How wonderful were The Cure?

Well I’m off to Wembley in just over a week and no sign of the new album yet. I’m actually now hoping it arrives to accompany the post Christmas comedown and bleak period of Jan & Feb.
 
Well I’m off to Wembley in just over a week and no sign of the new album yet. I’m actually now hoping it arrives to accompany the post Christmas comedown and bleak period of Jan & Feb.

Hopefully perfectionist Robert isn't still fiddling with it and it arrives soon, but then there's the months long wait for vinyl to be pressed...sigh.
 
Saw Rob n the guys last night. Epic. Three hour set, jam packed with his genius tunes and they could have played twice as long and still not included all the classics.
"From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" and “Trust” being my favourites, but “Burn” was a treat and “The Forest” sounded as grand as ever.

new songs also fitted in well, somewhat perched for the album now.
 
Potentially unpopular opinions, but:

I struggle to see why fans think Pornography is so much better than The Top; I feel the Top is actually a shade stronger musically if not in terms of influence and cultural impact. There are a few knock out songs on Pornography but to me, the album feels like the same song over and over, both melodically and sonically (I actually prefer Faith in terms of their earlier cohesive to a bit of a fault kind of albums). Whereas The Top is way more varied, has much better melodies (though I suppose that's not Pornography's goal), and is overall more musically complex and sophisticated. I also think it has better wordsmithing (it's definitely more witty). Wailing Wall is one of my favorite ever Robert Smith lyrics. I'm pretty amazed that Robert Smith managed to make such a great album while mostly drunk.

It is true that nothing on The Top has the impact of One Hundred Years but Shake Dog Shake comes pretty close.

Second unpopular opinion is that I think the new Cure songs sound very good but the lyrics look very basic and cliched on paper.
 
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Bloodflowers clicked for me a bit on my last listen, which was a few days ago. It has always been my least favorite The Cure album, with the exception of the immensely beautiful Out Of This World, because the melodies are weak and the songs all sound the same. But on this listen, I could actually hear the melodies better. They are very subtle and not strong per se, but they are stronger than I thought. It's really no worse than Pornography, Faith (one of my favorite Cure albums), or Seventeen Seconds in that regard. I think it's more of an issue for Bloodflowers though. Bloodflowers' instrumentals, which, this listen revealed, are extremely good but they sound like they should have quite melodious toplines. It's a very dreamy album. Pornography, Faith, or Seventeen seconds are so musically sparse and stark that too much melody would be very out of place. Not so with Bloodflowers.

But overall, it's a decent album. I used to think even 4:13 Dream was better but not anymore. I mean, 4:13 Dream does have more varied and cooked melodies than Bloodflowers, but the music and lyrics are definitely worse. 4:13 Dream is still pretty good though (even if it's a weak effort for a band as great as The Cure).

I also use to think Seventeen Seconds was worse than 4:13 Dream, but that opinion has changed too. Seventeen Seconds is one of the weaker The Cure albums because it doesn't really have that many fleshed out songs but my latest listen of that one revealed it to be quite an interesting effort. It's very notable how much the style changed from their debut and the masterpiece A Forest shows considerable growth. Plus, I think it's easily their creepiest album.

They really don't have a bad album IMO.

One thing: I have no idea why Pornography>Disintegration>Bloodflowers is considered a trilogy. None of these albums sound remotely the same and only Pornography is particularly dark. Bloodflowers sounds more like Wish than the other two in the so-called trilogy.

Seventeen Seconds>Faith>Pornography makes WAY more sense as a trilogy.

The Top>The Head On The Door>Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me also makes more sense (could even throw the underrated Wild Mood Swings in there to make a quadrilogy but I prefer the trilogy).
 
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With Cure albums I think it just comes down to personal taste but the only album that tops Pornography for me is Disintegration.
The Top is near the bottom of my album rankings, besides The Caterpillar and Shake Dog Shake it's a bit of a chore.
 
With Cure albums I think it just comes down to personal taste but the only album that tops Pornography for me is Disintegration.
The Top is near the bottom of my album rankings, besides The Caterpillar and Shake Dog Shake it's a bit of a chore.
Agreed. And also for me my favourites change by time of year, so varied is their catalogue. Wish & Kiss Me are often my most played ‘summer’ albums, Pornography, Disintegration those for autumn and winter. But The Top and their debut always feel too disjointed as albums and hardly get a listen.
 
Pornography will always be my favourite Cure album for the impact it had on my 18 year old self when I decided to get into the Cure in 2006, from the opening pounding drums and dark guitar riffs of One Hundred Years to the disturbingly dark title track, this album was my absolute mood piece and it still draws me in to this day.
The Top, however is an album I’ve barely been able to get through in one sitting and I never come back to, except for Dressing Up which I just love in all it’s weirdness. I do need to revisit this album though as I’m hoping it’ll click one day.
I really enjoy Bloodflowers, although having a 10+ minute song near the beginning of the album kind of derails the experience but The Last Day of Summer is one of my favourite Cure songs ever, I will say Spilt Milk should have been included on the album, one of the best songs from those sessions and for whatever reason left off.
 
I'm assuming Robert didn't make the vinyl deadline last year, for all we know he's still fiddling with the album?
Hopefully it's actually finished and on the vinyl line, I was thinking October/November this year now.
 
I'm assuming Robert didn't make the vinyl deadline last year, for all we know he's still fiddling with the album?
Hopefully it's actually finished and on the vinyl line, I was thinking October/November this year now.
I’ve started to think of the next Cure album the way I did about another MBV one, if it s add please we’re blessed but I’m not expecting it! And that’s even with songs played at th red gig. I would have included Blur but they’ve just confounded my expectations this week!
 
I'm assuming Robert didn't make the vinyl deadline last year, for all we know he's still fiddling with the album?
Hopefully it's actually finished and on the vinyl line, I was thinking October/November this year now.
I’ve started to think of the next Cure album the way I did about another MBV one, if it s add please we’re blessed but I’m not expecting it! And that’s even with songs played at th red gig. I would have included Blur but they’ve just confounded my expectations th
 
I'm assuming Robert didn't make the vinyl deadline last year, for all we know he's still fiddling with the album?
Hopefully it's actually finished and on the vinyl line, I was thinking October/November this year now.
I’ve started to think of the next Cure album the way I did about another MBV one, if its released then we’re blessed but I’m not expecting it! And that’s even with songs played at the gig. I would have included Blur as another artist like this but they’ve just confounded my expectations this week, so there is hope!
 
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Wasn't their new album supposed to come out late last year?
This album has been a long time coming, the last we heard over a year ago there were 2 albums, one dark and one happy, but there were 2 songs that still needed vocals, which wasn’t much different from the update the year before, so it was a bit like “why isn’t this ready yet?”
Since 4:14 Dream never materialised after the promising official statement from Robert Smith on the website, I’m inclined to think this could be a similar situation, until there’s an official announcement with preorders and a single out, my expectations are on the fence, the live versions sound good though!
He also mentioned a solo album too.
 
This album has been a long time coming, the last we heard over a year ago there were 2 albums, one dark and one happy, but there were 2 songs that still needed vocals, which wasn’t much different from the update the year before, so it was a bit like “why isn’t this ready yet?”
Since 4:14 Dream never materialised after the promising official statement from Robert Smith on the website, I’m inclined to think this could be a similar situation, until there’s an official announcement with preorders and a single out, my expectations are on the fence, the live versions sound good though!
He also mentioned a solo album too.
I wonder what the delay is? With the US tour it would have been a perfect time to release Songs Of A Lost World. Surely SOALW won't be another album never to surface. A new album long overdue. Their last was released in 2008. Come Robert & co pull your fingers out!
 
I’ve just seen this recent article with The Cure’s Reeve Gabrels

Going back to new music: What's the status of that being released? Can Cure fans expect a new album soon?
I would say it's imminent. [Laughs] Now whatever one considers imminent — even the band isn't sure because I think things evolve. Because we, in a way, committed what became a cardinal sin in the post-digital recording world, and even in the analog days, which was to play new songs live, where they could possibly be recorded or filmed. I mean, you can see five new songs on YouTube of varying quality. ... The live performance is affecting the mixes of the songs, because we tend to record every show, [and] if we want, we can actually use, like, one of Robert's guitar solos that he thinks is better than the guitar solo he did in the studio. ... I mean, I'm not sure if we're doing that yet, but we're aware that that possibility is there and that's kind of a new wrinkle to the art form. That's the upside of being able to have a traveling recording studio in a briefcase.
 
The three songs I heard (Alone was one of them and the best by far) had a Bloodflowers vibe but sounded a bit better and a bit darker. Alone specifically sounded much stronger than anything on that album save for Out Of This World.

Robert Smith said the new album is the gloomiest thing they've done but it doesn't sound that dark to me. I only think they have one truly dark album and that's Pornography. And boy is it fucking dark. But even Seventeen Seconds and Faith just feel melancholy. Same with Disintegration outside of a few moments.
 
The three songs I heard (Alone was one of them and the best by far) had a Bloodflowers vibe but sounded a bit better and a bit darker. Alone specifically sounded much stronger than anything on that album save for Out Of This World.

Robert Smith said the new album is the gloomiest thing they've done but it doesn't sound that dark to me. I only think they have one truly dark album and that's Pornography. And boy is it fucking dark. But even Seventeen Seconds and Faith just feel melancholy. Same with Disintegration outside of a few moments.
I was listening to Disintegration the other day and I agree the album is mostly melancholy, but there’s a 3 track run in the pits of the album where it feels especially dark, Prayers for Rain, Same Deep Water As You and Disintegration is an absolute moment of dark bliss. I just love how the album builds up to that moment.
Also agree Pornography is their darkest album, it’s relentless, I love it.

Also yes, I really hope Robert wraps up the album asap before he decides to shelve it for whatever reason, didn’t he shelve 4:14 Scream because the band members left so it wasn’t the same line up anymore?
 
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