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kiokiokio

kiokiokio

Kaz D'Oerba said:
To the GP, Little Mix had very much been “The trio plus Jesy” for quite some time. My husband is a very casual Little Mix listener and I remember him commenting a few years ago how Jesy just seemed like she was…there.
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I would have to disagree with this. As much as I dislike Jesy for what's gone on this year, I wouldn't discredit her status in Little Mix pre 2021. There was a huge outpouring of love for Jesy, especially after her documentary. Just a shame she's gone down this route.
 
Kaz D'Oerba

Kaz D'Oerba

kiokiokio said:
I would have to disagree with this. As much as I dislike Jesy for what's gone on this year, I wouldn't discredit her status in Little Mix pre 2021. There was a huge outpouring of love for Jesy, especially after her documentary. Just a shame she's gone down this route.
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People loving Jesy and people noticing she wasn’t as close as the other three are not mutually exclusive.
 
bestinase

bestinase

I feel a little uncomfortable basing assumptions on the group's inner working or looking for retroactive "the signs were always there!!" via youtube compilations and ~shady moments~ stan videos.

These girls were together all day long for the best part of a decade doing endless bits of exhausting video interviews, quizzes about their favourite colour with fucking idiotic radio hosts, touring, recording, doing photoshoots, etc etc. Like any job, people are going to have days where they're completely over it, and for Jesy with everything she's gone through in terms of her mental health journey that's certainly going to be more pronounced when it comes to combing through archive footage.

For the vast majority of their career they were clearly really close and got on, because it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did otherwise and there's no way they would have survived all the touring and promo. The wheels came off towards the end obviously and Jesy's now doing.. this nonsense, but it doesn't mean the relationship was secretly sour for the bulk of their time together.
 
eatyourself

eatyourself

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People in this thread bringing up "Little Mix's legacy" as if anyone outside of pop forums gave it a single second of thought. Do not overestimate Jesy's impact - unless she keeps on fucking up the same way and getting the same amount of coverage, most people won't remember who she is in a month's time.
 
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scottdisick94

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Nah, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Little Mix’s image as the four best friends that anyone could have! is a little tarnished in light of the last year’s events. I say this as someone who believed the narrative for most of that time, by the way. Which is fine! They definitely were super close and got along exceptionally well for a pop band, otherwise they wouldn’t have lasted ten years. But yeah, I guess it wasn’t quite as happy families as it may have seemed, and was probably slightly more profesional / colleague-ish then we were led to believe.
 
scottdisick94

scottdisick94

Raichu said:
I mean, you could say that the friendship narrative has been tarnished a bit, but that's different from legacy.
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I guess so, but I think the friendship was so intertwined with the legacy for a while. Like, it’s undeniable that the friendship and the total lack of drama was a big part of their selling point for the general public.

But it’s all good! The three of them are thriving and nothing can take away from the bops that they do have and the bond that does still exist. The legacy is still solid - just changed a bit.
 
claire_louise

claire_louise

bestinase said:
I feel a little uncomfortable basing assumptions on the group's inner working or looking for retroactive "the signs were always there!!" via youtube compilations and ~shady moments~ stan videos.

These girls were together all day long for the best part of a decade doing endless bits of exhausting video interviews, quizzes about their favourite colour with fucking idiotic radio hosts, touring, recording, doing photoshoots, etc etc. Like any job, people are going to have days where they're completely over it, and for Jesy with everything she's gone through in terms of her mental health journey that's certainly going to be more pronounced when it comes to combing through archive footage.

For the vast majority of their career they were clearly really close and got on, because it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did otherwise and there's no way they would have survived all the touring and promo. The wheels came off towards the end obviously and Jesy's now doing.. this nonsense, but it doesn't mean the relationship was secretly sour for the bulk of their time together.
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This. Personally, I don't buy that there were longstanding issues, and no amount of over-analysing old clips and interviews will convince me otherwise. We always knew that Jesy disliked certain aspects of the job and by her own admission could be difficult to please.

All I'm taking from recent events is that clearly the wheels came off earlier than we first thought and that a lot went on that we don't know about. However, that doesn't mean all four girls weren't incredibly close for the majority of their time together.
 
Matgo

Matgo

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Erm, they're right though?

I mean, their output might not be tarnished, and their impact might not be tarnished. But they're a group that has been a beacon of friendship and female empowerment for the last ten years, so it doesn't exactly help their brand? No members falling out over a jacket, nobody climbing out of a toilet window to escape, no 'get well soon Geri's' - for a long time LM have been held up as an example of how girlband's should work, and from an industry perspective, so much of the goodwill they've worked hard to earn over the last ten years is built on that.

Does it all reflect most badly on Jesy? Of course. But she was a vital member of this band for nine out of the ten years the band has been together, and so such a big, public fallout - regardless of who is at fault - might not tarnish their overall impact, but of course it tarnishes their messaging, and their 'M.O' that they've meticulously built over ten years. I'd hazard a guess that this is precisely why the band aren't engaging in the 'feud' and it's currently quite one sided - they realise that regardless of rights or wrongs, public fallouts don't help a brand that's been built largely on the notion of female friendship. Especially when you consider that the vast majority of public won't be picking up nuance on a forum, but getting this information from the sidebar of shame, or The Sun or Heat Magazine or whatever.
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But the original post was referring to the performance of Jesy's single tarnishing Little Mix's reputation, not any of the above.
 
Drew

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storm said:
Erm, they're right though?

I mean, their output might not be tarnished, and their impact might not be tarnished. But they're a group that has been a beacon of friendship and female empowerment for the last ten years, so it doesn't exactly help their brand? No members falling out over a jacket, nobody climbing out of a toilet window to escape, no 'get well soon Geri's' - for a long time LM have been held up as an example of how girlband's should work, and from an industry perspective, so much of the goodwill they've worked hard to earn over the last ten years is built on that.

Does it all reflect most badly on Jesy? Of course. But she was a vital member of this band for nine out of the ten years the band has been together, and so such a big, public fallout - regardless of who is at fault - might not tarnish their overall impact, but of course it tarnishes their messaging, and their 'M.O' that they've meticulously built over ten years. I'd hazard a guess that this is precisely why the band aren't engaging in the 'feud' and it's currently quite one sided - they realise that regardless of rights or wrongs, public fallouts don't help a brand that's been built largely on the notion of female friendship. Especially when you consider that the vast majority of public won't be picking up nuance on a forum, but getting this information from the sidebar of shame, or The Sun or Heat Magazine or whatever.
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Friendship and female empowerment doesn't mean you can't ever have a disagreement with another woman. Falling out with Jesy doesn't negate what they've stood for.
 
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