'Has X-factor lost it's sparkle?' -Metro article

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I reckon X Factor US will be cancelled, Simon will be back on the UK one next year for one last hurrah and then it'll be gone. Probably replaced by some other Cowell masterminded show.
 
Nice to see this thread has got some replies -all very good points, but interesting that no-one has mentioned extensive manipulation as a reason for the show's decline. It was already becoming an issue when John and Edward got pushed through the show, and got even uglier when the producers tried to force Katie Waissell (and had more success with Cher Lloyd) on an unsuspecting world. Even beyond the show, it seems obvious to me that Syco/Sony did not like Matt Cardle, and made no effort with his career. And from what I hear (I don't really watch) it seems that instead of a few ringers it is now all fixed so nearly everyone who makes it on to the live shows is someone SyCo wants to 'break'. I'm not interested in watching what amounts to and extended advert week after week selling me the industry's new crop of 'talent'. Apart from anything else it's an enormous slap in the face to the hordes of people who want to audition, talented or not, and think that they stand a chance.
 
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They should go back to basics and have 4 unknown people on the panel/ industry people.

This is part of the problem though, it really doesn't matter about the judges. The judges capture media attention, sure, if they have rivalry and such between them but what it does come down to is the singers in the competition. With the last few years there just has not been anyone that makes you really need to watch it. There's no need to watch it anymore, because I feel I've already seen it a million times and it's nothing I can't figure out a years time down the line when I see the winner struggle to release an album of commercial worth and the finalists release something of actual good quality.
 
The X Factor sparkle came in the form of Cheryl Cole and Dannii Minogue. Whether you liked them or not it was they who were on the front of the papers, had people chatting in work etc and as a result the acts got more attention as a knock on effect.
 
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I wish Dannii and Cheryl had never left. In the end though the format will become tired and dull whoever is on the panel and whoever the contestants are because we've seen it all before!
 
The biggest problem is that ITV has nothing to replace the X Factor with. Even if it's not the unstoppable ratings juggernaut it once was, it still makes them a hell of a lot of money, so it's pretty likely that it's going to stay on our screens until they find something new to substitute for it.

To be honest, I think it's had an amazing run and the audience has had remarkable staying power given how utterly stale the format is, and how many similar shows there out there.

The last series I properly watched was with Cher Lloyd/One Direction. I'm just not interested any more.
 
I think they should bring back fly on the wall programs like Popstars and Making the Band, although they were dramatised for entertainment purposes, they were a ratings hit all around the globe. And in my opinion they produced genuinely good acts, and to see that Girls Aloud, many some of Hear'say, Danity Kane, Nicole Scherzinger (she started out in a Popstars girl group) have all been successful.
 
I think the opposite: they could quite easily ditch the auditions and boot camp and just make the X Factor the ten live shows. At this point all the behind the scenes stuff is beyond repetitive. All the interest is in the live shows where everyone has at least a basic level of talent and the viewers can vote on who goes through.

If they want to get a buzz going before the live shows start they could always release audition videos online or put stories in the press for those who are interested.
 
I had a whole post typed up talking about the differences between the X Factor and The Voice and why the former is a success and the latter isn't, but I realised that all it really boils down to is this:

The X Factor has launched quite a few stars over its 10 year run. It started out as a singing competition and evolved into an entertainment competition. That's when they got it right. Leona Lewis was the culmination of the search for the voice. Everyone who has come after her, in terms of success off the back of the X Factor, has had to rely on more than just a voice to succeed. She set the bar so high that the show realigned itself in order to play in a different ball park - whether that was a conscious decision or just a coincidence, I don't know, but the reason Leon Jackson, Rhydian, Joe McElderry and others just like them failed, is because they were just singers. Alexandra Burke, JLS, Olly Murs, One Direction, Cher Lloyd, Little Mix... all these artists bring a mixture of other qualities to their performances - dancing, rapping, harmonies, whatever the case may be, they bring more...

The Voice, of course, is about finding the best voice possible, but the record buying public aren't interested in someone with just a good voice, unless it's a voice so phenomenal it can't be ignored, like Leona's - but even then, she's struggled in recent years. The X Factor is glamorous where The Voice isn't; The X Factor promotes the best all-rounders where The Voice just pushes for that person with the best voice.

Having said all of that; The X Factor's cult of personality surrounding its judges is what led to its mega-success and is now what is leading to its downfall... the judges that took it to that stratospheric level all left the show at the same time and the show has suffered enormously ever since.

I just want to highlight this about Leona Lewis, because I completely agree. It's interesting to see that after this was written, Leona went on X Factor to promote "One More Sleep" - gave the most visually entertaining (the christmas circus going on around her) that she's ever given to a wide audience and has since scored her biggest hit single in years.

It's interesting going back to the days of Popstars, with Hearsay and Liberty X, of course talent shows were nothing new, but this took it to a new level. But the success that the show had was crazy and then Pop Idol came and took it to an even greater level. The X Factor came along and at first just felt like a Pop Idol rip off, it really wasn't until 2008 when it came into its own and managed to do which at the time didn't think was possible and create more of a "moment" of a final when Alexandra won. The last time the nation was gripped like that was Will Young won Pop Idol and for me, Alexandra's win felt bigger than that.

I guess that is X Factor's problem, like it did in it's first few series, it's always trying to replicate moments that have happened before, but this isn't as gripping and so it's not must watch tv anymore, so audiences have turned off.

Maybe it's the way we as a nation watch TV nowadays as well. Catch-up has made it so much easier that an audience can think to themselves, "I'll watch it later", and then never get round to it, thus eventually losing them because they're not as invested into the programme.

Part of me thinks that maybe all we need is Britain's Got Talent, or maybe X Factor should follow its format so it's over in a matter of weeks instead of dragging on for months. I think part of the reason why I'm not invested in watching it anymore is the same as a show like Big Brother. I have a life, I don't want my free time taken up watching the same thing and feel restricted to the TV.
 
I think they should bring back fly on the wall programs like Popstars and Making the Band, although they were dramatised for entertainment purposes, they were a ratings hit all around the globe. And in my opinion they produced genuinely good acts, and to see that Girls Aloud, many some of Hear'say, Danity Kane, Nicole Scherzinger (she started out in a Popstars girl group) have all been successful.

I'd prefer this too; I'm more interested in how a group is formed than letting the great unwashed vote for who looks cute and who seems nice. The X Factor doesn't show us anything about the process of recording, and what it actually takes to create a 'star', it's all about the public vote, which, now more than ever, has been exposed to be completely un-indicative of what the buying public are interested in.
 
I'd prefer this too; I'm more interested in how a group is formed than letting the great unwashed vote for who looks cute and who seems nice. The X Factor doesn't show us anything about the process of recording, and what it actually takes to create a 'star', it's all about the public vote, which, now more than ever, has been exposed to be completely un-indicative of what the buying public are interested in.

Precisely - ITV and SyCo have now (on purpose or inadvertently) told us just about everything they know about how to launch (and then ruin) a potential popstar... so those of us hungry to learn about that side of things are left contemplating how a 'real' label does it... the main answer to satisfy us would be to ditch SyCo and come back with a slightly different talent show and a different label on board (and not like the pathetic PR exercise that The Voice has been)... stricter controls over finalists (white boys under the age of 20 should only ever be permitted if they're an acceptable winner, then we can avoid the constant attempts to shut gates after horses have bolted (see Nicholas McDonald, Eoghan Quigg et al).

But then that would be a niche show, not Saturday night entertainment?

And to completely argue against what I've just said, didn't American Idol try that last year (they destroyed the males, leaving an all-girl final 5, any of whom could have been popstars and.... the winner is possibly the least successful in their history?)
 
My major issue with X Factor, is that it is a totally cynical exercise in creating a successful tv show, there is absolutely zero interest in creating a viable pop star. We know that winning doesn't guarantee anything approaching a career in music, anything but. We're not invested because it doesn't matter who wins, in many case it hinders long term success.

Th choices for the final are horrendous, the musical choices are appalling and most contestants may be able to sing a bit but have absolutely no knowledge of music or what they want to be, the producers have even less idea.

The goal should not be to make it to Xmas and rake in ad revenue, it should be to genuinely search for a viable popstar and a serious focus (get rid of Syco) on making them a hit. Without this legitimacy the show will always be the shit shower it is now.
 
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She may well be least successful but she's the most amazing artist they've ever had. I'd rate her over Fantasia even though Fantasis is my favourite singer this century.

And to be fair her album hasn't even been released yet (Not that I'm expecting it to be a hit).
 
The way things are going, I can imagine the same thing happening to Candice Glover that happened to Melanie Amaro (aka album scrapped and getting quietly dropped) which would be a shame.
 
The show is at it's best for the UK market when the panel works, it's controversial, full of potential popstars, hate figures and joke acts with good song choices/big productions, and most importantly of all is overproduced and under rehearsed
 
My major issue with X Factor, is that it is a totally cynical exercise in creating a successful tv show, there is absolutely zero interest in creating a viable pop star. We know that winning doesn't guarantee anything approaching a career in music, anything but. We're not invested because it doesn't matter who wins, in many case it hinders long term success.

Th choices for the final are horrendous, the musical choices are appalling and most contestants may be able to sing a bit but have absolutely no knowledge of music or what they want to be, the producers have even less idea.

The goal should not be to make it to Xmas and rake in ad revenue, it should be to genuinely search for a viable popstar and a serious focus (get rid of Syco) on making them a hit. Without this legitimacy the show will always be the shit shower it is now.

It would be interesting to see for the viable pop star thing if they potentially did a rotation between a few of the labels under the Sony umbrella. So the record deals with a different label each year, letting them focus their energies on actually making someone a medium term success and not solely disregarding them when a new 'version' comes along.
 

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