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To start, I really do get why they wrote her exit the way they did. In fact, if you go back in this thread to when they announced Ellen would only be in 8 episodes, I had been adamant that she wasn't going to get a proper 'exit' episode (hell, I even thought she would probably still even be holding a position at the hospital) because I knew she was still going to be doing the VoiceOver (sidenote - I'm glad they threw in the bit where she said "I'm still here" in her VO when she was reading the book to sort of indicate that her VO's will continue).

However, that was also when I was still assuming she would sign on for another 5-8 episodes in season 20, it was also before Ellen officially announced her departure as a regular with tons of goodbyes from the cast and crew, it was also before ABC marketed the hell out of this episode as a "farewell". So this episode to me, and to other fans judging from comments sections literally everywhere, felt like a slap in the face to longtime fans.

This very clearly was Ellen Pompeo and Meredith Grey's exit episode. And we got absolutely nothing. Her lack of screen time was the first thing I noticed. We were 40 minutes into the episode and had seen her for a total of 7 minutes, maybe. There was absolutely no 'bigness' to the story. Leaving Seattle and GSM is a huge moment for this character - we had an entire season about it last year, and it's finally happening and we didn't get a single poignant moment to mark the end of her time there. No conversation between Meredith and Richard/Bailey. Not even a scene of her walking around the hospital. It's baffling, really. We've continued to see Jackson and Koracick the same way we'll see Meredith, but they had better exits than this.

The storyline with Nick was absolutely ludicrous. I appreciated the full circle Pick Me Choose Me Love Me moment in the scrub room, but the whole thing just feels like it came out of nowhere. Her pretending not to hear him on the plane was so off-putting to me too. Who does that? It didn't feel empowering or like growth to me, it felt like a serious regression of her character.

Overall, the issue with the episode was that it did absolutely nothing to serve and honour Meredith's character and the things happening in her life. And that's the reason I'm sort of let down after ~17 years of watching this. And to be honest, I thought I would have egg on my face with my previous comments about this being my last episode, but I actually have zero desire to return (and won't be). It's been fun though!

My only thought is that Krista is plotting the season finale to be her final 'farewell' (which it likely really will be) – but I don't disagree at all that this episode needed at least one big moment. Seriously, we just needed a great Bailey, Mer, Richard scene! I really do feel like they saw season 18 as her ending (that episode was FULL of flashbacks) and then this felt like... an after-thought, almost? It's a weird position to be in to have to wrap up her story but not WRAP up her story. The Nick thing is my biggest question mark. I don't really get the endgame there at all, and at this point I almost don't even want them together anymore? Their communication this season was a total 180 from how mature and thoughtful they were last year. It was so refreshing to see them talk things out.

That said, I actually really enjoyed the rest of the episode, especially the intern stuff. Simone and Lukas have great chemistry, and Mika has so much potential as a character, so I am interested to see where the show goes the rest of this season, and I'm definitely still on board. But... I'm going to have mighty high expectations for the season finale.

I also LOVED Winston finally calling Maggie on her shit. I feel like no one ever has properly, and he just absolutely pegged her. It feels like we're watching her turn into Ellis, and I almost wonder if the writers have the balls to turn her into that properly cold and ruthless mini-Ellis that they kind of hinted at her.

I also liked that they had a bunch of fun group dynamics (Amelia, Winston, Jo, Maggie working together) and that they're setting up more (Amelia VS Teddy for Chief). It feels like with Meredith gone, we may actually feel like the cast is more cohesive again. Time will tell, I guess.
 
To start, I really do get why they wrote her exit the way they did. In fact, if you go back in this thread to when they announced Ellen would only be in 8 episodes, I had been adamant that she wasn't going to get a proper 'exit' episode (hell, I even thought she would probably still even be holding a position at the hospital) because I knew she was still going to be doing the VoiceOver (sidenote - I'm glad they threw in the bit where she said "I'm still here" in her VO when she was reading the book to sort of indicate that her VO's will continue).

However, that was also when I was still assuming she would sign on for another 5-8 episodes in season 20, it was also before Ellen officially announced her departure as a regular with tons of goodbyes from the cast and crew, it was also before ABC marketed the hell out of this episode as a "farewell". So this episode to me, and to other fans judging from comments sections literally everywhere, felt like a slap in the face to longtime fans.

This very clearly was Ellen Pompeo and Meredith Grey's exit episode. And we got absolutely nothing. Her lack of screen time was the first thing I noticed. We were 40 minutes into the episode and had seen her for a total of 7 minutes, maybe. There was absolutely no 'bigness' to the story. Leaving Seattle and GSM is a huge moment for this character - we had an entire season about it last year, and it's finally happening and we didn't get a single poignant moment to mark the end of her time there. No conversation between Meredith and Richard/Bailey. Not even a scene of her walking around the hospital. It's baffling, really. We've continued to see Jackson and Koracick the same way we'll see Meredith, but they had better exits than this.

The storyline with Nick was absolutely ludicrous. I appreciated the full circle Pick Me Choose Me Love Me moment in the scrub room, but the whole thing just feels like it came out of nowhere. Her pretending not to hear him on the plane was so off-putting to me too. Who does that? It didn't feel empowering or like growth to me, it felt like a serious regression of her character.

Overall, the issue with the episode was that it did absolutely nothing to serve and honour Meredith's character and the things happening in her life. And that's the reason I'm sort of let down after ~17 years of watching this. And to be honest, I thought I would have egg on my face with my previous comments about this being my last episode, but I actually have zero desire to return (and won't be). It's been fun though!
This is where I am at too, and to top things off I was just completely uninvested with everything that was going on in the episode, so I think I'm done too. I may find myself binging at one point, but who knows.
 
My only thought is that Krista is plotting the season finale to be her final 'farewell' (which it likely really will be) – but I don't disagree at all that this episode needed at least one big moment. Seriously, we just needed a great Bailey, Mer, Richard scene! I really do feel like they saw season 18 as her ending (that episode was FULL of flashbacks) and then this felt like... an after-thought, almost? It's a weird position to be in to have to wrap up her story but not WRAP up her story. The Nick thing is my biggest question mark. I don't really get the endgame there at all, and at this point I almost don't even want them together anymore? Their communication this season was a total 180 from how mature and thoughtful they were last year. It was so refreshing to see them talk things out.

That said, I actually really enjoyed the rest of the episode, especially the intern stuff. Simone and Lukas have great chemistry, and Mika has so much potential as a character, so I am interested to see where the show goes the rest of this season, and I'm definitely still on board. But... I'm going to have mighty high expectations for the season finale.

I also LOVED Winston finally calling Maggie on her shit. I feel like no one ever has properly, and he just absolutely pegged her. It feels like we're watching her turn into Ellis, and I almost wonder if the writers have the balls to turn her into that properly cold and ruthless mini-Ellis that they kind of hinted at her.

I also liked that they had a bunch of fun group dynamics (Amelia, Winston, Jo, Maggie working together) and that they're setting up more (Amelia VS Teddy for Chief). It feels like with Meredith gone, we may actually feel like the cast is more cohesive again. Time will tell, I guess.

It’s very clear that Ellen just came back this season as a favour to them to pass the torch, as you said. The second half of last season was so good - that was her actual exit storyline but it’s sad it amounted to nothing? I actually wish they had gone with Minnesota vs. the out of nowhere Zola thing, since they spent an entire year building to it and making a big deal out of it. And also it would’ve been way more powerful for Meredith to leave on her own accord for her own reasons (“I’ve earned the right to leave”) than a contrived reason they thought people would have less of an issue with.It just seems like they weren’t interested in telling story for her this season as much as trying to maneuver a way to have her exit without too much hubbub onscreen, and get to doing the show without her. As far as the Nick thing goes, maybe they just needed a thread to keep things a bit ~unfinished so they can have them reunite in the finale? It was literally stupid though.

Anyways, Meredith leaving is the main reason I’m not going to be tuning in weekly anymore but not the only one. I don’t really love where the stories are going, tbh. The sad thing is, I actually like the new interns quite a bit, and I think Lucas and Simone have cute chemistry along with Jules and Blue. Mika is cute comic relief. But I literally think the other stories all sort of suck right now. These are just my opinions -

Maggie/Winston - I don’t even know what to say about these two, my care factor is so low with them. I don’t root for them. Maggie hasn’t had a really good storyline since her mom died which sucks cause she’s so deeply tied to the lore of the show. Even with them trying to develop Winston, I find him SO boring.

JoLink - I hate that Jo isn’t a surgeon anymore. I thought they were going to correct that but then they backed out. I also really dislike them as a pairing, sadly, and they’ve been treading water for two seasons now. Shit or get off the pot. They’ve also turned Link into such a caveman when he started the show as a sweet, sensitive character.

Schmitt - Nice to see him be a mentor/bossing the interns around but they fumbled the only gay male storyline they’ve ever done on the show and there’s no new love interest or romantic storylines for him in sight? Please.

Teddy/Owen - Have more than ran their course as characters. That’s all.

Bailey/Richard - Love them obviously but they’re window dressing, especially Richard. He should’ve retired years ago, it’s laughable really.

Amelia - The only really, really good character left on the show and the one that gets all the best moments. She’s the main reason left to watch. But her love interest exists off screen, which is weird. And I’m always going to be mad at them for exploding Amelink for zero good reason.

This is where I am at too, and to top things off I was just completely uninvested with everything that was going on in the episode, so I think I'm done too. I may find myself binging at one point, but who knows.

Yeah, I can picture myself binging before Meredith is back, or during the summers after a full season has aired, or if not that then maybe doing a huge binge when the show finally decides to end. But weekly viewing? That chapter needs to close for me. Just on a personal level, I was 14 when this show started and I’m 31 now. It’s been my favourite thing on tv just as long. But it just feels like diminishing returns and disappointments now, there’s zero consideration towards loyal fans. It’s all about the Benjamins.
 
Really solid episode last night. It was a nice mix of medical stuff and some personal advancement, along with the right amount of comic relief. I love how much they're mixing up the dynamics and having different characters interact. Even among the interns, it was nice to get Simone and Blue on a case together and then Mika and Lucas together. I really liked Jules and Jo together, too. I'm excited about the intern party next week.

The main case really broke my heart, it was well written and acted, and it involved so many characters that it felt like a proper A story, versus just one of many. I did gag at how they casually mentioned where Nico has been. Bye, I guess!

Teddy getting chief was inevitable, but I like how they involved Bailey, Richard, and Amelia in the story for comedic relief. Again, it's just really nice to have all these interactions. Even Winston and Owen had a funny moment in the OR gallery while Link was operating. Plus, last night Kevin McKidd posted a current BTS pic that had all the interns, Jo, Link, Owen, Teddy, Winston, Bailey, and Addison – I'm very much here for more of these big group scenes.

Maggie is unbearable but I do low-key love that Winston is pulling zero punches with her.

The Jo/Link almost kiss was such a tease. They're definitely moving toward it again, though. I wonder if they're going to turn this patient's death into an actual ongoing storyline. It sort of seemed like it given the ending.

Overall it feels very much like a soft launch into the new era of Grey's, and I think they're pulling it off pretty well.
 
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If no Ellen (well, voice-over only Ellen) means more screen time for Jo (and we got a decent amount of Jo this week) then I'm happy. This week's episode was a cracker.

I'm glad that they haven't gone the route of choosing someone else to "lead" the show in Meredith's absence - I think an ensemble approach will work well, especially if every episode flows as well as this week did, having several characters interacting and storylines overlapping. Obviously screentime will ebb and flow (we got very little Schmitt this week) but I think this episode showed a lot of promise for the show going forward. And they did manage to give pretty much every character something to do, even if it was just comic relief.
 
I’ve not had a chance to catch up! How did they write him out?

He's the traveling surgeon for the Seattle Mariners, the same thing Link was doing before he came to Grey Sloan. Nico was his fellow at the time, so it makes sense. It was such a quick throwaway line from Link, though.

To be honest, I'm happy. Alex Landi is beautiful but he was never a great actor, and the relationship with Levi felt dead for quite a while. I'm hoping they introduce a new love interest for Schmitt in the second half of the season.
 
He's the traveling surgeon for the Seattle Mariners, the same thing Link was doing before he came to Grey Sloan. Nico was his fellow at the time, so it makes sense. It was such a quick throwaway line from Link, though.

To be honest, I'm happy. Alex Landi is beautiful but he was never a great actor, and the relationship with Levi felt dead for quite a while. I'm hoping they introduce a new love interest for Schmitt in the second half of the season.

I’m surprised it took them so long, and also that they didn’t even seem to attempt to make Nico more likeable to be honest.

Can they bring back the vaccine trial doctor for Levi?
 
I was thinking that, too! It'd be a nice little callback for Schmitt. Even if they decide to bring in someone totally new, I just want a decent gay love story. I'm hoping they don't just bring Nico back later this year. Schmitt deserves something better.

I imagine if they were that invested in their relationship they’d have locked the actor down as a series regular in the last season or two. Here’s to hoping Nico finds someone as emotionally stunted as himself!
 
When the 5 new intern news broke, it seemed one was about to be a love interest for Levi. Now we are in the middle of S19, I can firmly say none of them seems right...
There are already so many characters, I can't see adding another one for Levi.
If the want Owen to be interesting and relevant again, the Levi card would be very interesting ! (ok, never ever happening in this Solar system :lol )
 
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A cute new gay for Levi! With actual charisma!

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That was another pretty solid episode. Lots of fun moments, and I really like how connected everyone feels again. My biggest issue was that it almost felt like TOO much was going on, so aside from the stories that were at the forefront (Simone/Lucas/new guy + Maggie's case with Blue and Jules), everything else felt like it deserved more attention. That said... it's a good sign that I wanted to see more of everything! Particularly...

- Levi and the hot nurse! I wonder if they're using the 'traveling' angle to tell us that this is a one-off, but even if it was, it was nice to get to see Levi have something fun and easy for once. The makeout at the end made me very happy, I just wish we'd seen a little more buildup there. I hope we see him again.

- I wanted more Mika and Helm, too (and I used to hate Helm)! Did they go upstairs to hook up, or are they still just flirting?! It was hard to tell because they didn't get all that much screen time. But the dance with Lucas at the end was cute, and I really like Mika.

- Big moment in the Jo/Link story for Amelia to be basically giving Jo her blessing, but again I wish they'd had more screentime in the episode where that happened. That said, they've been getting a lot of focus lately and this story has been building for ages, so it's forgivable. I'm happy they're moving toward it.

Harry Shum was fantastic tonight, I think he may be my favorite of the new interns so far. Adelaide has been great in the last 2 episodes, too, though. Oddly, the Simone and Lucas coupling has probably been the intern story that I was least invested in, but their hook-up tonight (in Mer/Der's old room!) was pretty hot, and the way it got cut off made me feel terrible for him. I definitely didn't see her getting re-engaged so quickly, so I think the dynamic got significantly more interesting tonight.

Teddy and Owen had a few hilarious lines and I liked that they paired them with Bailey and Ben, but I'm ready for their marital drama to be over. I'd much rather they get back into the Leo storyline that seems to have been abandoned. And speaking of abandoned... Kai appearing via facetime twice in one episode when we've only seen them once so far this season just feels weird. What's the endgame there?!
 
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Looks like 19x11 and 19x12 are the "event" episodes of the season. Sounds like some kind of accident or assault in the new clinic? The idea of Addison being in a big two-part episode is really exciting. And I think one of these episodes is where Camilla posted about the entire cast filming together.

19x11 - "Training Day" - Addison makes a special appearance at Grey Sloan to welcome Bailey’s new OB/GYN trainees. Maggie’s lung transplant is derailed, and Nick bonds with Lucas — before the day takes a shocking turn.

19x12 - "Pick Yourself Up" - In the immediate aftermath of shocking events at the clinic, the hospital goes on lockdown and the Grey Sloan doctors split up to save multiple lives. Meanwhile, Maggie lands in hot water with Winston, and Jules’ roommate makes a surprise appearance.
 
Nick ? That Mer Nick ? What is he still doing there ?

Seems like he's sticking around, just in a more recurring capacity. He was in a video Kim Raver posted from set yesterday celebrating her birthday, and they're probably filming around episode 16/17 right now. Scott must have been really enjoying the experience to agree to sign on even with Ellen gone.
 
Of course next week is the episode I'm going to miss live and not be able to watch until the next night. It looks intense.



Solid episode again tonight, too. Nothing too crazy but it's moving in the right direction - Teddy and Owen apologizing, Catherine admitting her diagnosis to Richard, cute Jo/Schmitt friend scenes AND Schmitt asking out the hot nurse, lots of fun intern stuff + some good patient cases.

Of course this isn't the Grey's of a decade ago, but it was never going to be. I think they're doing a really good job of keeping it going, though.
 
Honestly, last night I was thinking that Maggie seemed like the most logical exit to free up space on the show now that Teddy had become chief (clearly she and Owen are staying put). The show needed to lose some long-running characters, and I don't want it to be Jo, Bailey, or Amelia, so I'm fine with this.

I'm wondering if they'll try to repair things with her and Winston and send them off together, or finalize their split and just have her go off on her own.
 

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