best friend I spend much of my free time with—and I’m very grateful for her!—but it would be nice to have someone I could form another kind of special relationship with. That just sounds like fun to me.
It’s the fact that if you try to deviate from this and bring up a different subject/actually get to know the person it’s almost frowned upon or ignored by the guys I speak to, so I’m in an endless cycle of basic ‘how are you/upto much’ that fizzles out after a day or so.But at the same time I find small talk on the apps so boring and tedious so I often never get past that stage.
My latest update has been delayed because it's been a bit of a dry spell for me, it feels. Sad, but true. I've come to learn that these things move in waves, and I'm just at a lower point currently. Never heard back from any of my earlier first dates, and have been quickly reminded how men love the art of ghosting (including one who ended things with a 'let me check my calendar' to set up a second date before eventually showing up at an award show afterparty hosted by my company - knowing full well I work there and would also be present - and not saying a word, and another who has actively avoided me at multiple work/press functions... and here I thought men in their 40s would act more mature). I did have a nice evening at a gay cub last month where I found myself making out with a cute guy as Jessica Simpson's "A Public Affair" came on, which continued through Britney's "Stronger" before he took my number. We texted for a bit, and met up for drinks the following weekend. Ended up being a nice 5-hour evening that saw us grab a meal at one point, and move between 4 or 5 locations. But after some end of night car kissing, I was disappointed that I didn't feel more of a 'spark.' Apparently neither did he, as he immediately fell off the map (as did the actor-nurse I grabbed drinks with a few days later).
However, things may be on the upswing. While I was out with Mr. Public Affair, I ran into another gentleman whom I had been talking to on the Tinder. I messaged him and apologized for not speaking to him because I was on a first date, and we decided to set up a first date of our own at the same bar two week later. We're going to call this man Mr. Tesla, as that is what he pulled up in for said date, and it was a truly lovely night. We talked for hours, grabbed dinner, shared a lot of laughs, and I accepted a ride home in said electric vehicle. Upon arriving, our light kissing quickly escalated into some heavier making out, with him turning up the volume of Taylor Swift's Midnights, lowering my seat the entire way, and jumping on top of me as I could see the stars through the sunroof over his shoulder. A solid 30 minutes passed before we realized a very public street was probably not the best place for this, so we called it a night. We've been talking every day since and are planning on getting together tomorrow night; due to scheduling issues, we're likely just meeting up at a friend of mine's birthday drinks, but I think it'll be nice to hang with him in a social/group setting. While on our first date, I also ran into Mr. Gym, who I've had a crush on for nearly a year. We make small talk in workout classes, have exchanged a couple message on Grindr/Insta, but never done anything about it. Needless to say, after class last night, I brought up our bar run-in and once again apologized for not addressing him as I was on a first date. I then asked if he'd want to grab drinks sometime, and he accepted, saying we should do so next week. So here's hoping Mr. Gym comes through and actually solidifies a spot on the calendar.
Also, we're now 2 weeks out from my San Francisco trip to see Mr. Perfect. I've confirmed with him that he'll be around during that time and that he does, in fact, want to hang out, and I will hold off until next week to secure an actual day/time/activity. I just don't want him to think I'm traveling for him, which is only partially true as I am attending a concert while I'm there and can catch up with a bunch of old college friends I never see, and I'm not expecting anything more than a nice hookup, but we all know I'm really hoping for a remake of the Looking episode where Patrick and Richie Before Sunset their way around The Golden City.
Meanwhile, Mr. New In Town is still around, and it remains as strange as ever. We still hang out weekly, grabbing dinner, getting drinks, going to parties, watching TV on his couch, cuddling, kissing... same as it has been since the start - 6 months ago. The lack of momentum has left he feeling pretty apathetic about it all, and his confusing vibes leave me too lazy to bother doing anything or talking about it with him. His messages/reach outs are sporadic and he doesn't make any effort to move things forward physically (despite him telling me that his recent Miami trip was 'a drug-fueled orgy'). We're basically friends who have very PG-13 benefits. Earlier this week, we went line-dancing with a mutual friend of ours, and it was really our first time hanging out with other people we know. We kissed when we both got out of the car, and we participated in the couples' dances, but I found it telling he didn't get out of the car to get me/see me off, and didn't act terribly affectionate in front of his friends. I enjoy hanging out with him, and we have fun when we're together, so I'm good just accepting it for what it is and leaving it at that while I pursue other things. My feelings have minimized as time has gone on, so I feel comfortable continuing as is.
In the meantime, I'm going to stay excited about the prospects of Mr. Tesla, let the butterflies flutter about knowing Mr. Gym might be interested, and continue romanticizing my forthcoming time with Mr. Perfect.
------------------
Also, The Ex reached out randomly to say he feels he & I have become increasingly disconnected, and that part of it must be because of his new relationship. As a result, he would like me and his new boyfriend to get to a place where we're "more comfortable around each other." Not sure what this stems from, and the disconnect is very real - but also entirely on him. He asked me to get lunch with the two of them, and I accepted mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how it goes. I really thought we were at a decent place - a very surface-level dynamic that, again, has been of his choosing - but clearly he feels differently. At this point, I'm cool with where we are and content with my life without him, so I'll entertain this concept, but I'm certainly not going to be pushing for a closer bond with either of these people. We'll see what transpires, but as we all experience, why is it that the skeletons always pop back up when things are actually going well?
Ok but when is this being greenlit for a six episode miniseries on HBO Max?!It's been a weird couple of weeks, honestly. Had two additional dates with Mr. Tesla, and both of which I thought went wonderfully (him meeting me & my friends at a gay bar before spending the night at my place, and a spontaneous weekend happy hour). He's not really my type, but I genuinely enjoy his company, he seems super genuine/sweet, and is honestly really cute. Cut to a text from him this past Friday afternoon saying he sees this as a 'friendship connection' VS a 'romantic one.' It really caught me off guard and is disappointing as I had just got to place of having feelings for him. That said, the honesty is appreciated and I told him I would genuinely like to attempt pursuing a friendship. We agreed to hang out when my life frees up next week, so we'll see what - if anything - comes of it.
I also had a long talk with Mr. New In Town about where things stand with us considering it's been over 6 months at this point. It was a productive conversation, and basically confirmed all my suspicions that he isn't looking to get into something serious in the next 6 months. He said he really appreciates what we have, and that I've become one of his closest confidants in the city, but that he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize it. We've basically decided to continue as friends with dating/hooking up benefits for the foreseeable future. When I brought up our bizarre lack of physical intimacy, he didn't seem aware that was even a thing, so it was reassuring to know it wasn't intentional. Needless to say, we had a nice hookup after the talk, and I think it'll be good having him around while I continue to play the field.
I had another really nice threesome with The Mr.s and I've really enjoyed having them as my ears for all these dating issues/hijinks. They love weighing in and it's so refreshing getting some wisdom from a married couple. I also went ahead with the lunch with The Ex and his boyfriend, and it was a perfectly pleasant afternoon. He didn't address any of the issues mentioned in his text, and things didn't feel any different than they had in previous hangs, but I did make more of an effort to ask the boyfriend questions. I know I don't owe anyone here anything, but I'm happy to keep these connections in my life. I thought about texting him afterward to say I hope he thought it went well, but I sensibly refrained - and he never brought it up. This is clearly something he needs, making it his problem, and he can reach out to me whenever he'd like to. I don't need to be anymore involved than I already am, and I'm proud of myself for no longer feeling some sort of emotional tie or obligation to him.
Now... I just got back from my weekend in San Francisco, which was my big romantic gesture to potentially hang with Mr. Perfect. After checking in multiple times over the last few months to ensure he'd be around/available this weekend, naturally, he DM'd me the day of my flight to flag that he'll actually be really busy and may even be going out of town - but that he'd "let me know if anything changes, stud." Needless to say, I was heartbroken. He doesn't owe me anything, and there's no way he'd want me to make this trip for him - I’m basically a one-time hookup he’s entertained through DMs for 18 months - but I couldn't help feeling like a right idiot. It didn't help getting that message shortly after hearing the 'friends' forecasts of my other two suitors. That said, the first two days of the trip were still a good time packed with great dinners, seeing an amazing concert, catching up with one of my college besties, and meeting a nice group of gays who invited me to hang with them for a couple different activities (one of whom I went home with on Friday night, and another I made out with on Easter Sunday). All the while, I couldn't help but see that Mr. Perfect was online on Scruff - and at some points so close in proximity that he was now in my 'Nearby' grid - and feel some type of way about it. My romcom/Looking fantasy was entirely dashed, and let's just say I had some beautiful, cathartic tear-filled walks to reflect on that. Basically, I had created a shoulda/woulda/coulda fantasy of this man and what my life could potentially be if I just put in some effort. And well, he clearly doesn't feel the same, and that's fine. I think it's important for me to have a better sense of reality with this situation.
However, around 6pm on Sunday (while I was out drinking in the park with the aforementioned gays, surviving on 1% phone battery), I get a DM from him asking if I'd like to come over that evening. Obviously I DID, so he resent his address and phone number, and I had one of the gays take me to their apartment to charge my phone so it could last the 90 minutes until our eventual meeting at Mr. Perfect's home. The amount of stress/nerves/frustration I felt as I walked to his place was palpable, all the while panicking that I hadn’t had time to go to my hotel room beforehand to prep for the man of my dreams. And while it wasn’t the immediate soulmate catchup I had hoped for, I will say it was 90 of the best minutes of my life (unhinged as that may sound). He opened his door in only his boxers, and I was quickly reminded of his Disney prince good looks. We quickly moved into his bedroom and it truly was one of - if not the - best sexual experiences of my life. I made sure to savor every touch, taste, smell, and never wanted it to end. But alas, as all good things do, we finished and moved on to the living room, standing around in the nude, occasionally kissing and discussing things all good gays do: upcoming travel plans, pets, work, and Carly Rae Jepsen being this generation’s Joni Mitchell. He eventually made it known he needed to get ready for bed, so he saw me out. I apologized for being so eager, which he shrugged off, clearly being just another thing I was in my head about. We had a final kiss, a mutual ‘hit me up if you’re ever in town,’ and I had the biggest grin sprawled across my face as I made the two-mile trek back to my hotel. We texted a bit that night before I passed out in a haze of incredible bliss.
While it’s clear he’s not the long-distance romance of my delusions, I can at least proceed with that newfound understanding and accept his actual role as the hottest occasional hookup I could ever have on my roster, and someone who I may cross paths with every few years. And hey, at least we upgraded from third base to home - as well as from DM to text. I can live with that.
And because fate is a cruel, cruel beast, my messy, unshowered self (a version of me who never intends to engage with a single human while traveling) ran into Mr. Will-They-Won't-They on my flight home. I hadn’t even noticed him on the plane until I looked up and he was standing before me after having left the restroom. We briefly chatted, just saying how tired we both are and he assured me he’d come over before we landed. He didn’t - surprise, surprise - and so I waited for him at the terminal and we walked to baggage claim together, getting caught up for the first time since our NYC hang back in November. He made no effort to ride home with me - or, say, attempt the mile high club - so I think it’s safe to say our decade-long tension is more one-sided than I’d hoped. But him ending on seeing me “was the best surprise” and giving me a big hug was a nice touch.
So here I am continuing to attempt an emotional connection with anyone, and failing miserably. I am proud of myself for really going for it and not letting things fall into the realm of regrets, but I forget how hard these disappointments can be when actual feelings are involved. But I will keep on trucking, knowing there are other fish in the sea - and if nothing else, continued anecdotes to add to the digital pink book.
I need it. Or at least write a book @lushLuck!Ok but when is this being greenlit for a six episode miniseries on HBO Max?!
You've got a case of the butterflies, which I always think is something worth celebrating. Now my advice is to get out of your head and meet this person in person as soon as possible.Totally gonna jinx this now but I got a tinder match this weekend where I actually got instant 'wait.. this feels right?" vibes before we even matched, of course followed by 'crap, a match, now I need to actually do things'.
But while I was chickening out he sent a really nice and proper first message that showed he read my bio and we quickly confirmed we both hate dating, and from there on the things we agree on and are similar in just kept coming (yesterday we deliberately tried to search for differences and it led to more common things??).
And not like 'we like the same food and Netflix shows' but more like wanting the same things out of a relationship (basically just calmth, support and stability, and both needing our fair share of 'me time' but also both knowing we can be very enthusiastic once we really like someone, and both being freaked out by the prospect and both having a tendency to overanalyse but also being very emotional, and in most cases I'd get very suspicious about too much 'no way, me too!!' but it doesn't feel like that this time (plus he's the one freaking out most that this is all a bit too good to be true).
I'm hugely aware we have yet to date and there might be zero spark but it does feel like this could be something good. My nerves are already killing me but they're kinda.. good nerves? But the last 3 years of being on my own have been so good for me and me in love has always been kind of a dependent mess and why was I even on this app?? (Boredom)
The prospect of this actually working out is freaking me out more than any form of it just being another flop date.
(Although at the same time it does enlarge every insecurity I got. Like I basically want to rebuild my entire house before he might come over, and I haaaate the 'what's your job?' question because that always leads to me telling I'm not working which leads to me having to explain why not and... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.)
<breathes out>
It's not quite butterflies yet (not like I'm already crushing or anything) but I guess it is good news that... I still can feel like this?You've got a case of the butterflies, which I always think is something worth celebrating. Now my advice is to get out of your head and meet this person in person as soon as possible.