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It's Gonna Be a Hot Rate : Monrose Discography Rate (Winner revealed!)

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by Vixen, May 23, 2016.

  1. Mr.Arroz

    Mr.Arroz Staff Member

    Put the gun down sis, we can ALL make it through this alive...
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  3. She's searching for a reason to end me.

    I'm not scared of you @Vixen.
  4. Some of you guys have been asking for it...

    Wondering why it was still there...


    28. 2 of a Kind

    Score: 7,435.

    Highest Score: 10 x 3 ( @tylerc904 , @Zdarlight , @Conan, )
    Lowest Score: 5 x 3 ( @Mr.Arroz , @Utopia , @Ghetto Princess )

    ‘2 of a Kind’ is an pop uptempo banger from their very first album ‘Temptation’. It would be the only uptempo song from their first album that ventures into a strictly pop/electro-pop territory instead of all the ‘RnB/Hip-Hop/Urban’ flavoured pop, if it wasn’t for ‘Push Up On Me’. Thank God for these two!
    It also somehow managed one of the ‘highest’ lowest score!

    Epic Chocolat compliments the production of the song as he says : "I like the bouncy beat." Bouncy sounds like the appropriate word in this case, yes. Maybe that’s why iheartpoptarts thought it sounded a bit like a hot mess : "Fun. But messy. But fun. " DJHazey doesn’t seem to appreciate the song as much as he thought he would, although he does admit it’s a bop : "It's nice bop for sure and it's definitely the kind of sound I'd like to hear from these ladies....but it's not mind-blowing either. The only part sticking with me at all is when they deliver those commanding lines in the chorus prior to the "2 of a Kinds" (which sound uninspired and generic). The whole thing is actually pretty generic but pleasant enough at the same time. "

    Sprockrooster asks "What a monster of a beat. I love it. Who is producing it? " Dieter Falk – which was a judge on the season of Popstars the girls won, Mozarts & Friends – which produced a remix of ‘Hot Summer’, as well as a ‘Push Up On Me’, and a few others. No big names, basically. HOWEVER, it was actually written by GARY BARLOW! Yes, from Take That fame. plasticFANTASTIC actually mentions him in his comment: "Remember when gary barlow ripped off maneater? No? Me neither. But apparently he wrote this and you know, the top lines do sound like they should be sung by a guy. Very Justin Timberlake-lite. The production is of course Timbaland on a budget. I used to hold this track in high regard back when the album came out thinking it was single-wrothy. It's okay " Justin Timberlake? Really? Is there anyone else who agrees with this?

    Finally, tylerc904 speaks the truth about the song and why it is so appreciated within the context of the album : "Thank GOD for this. The album is truly dire. "

    Last edited: Jul 16, 2016
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  5. Mr.Arroz

    Mr.Arroz Staff Member

    I don't remember it, I_CANNOT_USE_REAL_WORDS_PROPERLY_.
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  6. Hooray, one off the hit list.
  7. Noooo what a bop!!!!!! Vanilla dad-pop writer Gary Barlow delivered the goods on a killer uptempo for the first time since like 1995.
  8. When I rate, I sort all the songs into one big list of descending amazingness from my 11 all the way to the 0s. That way I make sure I haven't overrated any good songs on mediocre albums or anything!

    Just saying...
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  9. It's about damn time that one goes! Yes, it's a breath of fresh air on that particular album, but it's still not nearly on a level that a lot of their material is on.
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  10. I don't know. I feel like sometimes "context" is really important. Taking a track off the album it was released, off the period of time it was released on, the backstory, etc truly strips it away from its essence in my opinion.

    (Although, I'm not looking to start a debate on this. It was just my little thoughts! Let me get ready for the next elimination! GUESS AWAY GUYS. )
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  11. Like a Lady for want, Mono for think.
  12. So these same guys wanted '2 of a Kind" out...

    But they also named a few other tracks...


    27. Even Heaven Cries

    Score: 7,391.

    Highest Score: 10 x 3 ( @Mr.Arroz , @TrainJumper , @DJHazey )
    Lowest Score: 3 x 1 ( @Utopia )

    "Even Heaven Cries" is a pop track penned by Robbie Nevil, Lauren Evans, Philip Denker, Jonas Jeberg, and Jens Lumholt for the group's debut studio album, Temptation. In January 2007, it was announced that either "Your Love Is Right Over Me," "Even Heaven Cries," or "Push Up on Me" would be the next single and Starwatch (the girls’ label) started a poll on the girls official website asking the fans to decide. "Even Heaven Cries" finished first with 47% of all votes and was eventually chosen as the group's second single.

    The song also served as the albums's competition song in the pre-selection show of the 52nd Eurovision Song Contest 2007, but to get a better result than the album version (which was mixed in a rush obviously because they wanted to release the album quickly after they won the show), the girls re-entered in the studios with Thorsten Brötzmann to re-record several parts of the song. Either way, Monrose entered the competition on 8 March 2007 with "Even Heaven Cries," and although considered as early favourites by the media, the band only received 20 per cent of all 900,000 phonevotes and eventually finished second, failing against swing singer Roger Cicero and his song "Frauen regier'n die Welt."

    Meanwhile, "Even Heaven Cries" peaked at number 6 on the German Singles Chart and within the top 20 in Austria and Switzerland

    Let’s see what DJHazey, one of the biggest supporter and defender of the song, has to say as he starts this thing off with his commentary : "Hm "Even heaven cries...everybody cries" works on so many levels and of course I love the mini breakdown at "afraid of what you feel inside", which is spellbinding. The pre-chorus is heavenly and the harmonizing throughout is off the charts! " Well, that’s certainly very nice of you. Sadly, Sprockrooster seems to think that lyric is a tad too overdramatic : "A bit too over the top and dramatic song title, but the song is alright. " Don’t worry, at least Totto agrees with you Don Juan : "Another sad track they did well, nice emotional display. Like the title too. "

    A few of you iheartpoptarts discussed the production. Iheartpoptarts belongs to the one praising it : "There’s something very Darkchild circa 2000 about the instrumentation here. I approve. " However, Rob is "glad they didn't pursue this sound much further, pure cheese." Woopsie! It does sound like something from 2000 indeed, but that’s exactly why it sound dated a tad. On the other hand, beloved GhettoPrincess concentrated on the vocals instead, despite finding a weakness to the song : "Love the backing vocals and production for this but it loses a few points for the chorus which seems to drag slightly despite the vocals being top notch. "

    So before we continue any further, let me tell you one thing. ESC stands for Eurovision Song Contest. Got it? Okay, here we go. TrainJumper says "The ESC version makes this so much better, but it's the live version with Mandy's adlips at the end which makes it for me. " Yes, Mandy’s ad-libs are great on this. She really brought the performance up because Senna was off-key for the ENTIRE THING. Sadly, not everyone of you were so nice with Mandy – well especially plasticFANTASTIC who says "I always thought the album version sounded a bit pedestrian, but the single mix they did for the ESC preselection really gave it a much needed kick up the arse. It's cheesy, true, but the melody and the orchestral flourishes work well with the soulful harmonies and urban beat. I should be more harsh on the track that almost derailed their career. Mandy bawling on TV after not getting through the ESC finals is still hilarious after all these years. " I_CANNOT_USE_REAL_WORDS_PROPERLY_! Poor her! She was still only 16 then, the poor girl, come on! Finally, Txetxu concludes : "I vividly remember the moving furniture in the Eurovision selection. Cheap galore, but the song is lovely. "

    Last edited: Jul 13, 2016
  13. Mr.Arroz

    Mr.Arroz Staff Member

    Beautiful track. Sadness!
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  14. I really like 2 Of A Kind but I'm probably biased because of who wrote it.

    Even Heaven Cries is another song I underscored looking back. Their vocals are really good on it.
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  15. I might have underscored it as well.

    I do think it was the right time to go. I mean, I would place it above our next elimination (#26), but #25 is an absolute favorite of mine, so I wouldn't allow it.
  16. I still didn't got around doing my commentary, and the latest two eliminations would definitely have been commented on.

    I can't believe "2 Of A Kind" is out already. It was the song that kept me interested in them, despite the (for me) disastrous outcome of the final band members. It's very 2006, with the "Maneater" sound, as mentioned before. And that The Dome performance always makes me smile. They still look so unsure and stiff. It's one of the few "Temptation" songs I come back to regularly.

    Regarding "Even Heaven Cries", I liked it, but thought it was a bit too similar to "Shame". Also, that voting for the second single was quite unfair, as "Even Heaven Cries" debutetd during the Popstars season, so more people were already familiar with it. Looking back, it's funny that it reaching #6 was considered a flop. Most of the Popstars bands that followed barely scraped the Top 10 with their debut single, let alone a second release.
    In the end, them losing the preselection was probably for the best. Just look at what happened to No Angels one year later. Maybe they might not had recorded "Hot Summer" and what a sad side effect would that have been?
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  17. Good riddance!

    I like those songs, but they really overstayed their welcome in this rate and I would have been furious had they been the reason that other, better tracks from their later albums would've been axed instead.

    The Top 25 is gonna be all killer, no filler I bet.
  18. Even Heaven Cries is great, it's out a bit early in my eyes.
  19. Even Heaven Cries is amazing and should've been Top 20/Top 15. I didn't know any of the ESC and other history about it, but I just fell in love with it instantly. "Even Heaven Cries, Everybody Cries" is pop hook 101, but it still does it perfectly.

    What You Don't Know out at #25, hmmm no I won't allow that.
  20. What a strange choice for a song contest. I like it, but it's not exactly the sort of thing that gets your attention, you know?
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