Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by slaybellz, Mar 1, 2021.
Y'all are gonna give me a Kelly top 2 because god forbid a ballad wins a rate uh.
I’m With You or Behind These Hazel Eyes HAS to take this. Since U Been Gone is obvs a classic but I feel like it’s already had its flowers
or at least I hope so nn
The final 3 does feel a little predictable, but when each track is as amazing as these songs are it’s kind of deserved?? I’m happy for any to win.
Thank you to everyone who gave this a perfect score but most especially to my co-11 besties @londonrain and @unnameable.
I truly can’t be mad with this result. It competed against the likes of Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, you know, the Kweens of Pop Rock. I didn’t even dare dream it would actually go top 5 with a shiny 9.00+ average! I thought it was gonna flop at like, number 35 or something fffffff. I’m glad to learn it’s actually really well-beloved. It really warms my heart.
(my plug.dj username fffffff)
Thrilled that Alanis made top 5!!! Team I’m With You now. Maybe not the best Avril song for some people (wrong people), but certainly her most iconic. When will your fave get sampled by Rihanna?
Without permission and on the same album too?
This song received the most 10s in the entire rate but could not pull out the win.
Kelly Clarkson - Behind These Hazel Eyes
My Score: 8.5
Highest: 11 x 2 (@Phonetics Girl, @Music Is Death) 10 x 23 (@theincredibleflipper, @soratami, @livefrommelbs, @yeRleDanaL, @2014, @Daniel_O, @saviodxl, @fatyoshi, @BubblegumBoy, @unnameable, @Blond, @Hurricane Drunk, @Ana Raquel, @Conan, @Slice of Life, @Robsolete, @AlmostFamous, @Verandi, @londonrain, @aux, @phily693, @Memoria, @Guy)
Lowest: 7.5 x 2 (@Crisp X, @Epic Chocolat) 7.75 x 1 (@DJHazey)
Behind These Hazel Eyes was the third single from Kelly's second studio album Breakaway. It was released in 2005 and charted at #6 in the US.
The song broke the record for the longest time spent in the Top 10 for a song that did not hit Top 5, until it was beaten by Rihanna's Needed Me in 2016.
Critics speculated that the song was about her break-up with David Hodges, an ex-member of Evanescence, but according to MTV, the song was originally written prior to the break-up. Nonetheless, Kelly decided to tweak the song lyrics after the break-up to express her emotional pain.
@DJHazey (7.75) - This always had the edge on SUBG from the second I first laid ears on it, but sadly I can quite clearly state that today I consider it pretty much in the same way. Hey, it’s always nice to log another play each for them and move on.
@Sprockrooster (8) - The amount of times this has won over Since U Been Gone are becoming a bit much (Kelly Discography – Winners Rate – Zeroes poprock Rate). We need it to lose once, despite loving it. Especially the music video which completely elevates it.
@berserkboi (9.5) - Truly Wow Bethenny Wow when she goes all out!
@saviodxl (10) - It's the same old story: guy meets girl; guy breaks girl's heart; girl writes a song about it. But it works so perfectly here with Clarkson evoking her inner Amy Lee. Had to make this comparison, just can't help it!
@unnameable (10) - I’m so glad she got to make “My December”.
@Memoria (10) - HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.
@theincredibleflipper (10) - Anything but tens for breakaway singles would be a joke
@livefrommelbs (10) - My second-favourite Kelly song of all time, after "Don't Let Me Stop You" - and a runner-up for my 11. A blistering, emotive, all-powerful piece of pop-rock perfection ALLITERATION
God I'm so scared now girls.
Little Sk8er Gays let's form a prayer circle
And finally the moment we've all been waiting for! A literal CAN vs. USA Top 2, with a mere 0.012 point difference separating the two. Who is the runner up of the Early 2000s Rock Chicks Rate?
Avril Lavigne - I'm With You
My Score: 11
Highest: 11 x 4 (@saviodxl, @Verandi, @Guy) 10 x 19 (@Sprockrooster, @Phonetics Girl, @theincredibleflipper, @livefrommelbs, @yeRleDanaL, @fatyoshi, @Milotic, @Blond, @Crisp X, @Hurricane Drunk, @Ana Raquel, @ohnostalgia, @Slice of Life, @Robsolete, @AlmostFamous, @aux, @phily693, @Memoria, @Music Is Death)
Lowest: 7 x 1 (@Daniel_O) 8 x 2 (@soratami, @unnameable)
I'm With You was the third single from Avril's debut album Let Go. It was released in 2002 and charted at #18 in Canada. It also reached #4 in the US, as well as going Top 10 in nine other countries.
I'm with You was Avril's first ballad released as a single. It was co-written and produced by The Matrix and got two nominations at the 46th Annual Grammy Awards, for Song of the Year and Best Female Pop Vocal Performance.
In 2010, Rihanna sampled the song on her single Cheers (Drink to That), and Avril made an appearance in the music video.
@Epic Chocolat (9) - A moving power ballad.
@berserkboi (9) - I recall disliking the vocals on this at the time, but not anymore it would seem!
@DJHazey (9.25) - Oop. Yes yes the Avril stan sitting here giving arguably her most acclaimed single less than a 10. Hey I love it too, but not all loves are 10’s okay! I was actually pleasantly surprised when Rock n Roll squeaked by it barely, in the 2015 Discography Rate. Plays on a lot of the qualities that Keep Holding On does, but I just happen to be one of those few people that think Keep Holding On does it slightly better.
@Sprockrooster (10) - During it’s release this had me shook. I mean the skilled level of belting and writing here is exceptional. You just can’t resist to shout along.
@livefrommelbs (10) - The fact that Avril was so young when she wrote this and still managed to capture such concentrated pathos is truly one of the marvels of 00s pop songcraft. You can literally feel the late-night, winter chill in the strings at the start, further sold by the fragility in Avril's voice when she sings the first verse. Then the chorus just bursts to life with such heart and yearning... ugh. I can hear god. This will be in my top 20 songs of the 00s (when that rate finally happens).
@Memoria (10) - One of the first ballads that I ever fell in love with and even nearly 20 years later it's still as stunning as ever. I don't think I could ever get tired of it. Hearing how she sounds better than even in recent live performances of it is pretty incredible too.
@saviodxl (11) - That power ballad about the damn cold night that captivated kids, teens and grown-ups!
Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
My Score: 10
Highest: 11 x 4 (@Daniel_O, @Blond, @pop3blow2, @phily693) 10 x 21 (@Sprockrooster, @theincredibleflipper, @soratami, @livefrommelbs, @yeRleDanaL, @berserkboi, @2014, @fatyoshi, @unnameable, @Ana Raquel, @Pineapple, @Conan, @ohnostalgia, @Slice of Life, @Robsolete, @Epic Chocolat, @AlmostFamous, @aux, @Memoria, @Music Is Death)
Lowest: 7 x 1 (@DJHazey) 8 x 1 (@Guy)
Since U Been Gone was the second single from Kelly's second studio album Breakaway. It was released in 2004 and charted at #2 in the US. It was also a worldwide success going Top 10 in several other countries.
The song was written and produced by Max Martin and some other asshole. Max originally wrote the song with P!nk in mind, but she turned it down. It was then given to Hilary Duff, but she rejected the song because she could not reach its higher notes. The song was finally given to Kelly after Clive Davis convinced them to give it to her. She decided to add heavier guitars and harder drums to the song after noticing that the demo had an obvious pop sound.
The song won Best Female Pop Vocal Performance at the 48th Grammy Awards.
@DJHazey (7) - Here’s the thing, this song and I started out friends when I first heard it on The Hills or something, but it quickly wore out its welcome as in I got everything I needed out of it early-on and now it’s at the point where I’ve had no desire to play for years. I won’t call it overrated or anything but I certainly don’t think it should win over more deserving anthems, but I know it’ll contend.
@livefrommelbs (10) - I know Dr. Luke's involvement might have tarnished the history of the Breakaway songs a little, but there's no denying just how goddamn incredible tracks like "Since U Been Gone" are. What a behemoth of a pop song.
@Epic Chocolat (10) - Max Martin at his pop-rock best.
@Sprockrooster (10) - Break ups are nasty. But I almost would thank the man who broke Kelly’s heart, cause if not we would not have this devoted hate train of a track that is simply brilliant.
@berserkboi (10) - Such a classic it feels unfair to rate it against the rest dddd
@Memoria (10) - Is this the biggest chorus of all time? Maybe so!
@pop3blow2 (11) - One of only a handful times in my entire life I had to pull my car to the side of the road the first time I heard a song on the radio because I was so blown away by what I was hearing. Literally shook. I adored her first album ('Low' is still probably my fave Kelly song ever), but this song just came out of nowhere to me. Max Martin is brilliant. He & the other producer took the Pixies/Nirvana alt-rock loud soft template, glossed it up, & applied it to pop/rock in a way that was fresh & influenced a whole new generation. Kelly's input can't be understated either. She is the one who wanted it louder & rockier... and who had the voice for it. She is why this song in amazing. The fact that she was 'just a reality contest winner' to some, made the song sound even more rebellious & gave it an extra edge. It subverts a lot of musical stereotypes of the zeitgeist...all in one go. I think its success opened the doors for reality shows to be taken seriously & for the artists who came from to be given a bit more freedom, well, within reason (but that's an essay for another time!) Anyways, for that reason & others I really don't think this song would've worked nearly as well or been half as successful with anyone else. It was just a perfect pop moment on all fronts. I know the song is tainted some now because of some parties involved, but the moment will always be Kelly’s. She just owned it.
@mods I would like to request a ban.
Since U Been Gone is unimpeachable. One of the best songs of all time.
Thanks for the great rate bestie @slaybellz. I really had fun walking down pop-rock memory lane ♡♡♡
Me during the final hours of the voting period seeing my 11 losing by a few decimal points...
Me today realizing that I chose to do my rate finale at the same time as the Eurovision Finals that's got the whole forum preoccupied...
Averages and math stuff will be posted tomorrow!
Honestly did not expect that at all!
Thanks for a fun rate @slaybellz!
Great rate indeed @slaybellz !! Really eager to see what you work on next!
Scream, I was about to point that out. It was very Canadian of you to do that dd
Anyway, I'm glad Since U Been Gone won. Iconic winner for an iconic rate, thanks a lot for hosting @slaybellz!
Thanks for a fantastic rate @slaybellz! Super glad Avril and Kelly shared the top 2.
For a moment I thought Alanis would really win this.
Btw, When does the Stacie Orrico rate start?
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