Katy Perry - "I'm His, He's Mine" + 143 (Sep 20)

Her form of empowerment has always felt very pageant-y to me. It's all very much "bad stuff is sad, world peace is good, and women are really cool." I can see why little kids would connect with empowerment themes as simple as those but they don't work when her audience is fully grown.

Her self empowerment anthems are soccer mom staples tho…
 
I've been listening to Last Friday Night a lot recently. It has such a beautiful airiness to it that not a lot of pop stars can serve. Interestingly, I feel like cuts like these are more inline with what's happening in pop these days (Chappell etc...) rather than the Becky Hill redux she's going to release this week.
 
I've been listening to Last Friday Night a lot recently. It has such a beautiful airiness to it that not a lot of pop stars can serve. Interestingly, I feel like cuts like these are more inline with what's happening in pop these days (Chappell etc...) rather than the Becky Hill redux she's going to release this week.

You’re right, Red Wine Supernova has more than a dash of both One Of The Boys and Teenage Dream Katy whimsy.
 
Went to download a Lifetimes leak out of curiosity to avoid giving her and Dr Puke my £0.0001 Spotify stream and was cruelly tricked into downloading Woman’s World…

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I get that it's tiring seeing this thread just go in same old circles with us saying over and over again how terribly this era has been handled because... it's just so damn obvious! What other popstar in recent memory had the recipe for their comeback handed to them and then fucked it up so badly? I can't even wallow in this awful single package's failure because despite her major fuck-ups I do still hold a lot of sentimental value towards Katy nn.

She's always been kind of rough around the edges in a way that made her feel just slightly more real and authentic compared to other popstars. Having mean (and absolutely mental) religious parents just pushed that likeability even more for me. That (possibly fake?) story about them calling her satanic to their friends after she had made it has always been just so sad to me. I hate hate hate the word relatable but that's how I always felt about her! So to see this campaign in shambles and for her to release the music that is so against all her strengths as a popstar, songwriter and personality just makes me want to punch the wall every time I visit this thread nn
 
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Dated, desperate, and dead eyed bops didn't stop Kim Petras from booking an arena tour!

I agree with what you're saying but I do think a huge boon to Kim's continued success is her actually being part of the queer community. While we've discussed the optics and deeper inner workings here of that Luke partnership, it's a lot easier to hand wave away for most gay people in particular (regardless of whether it should be!) because they feel like they're going up for one of our own. Katy hasn't seen that same grace given to her yet, so the nostalgia train you mentioned is the only way I see success for her on a larger scale this era. That and apathy, as stated.
 
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I agree with what you're saying but I do think a huge boon to Kim's continued success is her actually being part of the queer community. While we've discussed the optics and deeper inner workings here of that Luke partnership, it's a lot easier to hand wave away for most gay people in particular (regardless of whether it should be!) because they feel like they're going up for one of our own. Katy hasn't seen that same grace given to her yet, so the nostalgia train you mentioned is the only way I see success for her on a larger scale this era. That and apathy, as stated.

I mean, yeah. My main point is that most of the time people just don't care about the stuff we care about on here. Like it doesn't matter that there's better pop music out there because Katy isn't appealing to people who have that level of discernment in what they consume. I think she would get the same level of grace as Kim if she was just releasing bops, which is where songs like "Lifetimes" come in.
 
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Her vocals sound HORRID.
Demi (2014) levels of unpleasantly processed yelling. Good lord.

Assuming this is real - and even if it isn't! - it proves to me that Luke should never, ever, ever attempt house-inspired music ever again. The instrumentals are always too flat while the vocals are tinny and sharp. Even the clips she's posted herself have this problem.
 
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I think the hardest thing about era, Teenage Dream is up there with my favorite songs ever and evokes such a joyful time in my life, I really felt for her during Witness and Smile (bar the single) was undeservedly unappreciated, she knew enough back when recording Witness when she worked with Max Martin and not Luke at all for Witness so why return now?

Previously I just thought her team were disastrous for single choices, Tucked & Cry About It Later should of been singles over Smile/Not The End Of The World...in fact Tucked should of been pushed instead of Small Talk which killed all momentum for the album.

Witness had Roulette as the obvious single instead of Hey, Hey, Hey and closing the era with Act My Age could of brought some nostalgia and a sneak hit to a unjust badly received era (I´ll die on that hill that Chained & Bon Appetit are two of her best).

Prism had Walking On Air which is everything Lifetimes is trying to be and NO Luke, Legendary Lovers should of been the 2nd single over Uncle De Sean.

Her team really starting messing with Prism, it was still huge but Birthday was retreading old ground and This Is How We Do is such a flat end to the era, and to release in summer when Walking On Air could of been a huge summer hit especially in Europe, with Legendary Lovers with Dark Horse preceding it back to back would of been made the era much bigger than it already was.

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But then again...she said said this back in 2017, so...trash

Katy Perry felt upset after learning of an allegation that she was raped by Dr. Luke — a claim she has since denied — according to an unsealed deposition from the ongoing legal battle between Luke and Kesha.

In the court documents obtained by PEOPLE and first published by The Blast from her fully unsealed deposition, which took place on July 21, 2017, the “Pendulum” singer, 34, stated that after learning of Kesha’s allegations that the music producer had raped the “Praying” singer, she “felt pressure” to support Kesha.

“I felt pressured, but I also knew both of them and a lot of people did not. So it was easy for them to be disattached and support an idea rather than an actual instance,” she said.

Perry went on to share that during that time, she received numerous angry Twitter messages from users who believed that by not speaking out against Dr. Luke she was “supporting rape.”

“People were generally very angry at me for not saying anything,” she said.

Asked why she made the decision not to work with Luke on her most recent album Witness, Perry said she didn’t want it to seem like she was “picking a side.”

https://people.com/music/katy-perry...rt-kesha-against-dr-luke-unsealed-deposition/
 
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Eh, "Last Friday Night" is the only Teeange Dream single that hasn't aged well for me. Pretty much every song on Chappell's album is better than "Last Friday Night."

And some of y'all keep throwing these basic house allegations around pretending like you didn't love "Walking On Air." It's fine. You don't have to like anything he produced. But at least pretend to have some integrity. "Lifetimes" sounds no less basic from a production standpoint than any of her best singles (ETA: except "Bon Apetit").
 
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Eh, this is the only Teeange Dream single that hasn't aged well for me. Pretty much every song on Chappell's album is better than "Last Friday Night."

And some of y'all keep throwing these basic house allegations around pretending like you didn't love "Walking On Air." It's fine. You don't have to like anything he produced. But at least pretend to have some integrity.
Katy doesn't, so why should we?
 
I mean … I was just stanning a Dr. Luke song in my post.

Loving Walking On Air does not equate me loving every pop-house song ever recorded. Anyway, let’s wait for the full song tonight.

It wasn't just you. It was Andy too. Katy's songs have always sounded very compressed. Not just Puke's, but also Max's if we're being honest. Stargate said they made "Firework" from an MP3 mix.
 
Well what are you expecting? The song sounds totally devoid of any personality and depth. Katy sounds checked out whilst singing it and the lyrics are bad even for her. And that's without taking into consideration who produced it. We've heard enough to be able to make a sound enough judgment.
Comparing it to Walking On Air is a really bad move when the former actually has some bite to it. It shows Katy is actually capable of doing this sound well, and she has failed (in so many ways)
She's chucked away her morals, integrity and good will for a song that is reminiscent of a bowl of soggy muesli.
 

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