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General Madonna Discussion

Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by debord, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. Like a Virgin was her first step into creating conceptual worlds within her albums, so I feel it’s essential for that alone, even if it’s not my personal favorite. However, she did this specific concept again and so much better/more fleshed out with True Blue; similar to what happened with MDNA vs Rebel Heart
  2. I plonk Crazy For You and Into The Groove on Like A Virgin, and phew. A classic album.
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  3. Like A Virgin is her Spice. AKA essential.
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  4. Yes, I know this, but this is exactly why Madame X is a superior album. I'm not arguing that Like A Virgin should be able to compete with it. I'm completely aware of why Virgin is the album that is and why Madame X is the album that it is.
  5. Bad taste? Lol. Please post your own ranking that is supposed to be a fact and an example of taste.
    We have different opinions. Deal with it.

    It is just an username. Does it really matter? I stan the era overall more than the album.
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  6. I hate YouTubers and reaction videos, but it's nice to see somebody hear these songs with fresh ears. Also I didn't know 'Inside Of Me' was about Madonna's mother until about a decade after I first heard the track!
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  7. Rankings are stupid, first of all. And, second, my taste is immaculate.

    Deal with it.

  8. I enjoy watching them too, but I find it funny listening to her try and interpret the song lyrics for Human Nature and Survival without knowing what they are actually about, it's really not a big deal, I just find it funny.
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  9. I actually like rankings and don't find them stupid, but I do find the ranking Like A Virgin>Madame X kinda stupid.
  10. Ranking Hard Candy last is a very...2009 way of looking at it tibbs. We’ve said it over and over dot mp3 but it really has aged well in the last decade
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  11. I think my main problem with Hard Candy, which more than delivers on its promise to provide the bops, is just that it feels too straightforward in execution. MDNA, despite a couple weird turns, also feels like Madonna is not challenging herself like we know she can. It's not until Rebel Heart that she started getting artistically spunky again, but even that album feels like it's kinda holding back and coloring inside the lines. As I've said before, it's a straightforward pop album with a kooky surface (whereas Madame X is genuinely one of the most left field albums she's ever done). I like Hard Candy a lot and love Rebel Heart (and I have time for a handful of tracks on MDNA), but I feel like they all continued a pattern of Madonna sticking too close to pop and dance that started with Confessions (as immaculately crafted and sonically adventurous as it could be) and started fraying around the edges with Rebel Heart. Madame X completely breaks that pattern, which is why I get kind of annoyed when some fans lump it in with her other recent records. Rebel Heart did lay a bit of groundwork for Madame X, but Madame X is just operating in a whole different dimension from all her work post American Life.

    This is not to say that experimental Madonna is necessarily the best Madonna, but Madame X really was what I had been craving from her.
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  12. Madame X, with certain stuff, is ambitious and superior to Like a Virgin. I even used to place MDNA above LAV. The thing is, MDNA had some very embarrassing songs for someone like Madonna. Perhaps, if she made Superstar in the 80s, it wouldn't have been a big deal, but it was in 2012. As a whole, LAV flows better than MDNA.

    When it comes to Madame X, I am simply not that much into it. The ranking is subjective.
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  13. Fair enough. It's just jarring to see it laid out in the a list like that. Like A Virgin is so weak within the context of her discography.
  14. Hello I’d like to interrupt the ranking talk to appreciate the first demo of Bitch I’m Madonna

    The way it all feels even more like a funhouse fever dream than the final version, the guitar that reminds me of Blister in the Sun of all things, the “take my top off” lyric, “tastes like holy water”, the fucking ending with her cackling like a demonic witch over balloon sounds...ugh her mind
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  15. Don’t forget that the ignore list is a function you can use, guys. Makes this thread so much easier for me.
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  16. My music consumption was at its peak in the early 10s so MDNA and Girl Gone Wild are embarrassingly my most played Madonna album and single respectively. Yikes!
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  17. Give Me All Your Luvin is still somehow in my top 5 most played songs on iTunes, I must have really milked that track back then.
  18. I think this is a fascinating period of Madonnas career. As a lifelong fan I’m just not used to seeing her operate outside of the zeitgeist. She has always been omnipresent when it comes to musical clout. There’s just no denying that we are in new territory with her career. Not only commercially but in wider influence, fashion and just general interest. I think we’re entering a period of respect but largely indifference. She’s just sort of there now, not raising as much of an eyebrow or a pulse.

    She still has plenty to say and plenty to offer and do...I’m just not sure if anyone is listening anymore. It’s a very strange feeling. Madame X has been an outstanding era in terms of production and consideration of material. It ticks many boxes projects of previous years have missed...and yet somehow it also feels rather cold and hollow in places. I’ve always felt her proximity but I feel much farther from her in recent years despite being just as invested in her.
    I suppose all of this is largely to do with the natural cycle of a stars journey.
    I would love a candid documentary again where we see her day to day. I’d be interested to see who she is these days away from the speeches, sound bites and snappy insta vids. Beyond the curation. If she’s interested in us seeing that now.
  19. Same. I really hammered MDNA when it came out and now it's way overrepresented in my stats compared to how I actually rate it. Rebel Heart has overtaken it now as most played, if only because it has so many songs.
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  20. I think it's interesting to see and hear people's opinions on her discography. It's rare you'll find anyone who agrees with your own preferences. There's albums I think are weak that others adore and albums I love that some think are only 'okay'. But I think it makes an artist's discography much more interesting and often creates interesting conversations. I like understanding why people enjoy certain songs or certain albums more than I do. Sometimes it even makes me go back and revisit songs or albums in case my opinion changes or I hear something different etc.

    Similarly, I have no issue with those reaction videos because they do the same - interest me in the album again and make me want to go back and re-listen. I do find it intriguing - watching someone listen to a Madonna album for the first time (don't we all have albums in her discography we wish we could go back and listen to for the very first experience?), especially as she isn't a Madonna fan and occasionally [not always] she says things that make me hear a song or see an album in a different light [that perhaps I didn't before as I am a fan, if that makes sense?]
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