Early 2000s Rock Chicks Rate

slaybellz

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#23

Liz Phair - Why Can't I?

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14/24

Score: 8.400

My Score: 9
Highest: 10 x 9 (@Phonetics Girl, @yeRleDanaL, @berserkboi, @unnameable, @Conan, @Robsolete, @AlmostFamous, @londonrain, @aux)
Lowest: 6 x 4 (@Sprockrooster, @theincredibleflipper, @Verandi, @Memoria)

Why Can't I? was the first single from Liz's fourth self titled album. It was released in 2003 and charted at #32, her highest-charting single to date, and only Top 40 single.

The song was co-written and produced by the same people who help pen Complicated by Avril Lavigne (and you can definitely hear it). For her 4th album, Liz enlisted the help of The Matrix, a pop songwriting and production team, consisting of Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards, and Scott Spock, in hopes of gaining a bigger audience. But critics accused her of selling out at the time, notably receiving a 0.0 score from Pitchfork - which the author recently apologized for.


@Memoria (6) - I recognise the name, but Why Can't I remember this song? My score is reflected in my terrible joke.

@Sprockrooster (6) - One of @mina’s picks for my zeroes poprock rate and it actually did the best reaching top 30. But I can’t help but feel it is a bit lacklustre. Cute background music, but nothing I would seek out to listen intentionally.

@DJHazey (7.5) - Well, I’ll definitely say this chorus is a prime example of what this era sounded like more than most. The power this dose of nostalgia has!

@livefrommelbs (9) - I've always loved the chorus on this one a whole heap more than the verses.

@berserkboi (10) - What a glorious chorus, hey?

@unnameable (10) - The sweetest track she ever made, while being almost as rude as her “Exile in Guyville” stuff.





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#22

Hilary Duff - So Yesterday

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13/24

Score: 8.419

My Score: 6
Highest: 11 x 1 (@soratami) 10 x 9 (@livefrommelbs, @berserkboi, @Milotic, @unnameable, @Hurricane Drunk, @Pineapple, @phily693, @Memoria, @Music Is Death)
Lowest: 5 x 2 (@ohnostalgia, @londonrain)

Another song in the rate written and produced by The Matrix!

So Yesterday was the lead single from Hilary's second studio album Metamorphosis. It charted at #42 in the US, but was a Top 10 hit in a lot of other countries.

Honestly i'm surprised this song made it this far, but perhaps my judgement was clouded by the fact that I was very much a Hilary Duff hater growing up. I didn't have the language to describe it at the time, but to me she was the epitome of "white mediocrity". Like she wasn't a particularly good actress, singer, or dancer, and yet she was building this huge commercial empire with her face on every t-shirt and backpack. It confused me... Anyway, Come Clean eventually grew on me after one too many Laguna Beach episodes but this song not so much...


@DJHazey (7.5) - More like “aww this was a cute moment of iconic whatever” to me now than anything I’m really pressing play for a bop session.

@Epic Chocolat (7.5) - She sounds so young.

@Sprockrooster (8.5) - The way I am still using this in class as a bit of shady comment and speaksing ‘so Yesterday’ when I try to resolve an issue between pupils. They probably have no clue I am referencing hillegend or this very song as they were basically born the day this got released. But I will never stop spreading the word of miss Duff. NEVER!

@unnameable (10) - Mr Popjustice was very nice about this on the front page years ago, saying what a great song it was. It was in response to him being dragged by Hilary stans for being rude about her PSAs.

@berserkboi (10) - Pretty much the Hilary song for Berserky..

@livefrommelbs (10) - A GOTDAMN CLASSIC. How do you describe perfection? Takes me back to the TRL days in a major way.





Also not me just finding out she's the one who sings the intro for MTV's My Super Sweet 16 ^​
 
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#21

Avril Lavigne - Sk8er Boi

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6/24

Score: 8.543

My Score: 8
Highest: 10 x 12 (@theincredibleflipper, @BubblegumBoy, @pop3blow2, @Ana Raquel, @Pineapple, @Slice of Life, @Robsolete, @Verandi, @phily693, @Memoria, @Guy, @Music Is Death)
Lowest: 1 x 1 (@Sprockrooster) 5.5 x 1 (@Daniel_O)

Sk8er Boi was the second single from Avril's debut album Let Go. It was released in 2002 and charted at #29 in Canada. It also went Top 10 in many other countries.

This is the third song eliminated in a row that was co-written and produced by The Matrix. It received a Grammy nomination for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance in 2003.

Criticize this song as you may but you can't deny it's one hell of a catchy tune, and I guarantee you know at least some of the lyrics. This was one of those songs that all the kids were singing on the playground and was constantly played on the radio and music video channels. The music video is also iconic in its own right, it went straight to #1 on TRL on its second day of the countdown. The video was also considered the third 'Best music video of the decade' in the UK by BT Vision.


@Sprockrooster (1) - I always felt like this was very dumb. Not here for goofy Avril.

@DJHazey (6.75) - Part of a trinity of songs in her discography that I disagree with the populous on: This, Girlfriend, and Hello Kitty. Thankfully Sk8er Boi gets the least amount of disdain from me. I just think the storyline became a bit too cheesy for me at some point which helped make it get on my nerves a little bit.

@livefrommelbs (9) - "She's a bit basic, but she's still a whole lot of fun".

@berserkboi (8.5) - A classic for a reason!

@saviodxl (9.8) - Even if you don't like her, you have to admire the storytelling skills here. If you do, it's a perfect narrative in pop-rock form.

@Memoria (10) - Dickens. Austen. "Billy" Shakespeare. Brontë x 3. Lavigne. The greatest storytellers in history.

@unnameable (9) - Twenty years on, I’m still finding new music referencing a skater boi – HA IMPACT!

@Pineapple (10) - The cultural impact this had. This is one of those songs that just takes you right back.





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slaybellz

slaybellz

Top 20


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6/24

Avril Lavigne - Complicated
Avril Lavigne - I'm With You
Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me
Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending
Avril Lavigne - Nobody's Home
Alanis Morissette - Hands Clean

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13/24

Michelle Branch - Everywhere
Michelle Branch - All You Wanted
Michelle Branch - Are You Happy Now?
Michelle Branch - Breathe
Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway
Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
Kelly Clarkson - Behind These Hazel Eyes
Hilary Duff - Come Clean
P!nk - Just Like A Pill
P!nk - Don't Let Me Get Me
Stacie Orrico - Stuck
Stacie Orrico - (There's Gotta Be) More To Life
Jewel - Standing Still

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1/5

Natalie Imbruglia - Wrong Impression​
 
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Some thoughts I have about the last 10-12 eliminations:
  • Skye deserved better
  • Lindsay deserved better. Confessions is amazing.
  • WHAT THE FUCK at Take Me Away only making #28? Did y'all go deaf when you heard it or something? The guitars are delicious throughout the song, the drums are perfect head-banging material, the melodies are immaculate and Fefe sounds perfect. Also the lyrics are seriously great and the chorus is perfection. Y'all did her wrong in this rate, and I just know she'll be my favorite discovery when I actually manage to listen to her albums, although I knew a couple of her songs/who she was before this started. So I guess that doesn't count. But still.
  • Speaking of Fefe, @ohnostalgia and @slaybellz I listened to all her singles a bit ago, including Don't Go, and absolutely loved it. A jam.
  • Suddenly I See did not deserve top 40, much less top 30. Good riddance.
  • Losing Grip should've been top 20. Honestly, some days it's my favorite single from her debut. Maybe it's because I didn't actually know it as a kid like the three big ones, so it was a great moment of discovery when I listened to her discography in full. But it's just a wonderful, harder, angsty as hell, still melodically catchy, perfectly chorused rock song. I just love everything about it.
  • So Yesterday should also be top 20!! Yes I am biased. It is an absolute classic from my childhood, and queen Hilary was the first Disney artist I stanned. But the song is just really great? The melodies are catchy as hell, and the lyrics are cute if a little "thank you captain obvious". Okay, a lot ddddd. The song is a nice laid-back jam with a great chorus to boot. I knew it would leave before Come Clean, and I'm okay with that, but it still could've made the top 15 or 20.
  • Sk8er Boi I am slightly okay with leaving, since it has been called for quite a bit lately. Still, another iconic classic from my childhood nn. I have a lot of nostalgia for this one, maybe more so then the other two big Let Go singles for some reason. Probably cause it's the song me, my sister and my best (and only at the time) would put on and completely rock out too as kids. And it just cemented it's classic status in my heart when I got older. I don't remember why the hell this happened, but for some reason one of my friends, who loves (loved? Not sure, haven't talked to him in a long while.) Avril and started posting the lyrics as a comment on one of my Facebook posts, and we just went back and forth with the song dddd. Also, apparently this is unpopular (?) but I've always loved the story she tells with the lyrics. It's really cute and honestly could be the plot of a random 00s teen rom com and I would like to see it. And one of my favorite moments in the song is in the second verse, during the "Skater boy rocking on MTV" and the drums hit twice after "rocking". Just a great little moment.
  • Y'all really said "Avril is the only Canadian we care about" and ran huh?
  • Really happy to see my 11 going strong, even though I knew it would be.
  • Y'all have shared some really fucking weird opinions the past few pages.
Anyway, an amazing top 20. Literally only two songs are at a 9.5 for me, and the rest are 10s. Not sure how y'all feel about them, but I'll just say it's Jewel's and Alanis's songs. I won't mind if they make the top 10, but would prefer it if they left before that. The top 10 I would like based partly on nostalgia and partly on amazingness (for me) is probably this:
slaybellz said:
Top 10


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3/24

Avril Lavigne - Complicated
Avril Lavigne - I'm With You
Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending

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7/24

Michelle Branch - Everywhere
Michelle Branch - Are You Happy Now?
Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
Kelly Clarkson - Behind These Hazel Eyes
Hilary Duff - Come Clean
P!nk - Just Like A Pill
Stacie Orrico - Stuck​
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Fingers crossed it's doable.
 
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