General Madonna Discussion | Page 2889 | The Popjustice Forum

General Madonna Discussion

Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by debord, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. RJF

    RJF

    Bedtime Stories in terms of the producers she worked with is probably the most "trend-chasing" album of her career with Hard Candy. It's proficient if a little... procedural by that point. Unapologetic sexuality, references to dead mother, all familiar territory but it lacks the dogged investigation she employed on previous albums. It's a cute little rec room of Madonna tropes given window dressing by the hottest producers of the time.

    I find "Take A Bow" so... hard to reconcile as a Madonna song. It just feels so inconsequential to her legend. But I guess it never taking off in my part of the world maybe plays into that.
     
    FridayNight and SlowGinFizzzz like this.
  2. Wasn't Take a Bow her final pitch to be cast as Eva? It's so weird to me that it's her longest running #1 in the US considering it's hardly ever played now and maybe her worst #1
     
  3. This is probably like the fifth time I've said this, so apols if it's repetitive at this point, but what I love most about Take A Bow is how she conveys so much feeling, warmth, and melancholy with her voice and never once goes for a swooping melisma or "money note". It's all in her tone and the strength in that restraint. She held her own against the Big Voices of the time.
     
    LTG, Mr Blonde, AlmostFamous and 18 others like this.
  4. Take A Bow is a gorgeous pop song, but it doesn’t sound very Madonna. When you think Madonna, you think experimental pop music or dance floor bangers. She sounds gorgeous on the song, but it‘s the type of track you’d expect Mariah to nail at the time.
     
    mcuk likes this.
  5. There is a huge difference between the two records. To me bedtime stories shows the ability of an Artist to own a trend and make it her own to the point of originality. It revers weakness into strength. Hard candy is a decent album that lacks her firm hand as a producer and author all over it.
     
    tommylander, mcuk, Vasilios and 2 others like this.
  6. I never seek it out as a song I want to listen to but whenever it comes on I can’t help but love it for its understated class.
     
    jakeyfw and dodoriazarbon like this.
  7. Oh, she took that video from this YouTube channel :



     
    cheida, Antony85 and MrWonderfulPop like this.
  8. I just watched this 5 times in a row.
     
    lushLuck likes this.
  9. It's funny because when I was fifteen-going-on-sixteen, Take A Bow was one of the songs that roped me in as a proper fan. I sought it out because I'd read it was a huge hit for her and when I listened it was like, "OH, THIS IS HER???" I just remembered it from the Friends first season finale. It's always had a special place in my heart and I've always considered it a true blue Madonna song.
     
    JMRGBY and Andy French like this.
  10. Take A Bow is one of my favorite Madonna songs ever. Probably her best ballad. A gorgeous and underrated song.
     
    HEARTCORE, jakeyfw, achilles and 2 others like this.
  11. It's not the most Madonna of Madonna songs, but I do think the single effect plays into it. Songs hit differently with more memories and nostalgia. I remember accepting the small wins as an M stan when I heard this song on the radio (one of those oldies and hits mix~ stations) with friends in the car and one of them surprisingly knew all the words.
     
    nikkysan and Andy French like this.
  12. It’s quite bizarre to think that in the early Ray of Light sessions she considered that BabyFace Take A Bow sound again with Never Love a Stranger.
     
  13. It's part of that "tracing a throughline" thing that's so present on her 90s albums and lasted for around twenty years (!!) -

    She was working with Shep Pettibone on Bedtime Stories before Babyface and Dallas Austin entered the picture

    Ray Of Light was more AC-oriented from the early demos, like you said

    William Orbit was significantly more involved in the early Music sessions before she hit it off with Mirwais for that album and American Life

    Mirwais worked on a few early Confessions demos before she went with Stuart Price

    She was working with Stuart (and supposedly PSB) on Hard Candy before Timbaland/Pharrell/JT

    I find it really fascinating. I think MDNA is where it changed, because she hadn't worked with William in nearly fifteen years by that point.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2020
  14. Good point actually! Yeah I still feel a bit sorry for Shep Pettibone, not that they finished on bad terms or anything, I guess more the end of an era. I really hope we get to hear his version of Secret one day.
    I guess Nellie Hooper was another thread if it weren’t for his apparent ego, As said by Madonna in her letter to Pat Leonard.

    William Orbit coming back for MDNA felt a bit like fan service, at that point it was like “omg Ray of Light 2.0 is coming!” But for obvious reasons it didn’t really work, I don’t blame Orbit, if anything it was the tight deadline and Madonna’s lack of creative input due to WE, he basically said this himself.
    Mirwais coming back for Madame X however actually felt genuine to me, and it shows on those tracks, they had a special bond when working on those songs.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2020
    cheida, An Insider, nikkysan and 5 others like this.
  15. It's a gorgeous track but you're totally right - for a woman who's so adament about not repeating herself it's strange she even recorded what is ostensibly Take A Bow 2.0
     
    AshtrayHeart likes this.
  16. Whenever the next album comes I really hope she keeps with Mirwais. They've still got some unexplored territory, I think.
     
  17. Queen tested positive for coronavirus antibodies

    a pandemic won’t eliminate ha
     
    cheida, BreatheBox, RJF and 1 other person like this.
  18. I wouldn’t mind that. Honestly though, I know it’s been said so I’m sorry for that, but I really do just want to hear her natural voice again whenever the next album happens. I’m kind of worn out on vocoder and auto tune.
     
    tommylander likes this.
  19. '90s Madonna is my favorite era of Madonna. I'm sure that 1990-2000 being my first ten years of life has a lot to do with that (seeing as she was one of the first artists I ever fell in love with), but if anyone asks me the sound of Madonna that resonates the most with me, it's from Vogue through Music, with everything in between falling into it.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.