Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by Jono, Jul 14, 2009.
If so then perhaps we need to reevaluate.
"I Don't Want It All": Aaron Jennings (Lil Aaron) , Dr. Luke, Henry Russel Walter (Cirkut) & Kim Petras
"Hills": Brandon Hamlin, Dr. Luke, Ethan "Baby E" Lowery & Kim Petras
"Hillside Boys": Jon Castelli, Dr. Luke, Aaron Joseph & Kim Petras
"Slow It Down": ????
All of her songs are amazing and she's definitely stan worthy but GOD why is she working with him?
I'm in two minds about the Luke affiliation. On one hand, yes, nobody should be working with him after everything that went down with Kesha. But on the other hand, if this is what it takes for a trans popstar to break into the mainstream then..... I don't know.
That's sort of how I feel.
On one hand, he's disgusting and I'd prefer no one work with him.
On the other hand, she's a brand new artist who is trans which puts her at a very significant disadvantage. Getting producers/a team to buy into her is going to be extremely hard compared to any cishet struggling pop star so I completely understand why she would take what she can get, even if it's him. Like, would any of her songs have gotten any buzz if they didn't have a big name connected to them along with that music video (that he most likely utilized his connections to get done)?
It makes me angry that artists are put into that position, especially ones that are part of vulnerable populations. All we can really hope for is that someone sees the buzz that she's getting & she can work with other people in the future. She has a huge amount of potential.
I'm not sure how I feel about Luke connection.
The fact that the first artist he's willingly put his name on the credits of post-trial is a trans/queer artist is... interesting. Maybe a bit of a manipulative way to avoid criticism, but then again saying that totally discredits her as an artist within herself, which isn't fair at all.
For what it's worth, if you were to avoid all pop music with a Luke connection, you'd have to avoid a lot of artists beyond stuff Luke does himself. Prescription Songs (which unlike Kemosabe, Luke still owns, as far as I know) has some of the biggest up-in-coming songwriters and artists in the game right now. Emily Warren, Allie X, Lil Aaron, Lauv, J Kash - off the top of my head.
Where do you draw the line when a giant amount of the industry is connected through Luke? I'm really not sure.
So... yeah, this is Luke trying to attempt some sort of comeback. Mess.
Regardless of his intentions, his involvement won't stop me from supporting Kim, who is amazing.
I didn't realise Kim was trans. I'm really excited for her!
This just really hit me today. What a sexual ass bop, I so stan this girl now.
Eh, this is hard to really support only because of how close they seem intertwined.
It's important not to favor social justice rhetoric when it's removed from material realities. Like, I don't think any anger should be aimed at her, more-so at the industry, because Dr. Luke is essentially a cancer and his web of resources is indicative of just how much the system is built to benefit powerful privileged men, especially powerful privileged men who are abusive.
But to change those systems, you really essentially have to tear them down, not just diversify them or put a new face to them. A trans woman protege to Dr. Luke is still a protege to someone who is accused of being abusive and a rapist. It's made even more insidious when the parties in question - Dr. Luke, Kim's management - are aware and actively involved in exploiting the goodwill towards social justice ideology and actions for the benefit of Luke himself, like in that article. Again, no ill will to her and she should feel free to get her coins, but any framing of this as socially progressive ends up feeling hollow when you look at the price tag of "Produced by an alleged rapist".
Why does everything sounds so thin and flat?
I Don't Want It at All is a major fuck yas.
4/4 bops, but Hills is the one.
@Slice of Life come enjoy these XCX-lite bops x
Thanks for the tag, @Petty Mayonnaise bb.
Okay I'm already ready to stan. She's incredible.
Well I've scrobbled ha 85 times in the last 24 hours, so I guess we decided to stan.
Hillside Boys is such a fantastic song, there’s something so nostalgic to 80s melodies in the hook!
The Dr Luke association is disgusting but Kim is really serving us bops....
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