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Game of Thrones (HBO pace - no book spoilers)

Discussion in 'TV + Film' started by IotV, Feb 12, 2011.

  1. Really enjoyed that episode, but the thing I'm here most for this season is the re-rise of Queen Margaery, with Olenna to hand. Serve me in week three.
     
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  2. He

    He

    Where is Olena, actually?
     
  3. Had no idea the Iron Islands story was coming back! I was actually more surprised about that than all the Jon-malarkey.
    I thought the Greyjoys had quietly been forgotten about in favour of focusing on Dorne (which I notice is now out of the title sequence!). Although if the series butchers it the way they did Dorne, my pleasant surprise may become less pleasant.
     
  4. Solenciennes

    Solenciennes Staff Member

    The Iron Islands story in the book feels like a drag so I'm interested to see how they play it out on the show seeing as it barely goes anywhere after Balon's death and they covered that in the space of an episode. I always wondered why they changed Theon's sister's name too - is it because they think the audience might confuse Asha and Osha?
     
  5. So I don't know what happens in the books but the main thing I took from last nights episode is that I think Cersai is going to kill Tommen?
     
  6. Edit: nevermind
     
  7. I hope she's bloody back soon.
    supposedly her and Cersai finally have it out this year


    Great episode last night, the giant barging into Castle Black and smacking that man into the wall, had me howling. All in all, very plot action packed, long may it continue.
     
  8. Yes, and it's why they changed Robert Arryn's name to Robin, so as not to confuse with Robert Baratheon. In the mythology of the books, tons of characters share names, and it's confusing enough (however realistic it might be). I'm glad they changed them for the show.
     
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  9. Olenna is in Highgarden, last we heard. She'll probably show up with the army Jaime uses to attack the Faith.

    I'm here for "good gyal gone bad" Tommen. You'll sleigh (ok) you'll sleigh (ok) you'll sleigh (ok ok ok ok). C'mon Tommen let's get in formation.

    Jon always was a warg, it was just never really touched on. Not sure how big it'll figure in the story going ahead.
     
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  10. Sam

    Sam

    Something something he's a Targaryen and will warg with the dragons
     
  11. Aren't dragons too intelligent to warg with?
     
  12. The shots of the wolf were just to symbolize their connection, it woke up when felt him alive. I hope they introduce the warging though. But I understand it's kinda difficult to bring that to the screens.
    And I'm pretty sure he'll come back different. A direct quote from Beric Dondarrion, who came back from the dead 6 times on show "Every time I come back, I'm a bit less. Pieces of you get chipped away."
    First thing I want to happen is for him to be able to ignore the Night's Watch vows.
     
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  13. Sam

    Sam

    Oh, maybe. I dunno.
     
  14. His return was always gonna be underwhelming after months and months of speculation, so whatever. I just need Jon 2.0 needs to gather them wildlings and crush Ramsay, enough with the Night's Watch vows already.

    I'm super curious for Bran, hope we get some clues about where his story is going, as it appears to be a very important part of the endgame.
     
  15. Solenciennes

    Solenciennes Staff Member

    I hope they write Jon Snow 2.0 to be less of an honour bound wet blanket - obviously it set him apart from the brutality of Cersei, Joffrey, Ramsay and other notorious series antiheroes/villains to show him as one of the few truly honourable characters when it put him in tough situations like dealing with the wildlings; but it's become a bit of a burden to watch him politely try and force an agenda on a bunch of ex-cons at a snowy version of Alcatraz, I want to see a ruthless leader finally do away with Alliser and the ever annoying Ollie and take the White Walkers story to a new place.

    Re: Bran - I think his story will allow for a lot of flashbacks, so we'll get a lot of returning characters and new information about stories we already know from a new perspective etc. I don't really know how it'll figure into the overall story arc but I'm excited to see how it unfolds. It was also nice to see Sansa hear that Arya was still alive and give that poor girl some temporary relief - do we think she'll make it to the wall and find her half brother or will it be a classic 'too late' Game of Thrones moment? I can't see Ramsay surviving the season, which is a pity as he's one of the most compelling villains ever, but there's not really anywhere left for him to go. He's killed his father and is now in charge. The only way is down. I'm imagining either a three way battle between Ramsay, Jon Snow and the White Walkers that sees him done in, or some kind of story that sees The Zombie Mountain come into contact with him and finally get rid of him - I can't see how he'd die by anyone else's hand.
     
  16. RJF

    RJF

    Really? Ramsay's character on the show has mostly been a smirking, cartoonish OTT torture porn merchant. In Game of Thrones, it's always the environment and characters surrounding the villains that have made them jump off the page. Joffrey was horrifyingly compelling because he was essentially a weak willed, stupid, petulant brat, but also a complete sociopath and the most powerful man in the realm, and watching other characters navigate that was what made him interesting. Like at the start of Season 4. It wasn't Joffrey wielding a crossbow that was arresting television; it was Margaery very carefully taming him and avoiding having it shot at her. Ramsay is just the show's go-to butcher, and I see his character devolving into even more of a two dimensional farce now that he's been unchained from the characters that were keeping him in check.
     
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  17. Solenciennes

    Solenciennes Staff Member

    Completely agree about Joffrey and I can see all your points, and I can also see the character devolving into exactly as you've said, but I think Ramsay is compelling because with Joffrey you were always unsure whether his bursts of psychotic behaviour were going to happen or if he would be kept in line by Cersei or The Hound or Tyrion; whereas with Ramsay you are just on the edge of your seat hoping that anyone who comes across him doesn't fall into one of his traps - for one thing, it made Theon a bearable character watching him shrivel and die and then finally fight for his right to life after being subjected to Ramsay's cruelty. You knew Fat Walda was going to die but you were willing her not to follow him into the kennels and you could see her quiver and knew something terrible was going to happen, it's captivating. The overall feeling of menace and sheer terror when he's on screen is incredible. Where Joffrey was petulant; Ramsay is driven by a furious need to prove himself to his father and now that he no longer needs that validation, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of him.

    I'd argue that the Joffrey/Margaery dynamic you mentioned was just as brilliantly recreated with Ramsay and Sansa - you were watching this poor girl who had escaped one psychopath fall right into the hands of an even worse one and seeing how she responds to this even worse situation and how she somehow navigates it was just as exciting as a viewer. Sansa's lost her snotty future queen ambitions, became vulnerable to the point of pathetic and then finally made her escape. I think that story has the potential to be the most gripping this series; watching Ramsay try and find her.
     
  18. I was infuriated watching her walk into the dog kennels with her baby in hand...

    "Where's Lord Bolton?"

    Honey... You're in a little cave full of ravenous dogs and you can see everything inside. He's not in there.
     
  19. You've got the most amazing perspective on things. I thought it was just music! Never realised that about Joffrey but you've nailed what made him so utterly compelling.

    After last week's twist with Melisandre, I was convinced she was going to sacrifice herself to save Jon. Now that she's still alive, I agree with a point on 'Thronecast' that this might serve to boost her confidence and make her a lot more formidable in her own right. Maybe taking on Cersei.
     
  20. I am not ready for whatever that gift is that an Umber/Karstark brings to Ramsey next episode. Something tells me it rhymes with Bickon Bark.
     
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