Joker: Folie À Deux

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Marketing adds to the cost of the film, and don’t forget theaters take a cut. To make a profit it needs to surpass all of this. Forbes is reporting it had a $119 million worldwide opening weekend, which was not a great start, and it’ll get worse because of the bad press/word of mouth.

The stans of the first film were also never really on board with this. There was a thread with a meme saying it was going to surpass Deadpool x Wolverine over the summer and the entirety of the thread mocked this and said they were not going to watch it so it never had a chance with the fans of the first one.
 

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I mean, I hated the first one and was all resigned to begrudgingly watch this, until the reviews came out and confirmed it was another disaster and I skipped it. I imagine I’m not the only Gaga fan to do that. The audience who liked the first one are the kind to be generally wary of any follow-ups that looks set to subvert their beloved originals, so I also wouldn’t be shocked if they were turned off from the jump. I think they grossly miscalculated how much built in fanbase they had going into it and the negative reviews were the final nail.
 
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I’m not sure there’s actually much correlation between people who will stream music/buy merch for an artist and buying tickets to a movie they’re in.

Music and movies are just completely different, I don’t think that many people tend to go see a movie for one actor in particular.

I’m not saying seeing people you know/like in a movie doesn’t make you more inclined to buy a ticket but it’s very rarely going to be the only factor.
 

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I’m not sure there’s actually much correlation between people who will stream music/buy merch for an artist and buying tickets to a movie they’re in.
A Star is Born did really well and House of Gucci was like one of the highest grossing adult dramas coming out of Covid, so her audience will come when it’s relevant. But when it’s a sequel to a film much of her audience might not have seen, and you have a month lead up hearing she’s underutilised, I don’t think it’s surprising.
 
ASIB’18 had really good reviews and press though. My memory of House of Gucci overall is hazy but people were already buzzing for Gaga‘s next film because of ASIB’18, and then it sorta petered out.
 
I don't want to be the kind of person who celebrates someone's failures, but I really hope this means Gaga becomes more discerning about the projects she takes on. Cher's acting career was successful because she was going for great scripts, not blockbusters.
I think she'd be great in something understated and romantic like Moonstruck.
 
I read that this needed to make around $450M to break even and, obviously, more than that to make any profit for the studio. So, yeah, it's a massive flop. They expected it to approach $1B globally, no doubt. So to go from expecting around a $500M profit to losing money is about as shit as it gets.
I don't want to be the kind of person who celebrates someone's failures, but I really hope this means Gaga becomes more discerning about the projects she takes on. Cher's acting career was successful because she was going for great scripts, not blockbusters.

Personally I wasn't a fan of the 1st movie, but I don't think she just went after this because it was going to be big. Obviously that was part of the appeal, but I imagine she was genuinely excited to play the character. And the first movie was an Oscar-winner, so she likely saw this as a big awards contender, too.
 
I imagine she was excited to act opposite Joaquin and intrigued by the part, she's obviously attracted to complicated characters. And yes, being a sequel to a billion dollar movie probably didn't hurt.

Deadline says Terrfier 3 might knock this off the top spot in the box office.
 
Gaga’s movie career is overly curated, with an active focus on the prestige of her (usually white, male) collaborators and her chances at a Best Actress win.

The best thing she could possibly do is just look for a great script, Oscar prospects be damned, rather than a mediocre script ‘but hey it’s okay because this movie will certainly be in the conversation for awards next year.’
 
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Seeing this on Saturday with a bunch of Little Monsters. Mess.

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I saw it yesterday. It wasn't offensively bad, but it wasn't good either.

Things I liked:
- The performances were good.
- The opening segment.
- The ending.

Things I didn't like:
- The editing was jarring in some places.
- We don't learn anything new about Arthur and he doesn't really evolve.
- Lee was undercooked as a character and all over the place.
Sometimes it felt like she was part of Arthur's delusions, but then it's implied it really happened. I'm not talking about the fantastical musical scenes, but scenes like that moment in his cell or when she visits him later on in the prison at the court. She also makes the frontpaper while trying to escape with Arthur. And then she's at the asylum voluntarily and she can come and go as she wants. There's no way the guards or the police would allow her to visit Arthur.
 

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