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Wanna hear @lushLuck's playlist. I know it'll be a bopfest.

The singles chart: my secret 75-song playlist for every man I’ve been with

A playlist designed to capture the excitement of first love has become a record of my romantic encounters and 14 years of singledom



The first time I kissed a boy I was 19 years old. I was in the basement of a dank student bar at university. Our eyes met across the dancefloor, we smiled at each other, and he came over. He told me his name was Sean, he was studying commerce and then put his hands on my waist. Just as he leaned in to kiss me the beat dropped on the final chorus of Rihanna’s We Found Love.

The next morning, I fired up my iPod Touch, created a nameless playlist and added We Found Love. I was still so deliriously excited by what had happened with Sean that I wanted something to preserve that moment. The song turned out to be all that I would get from Sean – he told me after one date I wasn’t really his type.

Crushed by his rejection, I did what any other sensible person would do: sought out validation from another man. I took a guy home from a country-themed club night and he soon became the second song on the playlist: Barefoot Blue Jean Night by Jake Owen. By the end of that school year, I’d added five more songs, and a personal tradition was born.
Jeff Ingold.

Jeff Ingold. Photograph: Jill Mead/The Guardian

What started as a silly teenage impulse to capture the excitement of finally being myself has slowly transformed into a musical diary of my life for the last 14 years. Every time I meet a guy, there is a part of me that starts wondering what song he will become. Will he be the latest pop hit that plays while sharing our first drink, or a slow classic barely audible in a shop? A track from an artist we saw live together? Or something completely unexpected? It’s a compulsive game I play that they have no idea they’ve signed up for.

Now called Remind Me, the playlist includes 75 songs and a running time of just under six hours. Perhaps unsurprisingly for a gay man born in the 90s, most of the songs are by female pop divas whose music I have worshipped for most of my life. Mariah Carey makes no less than seven appearances on the playlist – the most of any artist – alongside Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, Beyoncé, Céline Dion and Lady Gaga.

I should clarify that this is not a playlist of songs I’ve had sex to. While some of them were played while clothes were off, others were not. The only rule for adding a track is that, for whatever arbitrary or emotional reason, it has to bring me back to being with that particular guy. Music has helped me memorialise and give meaning to even the most ephemeral romances. While I don’t remember every guy’s name, when I play “his” song I can see his face and where I was when the song played.

The fun process of compiling this playlist has given me a unique relationship to certain songs and artists. When most people hear Elton John’s 1997 version of Candle In the Wind, they think of Lady Diana’s death. Me? A threesome I had with a couple in south London. I was in a taxi on the way to meet them and the driver put it on. I couldn’t help but laugh at what an absurd song it was to hear at that moment. Since then, I’ve never been able to listen to it with a straight face.

Up until now, no one in my life has known this playlist exists. It’s not that I’m ashamed of it. I grew up in a generation that became accustomed to broadcasting every experience for collective consumption and judgment. I wanted something that was for my eyes and ears alone. To anyone else, the playlist would look like a haphazard collection of songs that vaguely tracks pop music trends over the last decade. But for me, the playlist is precious, veering on sacred, because it’s the most honest recording I have of my life.

When most people hear Candle in the Wind, they think of Lady Diana. Me? A threesome I had with a couple in south London
Part of what makes exposing this part of my life so scary is that it’s also the story of my perpetual singledom. When I started the playlist, Spotify hadn’t even launched. I was either buying singles on iTunes or uploading tracks from CDs to make my compilation come to life. I honestly didn’t think I’d still be adding songs at age 33. Naively, I assumed by now I’d have met the great love of my life that all pop culture and romcoms I’d grown up with had promised me. The final song would have been added.

Every year in December I put the playlist on shuffle to reminisce about the new additions and old favourites. Each song evokes memories and feelings like I’m flicking through pictures in a scrapbook. Amid a sea of the short-lived flings, this playlist has become a constant; providing me with the commitment and security I’d hoped to find in a long-term relationship. Every track is also a melodic reminder that there is no shame in craving intimacy, or finding it outside a romantic relationship.

In many ways, this playlist epitomises the role music has played in my life. Music as a surrogate lover that holds me up and lets me be myself. So to give it up or to lose the playlist would mean doing away with part of who I am. I can’t do that. I’m still enjoying discovering which song – and which person – might come next.Kinda wanna hear @lushLuck dating playlist now. I just know it'll be a bopfest.
 
Going through a breakup. Finding I have the following songs on quite heavy rotation:

“Bittersweet” and “Sour Flower” by Lianne La Havas
“Good News (Ya-Ya Song)” and “Anything But Me” by MUNA
“Good Days” by SZA

Can anyone recommend any such similar poignant yet restorative songs or artists for a time like this?
Some songs that have helped me through a break are:

The Tough Alliance - Something Special
Britney Spears - Brave New Girl
Panda Bear - Comfy in Nautica
Alvvays - Not My Baby
The Magnetic Fields - 100,000 Fireflies
Austra - I Am Not Waiting
Skeeter Davis - Gonna Get Along Without You Now
Sarina Paris - Just About Enough
Geotic - Swiss Bicycle
Utada - Fight The Blues
Weyes Blood - Seven Words
Kings of Convenience - Rule My World

Hope you're doing and feeling okay a month in post-break up!
 
Sorry about the double post but... @Laurence that article was a fun read and I really resonated with it- I would say I have had 3 significant relationships that have led me to my most recent 4th relationship with the dude who, I think, is going to be the one I am going to be with for a very long time.

After my breakup in August, I was doing my best to just meet dudes (I only met up with one) while being transparent with where I was with dating- at the time, I did not feel like I had the capacity to be romantic but, I still wanted to connect with people if it felt natural and authentic. Fast forward to the end of November, I received a message from my current dude, who was planning to move back to Alaska after a short stint here, in Seattle. We met up the following day and walked around the city for 6 hours and both mutually agreed that we would enjoy meeting for a second date- only this time, it would be a home-cooked dinner at his house. Between those two days, our text exchange was just so easy, funny, musical, and, for me, flirty (I don't think I can flirt that well but I was able to be playful).

The second date went so well and, now, 2-ish months later, he has met a bulk of my community here and even flew home for Lunar New Year to meet my family! Even though he applied for some lawyer gigs back in Alaska, he could not secure a gig and has been applying and interviewing here in Seattle and, now, we are looking forward to moving in together around June; this will be the first time both us have lived with a partner!

To tie this back to the article that Laurence shared, throughout these past few months, music has been a common shared interest between the both of us and, when he was considering moving back to Alaska, I had an idea to create a "Boyfriend Jamz" compilation that documented the songs that we shared together or that made me think of him. With each compilation, I wanted it to fit on a CD-R so is all under and/or around 80 minutes! For Valentine's Day, I burnt the mixes onto a blank CD-R and used some screenshots of our text exchanges as the cover, too. At this point, I am currently on the 5th compilation. The most recent one has tracks that we listened to and shared on our drive while visiting my family in California or had associations with all things "California":

Anyways, thinking about how this is a music-based forum, I wanted to share some of my experiences in my personal life and how music is so intertwined in our lives!
 
That was an exhausting read and I genuinely do not want men tainting the sacred experience of enjoying music.

Getting under (or on top of) someone else really is the best way to get over someone huh
Yes and No. Unfortunately for me, as I have gotten older, the want of a certain other person gets stronger in these “easy fixes” and I’m left feeling bad.
 
I'm manifesting in the worst way.

Coming up on a year since my last date, no one batting an eyelid at me on a night out..then getting sad and feeling like sh*t because of it. How do I switch my brain from 'no one has any interest in me' because it's becoming true.
 
I have signed up for a speeddating event next week. I guess it's better than trying to find dates on apps, having 30% respond to messages and setting up dates. Only for half the dates to be cancelled between 1 day or 1 hour in advance.
 
I’ve posted in a here a few times a while back. I moved to Australia from London to be with my boyfriend.

I’ve been here almost two years now. Still waiting on my visa. But I’ve not had anyone visit me yet (left a really rough situation with friends outside of a handful) but one of the people I’ve ever loved most, who was essentially an ex for a year outside of the label, came to visit today. He’s staying for two weeks and he’s staying with me and my boyfriend for half of that before the two of us go to Sydney together for Mardi Gras.

And I just wanted to share how thankful I was to have a partner so willing to welcome not only an “ex” but someone who has been so formative in my life, into our home and not just let him stay but welcome him with open arms. It’s nice to have a partner who sees past jealously, and instead sees that “his person might have been an ex once but has since been a formative friendship with my man for years and so of course I will welcome him”.

Taking them both out for dinner tomorrow and and I’m just excited to see them get to know each other. It’s strange. I moved here two years ago and not a single person from my old life has visited, so I’m essentially a new person. So to have the two most important people from my two lives meet feels so special.

Sorry I’m word vomiting but it just means a lot to me. They are both such wildly different people outside of being two outrageously beautiful men. And yet they represent two sides of me and my life and parts I am finally grateful to be able to bring together in some form upon realising that while a new life on the otherside of the world is great - the part you left back there still exists too, however much you hated what they had become.

I’m 33, but my boyfriend is 38 and my ex is 42. But as gays we’re obviously all 29 perpetually, And it just… of all the people to show my new life to, I am so happy and grateful for it to have been him. He literally changed my life and put me on the path that helped me meet the love of my life.
 
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I feel like for reference I need to show just how beautiful these two men are. IMG_4287.jpeg
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I had the best day. Me and my ex went to the zoo and just talked about our lives (he’s a therapist by career) and I just basically got a free session. But it was so nice to see someone who knew me at my worst acknowledge like “hey, you seem so together and so insightful this is new haha” and it really made me feel like the growth I knew i’d made was recognised.

Cackling that my mother text me after seeing these pictures: “yes you never had ugly fellas did you? let’s hope you stay in touch”. Queen.
 
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Yesterday was the speed dating event! It was fun, not a lot of people I would approach from looks but that just made it more fun to find out what we have in common in 4 minutes. A few people were at these events before and gave some tips about how to follow up if you get a match. I did gasp when someone told me it was his 11th time - guess it's still faster than dating and matching on apps and then getting the dates cancelled. One guys told me to look at this event not as real dates (but speed dates ha), and this is more like an intro to if you like it, you can pursue a date to match after. That mindset helped me.

Just submitted my match card with everyone on there and the ones I hope to match. I may or may not have forgotten who two people were so I said I would match with them. There was only one that I felt the most interested in immediately, so here's to hoping!
 
Have any of you considered compiling your posts and self-publishing or submitting to a publisher? There is real gold in this thread, presented in very engaging ways. I mean somebody wrote a whole article about their love playlist and then didn’t even share the playlist and the flipping Guardian published it. There is a marketplace! Just a friendly suggestion!
 
A guy I've known for years occasionally has a go at asking me out. I've had a drink with him in the past and the time draaaaaagged, we have nothing in common, so I don't want to do that again. He's currently having another go, I've ignored messages, or batted them away with 'I'm busy' etc. But still he doesn't get it. Do I have to resort to sounding like a b*tch and being blunt?
 
A guy I've known for years occasionally has a go at asking me out. I've had a drink with him in the past and the time draaaaaagged, we have nothing in common, so I don't want to do that again. He's currently having another go, I've ignored messages, or batted them away with 'I'm busy' etc. But still he doesn't get it. Do I have to resort to sounding like a b*tch and being blunt?
There's no harm in just saying, 'Appreciate you reaching out, but unfortunately the vibe just isn't there for me. Wish you the best of luck.' I always prefer that over repeated hints/clues/games.
 
A guy I've known for years occasionally has a go at asking me out. I've had a drink with him in the past and the time draaaaaagged, we have nothing in common, so I don't want to do that again. He's currently having another go, I've ignored messages, or batted them away with 'I'm busy' etc. But still he doesn't get it. Do I have to resort to sounding like a b*tch and being blunt?
Yes.
 
There's no harm in just saying, 'Appreciate you reaching out, but unfortunately the vibe just isn't there for me. Wish you the best of luck.' I always prefer that over repeated hints/clues/games.
Yes, I would feel more comfortable finding a way to be honest. I've never been one to string someone along if they are interested and I'm not, but sometimes people only see what they want to see.
 

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