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I think memes are very inside-fandom, but something like "Best Social Media / Viral Idols" could work. It's basically the same thing, right?
No but seriously... Do we want Worst categories?
I did say I love mess, but I don't know about that.
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ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
@Glitterizer yes, that’s basically what I was thinking so that name works.
Personally I don’t want negative categories as it will be enough to deal with the disappointing scores some of my faves will be thrown.
Personally I don’t want negative categories as it will be enough to deal with the disappointing scores some of my faves will be thrown.
Added the following categories to the poll:
Best English / Japanese Song
Most Underrated Nugu Group / Soloist
Best Debut
Best Social Media / Viral Idols
(this is a good time for y'all to start posting FYCs for all categories of both side rates!)
Also added the individual Team Playlists to the first page:
Team Flame Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
Team Sweet Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
Team Tears Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
Most Underrated Nugu Group / Soloist
Best Debut
Best Social Media / Viral Idols
(this is a good time for y'all to start posting FYCs for all categories of both side rates!)
Also added the individual Team Playlists to the first page:
Team Flame Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
Team Sweet Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
Team Tears Playlist | Apple Music | Spotify
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Hmm anyway here’s my FYC for the GG Choreo Slayer category lol
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Apparently it's OK for everyone in this sub-forum to thirst over male idols, post said male idols' chest, ass, arms, etc in gifs, in previous Rate threads, in previous Readers' Polls threads, but if I want to make a fun little unserious game out of it then it's too far. The puritan council decided that this will not stand, so I was told to remove the "specific body parts" session of the side rate. My god, won't somebody think of how these poor grown men will be so upset that a couple dozen f-words on a pop music forum are fawning over the body parts that they work so hard on and love to show off on stage with a cheeky smile for the unison scream of thousands of girls!
No, I will not hear a word about "b-but what if we were rating female singers tits??". Well, guess what? Men and women are not the same. They don't have the same lives, they don't experience the same oppressions, their social roles and power levels are not the same. The weight of the gay male gaze on (assumedly) straight men is NOT comparable to the weight of the straight male gaze on women. So to even think about pulling that card here is just... It's giving "reverse racism".
Not to mention that this entire rate is first and foremost focused on celebrating these men's artistic output, we aren't dudes in 2004 complimenting Britney's tits while thinking she's a dumb bimbo. I didn't even want to add any negative/worst categories to the other poll. Funny how everyone turns a blind eye to the massive hate and jokes and pile ons and "heterophobia" jokes on someone like Ed Sheeran, but then the one part of PopJustice that actually celebrates and uplifts male artists is subject to this... intervention.
But you know what? That's fine. I can understand how some people might look at the thing and raise an eyebrow, I really can. But in the end it's still a poorly considered knee-jerk reaction based on fear of the ever so elusive "optics". That is my opinion. So yeah, I will do what was asked, but not without first saying what I truly think, as I wasn't given a chance to defend myself directly to the mods, only relayed a few quotes of what they said regarding the situation. And speaking of mods, I can't help but feel especially sad because I did share my plans beforehand with @Slice of Life and he gave me the green light. Maybe the mistake was mine in not consulting other forum mods, maybe it was his mistake in giving me the go ahead without doing so himself. It doesn't matter anyway and I don't blame him for this or hold any bad feeling for him.
But out of the things that were asked of me, what I will not abide by and will not accept is the notion that the "Favorite Suspiciously-Fruity Oppa" is also ~problematic~. I'm sorry but come the fuck on. The term fruity-oppa is a running inside joke of the sub-forum at this point and no, it's not sexuality speculation. It's really not that serious. Of course I'm not asking you all to vote on who you think is most likely to be an actual homosexual, just who is your personal favorite fem-acting idol, of which there are many. Maybe the wording is not great, whatever, but if you spent more than a couple days on the subforum you know that that's not what we are doing here. Is it really a crime to have a few kiis about an idol knowing unreleased Bebe Rexha songs or being a bit limp wristed when doing choreography? Give me a break. I removed "suspiciously", is that OK now?
I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing made me feel extremely shitty and singled out. It feels really, really unfair and backwards. It sucked all the excitement I had to keep this rate going even on a slower year. I'm not going to cancel it and disappear, which was my first instinct, but.. well. I don't really know how to wrap this up or even what to expect in response, but I said what I had to say.
And you better believe my petty ass is going to report every single instance of someone posting a sExUaLiZed, obJecTiFyIng male idol gif from now on.
No, I will not hear a word about "b-but what if we were rating female singers tits??". Well, guess what? Men and women are not the same. They don't have the same lives, they don't experience the same oppressions, their social roles and power levels are not the same. The weight of the gay male gaze on (assumedly) straight men is NOT comparable to the weight of the straight male gaze on women. So to even think about pulling that card here is just... It's giving "reverse racism".
Not to mention that this entire rate is first and foremost focused on celebrating these men's artistic output, we aren't dudes in 2004 complimenting Britney's tits while thinking she's a dumb bimbo. I didn't even want to add any negative/worst categories to the other poll. Funny how everyone turns a blind eye to the massive hate and jokes and pile ons and "heterophobia" jokes on someone like Ed Sheeran, but then the one part of PopJustice that actually celebrates and uplifts male artists is subject to this... intervention.
But you know what? That's fine. I can understand how some people might look at the thing and raise an eyebrow, I really can. But in the end it's still a poorly considered knee-jerk reaction based on fear of the ever so elusive "optics". That is my opinion. So yeah, I will do what was asked, but not without first saying what I truly think, as I wasn't given a chance to defend myself directly to the mods, only relayed a few quotes of what they said regarding the situation. And speaking of mods, I can't help but feel especially sad because I did share my plans beforehand with @Slice of Life and he gave me the green light. Maybe the mistake was mine in not consulting other forum mods, maybe it was his mistake in giving me the go ahead without doing so himself. It doesn't matter anyway and I don't blame him for this or hold any bad feeling for him.
But out of the things that were asked of me, what I will not abide by and will not accept is the notion that the "Favorite Suspiciously-Fruity Oppa" is also ~problematic~. I'm sorry but come the fuck on. The term fruity-oppa is a running inside joke of the sub-forum at this point and no, it's not sexuality speculation. It's really not that serious. Of course I'm not asking you all to vote on who you think is most likely to be an actual homosexual, just who is your personal favorite fem-acting idol, of which there are many. Maybe the wording is not great, whatever, but if you spent more than a couple days on the subforum you know that that's not what we are doing here. Is it really a crime to have a few kiis about an idol knowing unreleased Bebe Rexha songs or being a bit limp wristed when doing choreography? Give me a break. I removed "suspiciously", is that OK now?
I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing made me feel extremely shitty and singled out. It feels really, really unfair and backwards. It sucked all the excitement I had to keep this rate going even on a slower year. I'm not going to cancel it and disappear, which was my first instinct, but.. well. I don't really know how to wrap this up or even what to expect in response, but I said what I had to say.
And you better believe my petty ass is going to report every single instance of someone posting a sExUaLiZed, obJecTiFyIng male idol gif from now on.
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Slice of Life
Staff member
It’s my fault for not consulting with the other mods, bestie. I sincerely apologize about that. If you wanna talk more about it, my inbox is open. (I’ll have to reply in the morning as it’s really late here now though.)
OK I'm trying my damn hardest to not go the fuck off and self-destruct here, so bear with me.
Apparently it's OK for everyone in this sub-forum to thirst over and sexualize male idols, post said male idols' chest, ass, arms, etc in gifs, in previous Rate threads, in previous Readers' Polls threads, but if I want to make a fun little unserious game out of it then it's too far. The puritan council decided that this will not stand, so I was told to remove the "specific body parts" session of the side rate. My god, won't somebody think of how these poor grown men will be so upset that a couple dozen f-words on a pop music forum are fawning over the body parts that they work so hard on and love to show off on stage with a cheeky smile for the unison scream of thousands of girls!
No, I will not hear a word about "b-but what if we were rating female singers tits??". Well, guess what? Men and women are not the same. They don't have the same lives, they don't experience the same oppressions, their social roles and power levels are not the same. The weight of the gay male gaze on (assumedly) straight men is NOT comparable to the weight straight male gaze on women. So to even think about pulling that card here is just- It's giving cries of "reverse racism".
Not to mention that this entire rate is first and foremost focused on celebrating these men's artistic output, we aren't dudes in 2004 complimenting Britney's tits while thinking she's a dumb bimbo. Funny how everyone turns a blind eye to the massive hate and jokes and pile ons and "heterophobia" jokes on someone like Ed Sheeran, but then the one part of PopJustice that actually celebrates and uplifts male artists is subject to this... intervention.
But you know what? That's fine. I can understand how some people might look at the thing and raise an eyebrow, I really can. But in the end it's still a poorly considered knee-jerk reaction based on fear of the ever so elusive "optics". That is my opinion. So yeah, I will do what was asked, but I not without first saying what I truly think, as I wasn't given a chance to defend myself directly to the mods, only relayed a few quotes of what they said regarding the situation. And speaking of mods, I can't help but feel especially sad because I did share my plans beforehand with @Slice of Life and he gave me the green light. Maybe the mistake was mine in not consulting other forum mods, maybe it was his mistake in giving me the go ahead without doing so himself. It doesn't matter anyway and I don't blame him for this or hold any bad feeling for him.
But out of the things that were shown to me, what I will not abide by and will not accept is the notion that the "Favorite Suspiciously-Fruity Oppa" is also ~problematic~. I'm sorry but come the fuck on. The term fruity-oppa is a running inside joke of the sub-forum at this point and no, it's not sexuality speculation. It's really not that serious. Of course I'm not asking you all to vote on who you think is most likely to be an actual homosexual, just who is your personal favorite fem-acting idol, of which there are many. Maybe the wording is not great, whatever, but if you spent more than a couple days here you know that that's not what we are doing. Is it really a crime to have a few kiis about an idol knowing unreleased Bebe Rexha songs or being a little limp wristed when doing choreo? Give me a break.
I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing made me feel extremely shitty and singled out. It feels really, really unfair and backwards. It sucked all the excitement I had to keep this rate going even on a slower year. I'm not going to cancel it and disappear, which was my first instinct, but.. well. I don't really know how to wrap this up or even what to expect in response, but I said what I had to say.
And you better believe my petty ass is going to report every single instance of someone posting a sExUaLiZed, obJecTiFyIng male idol gif from now on.
he/him
I'm happy that you aren't opting out of hosting the rate (and disappearing) all together, bestie. Your hard work and dedication to this yearly rate is much appreciated by many of us here, though I know this must've taken the wind out of your sails a bit.
With that being said, I will still be submitting my original side rate ballot as Jesus intended with GIF examples for all of my picks so pleek don't report my spreadsheet. Love you.
With that being said, I will still be submitting my original side rate ballot as Jesus intended with GIF examples for all of my picks so pleek don't report my spreadsheet. Love you.
Me putting the rate branding at the end of my angry rant
he/him
I think you would enjoy the entire album then. It was absolutely one of my favorites of last year.
Yep I’m definitely going to check it out, seeing lots of good things about it.
I just discovered that this rate exists and I’m already stuck on scores. I have no idea what I would do with 2 Baddies. If I think about it for more than a few seconds, it’s a 5 but if it comes on shuffle in the car it’s an 11.
I don’t think I’ll take part on the side-rates because I have pretty strong tunnel-vision for a handful of groups and am largely unaware of most of the industry, I’d only skew the figures towards Felix in every category he’d fit in. I guess I need to familiarise myself with the other 2/3rds of the songs that I don’t recognise!
I don’t think I’ll take part on the side-rates because I have pretty strong tunnel-vision for a handful of groups and am largely unaware of most of the industry, I’d only skew the figures towards Felix in every category he’d fit in. I guess I need to familiarise myself with the other 2/3rds of the songs that I don’t recognise!
he/him
For my sake please work on your scores in the car because 2 Baddies deserves that 11, friend!
Thank you for coming! I scouted you as a potential voter since you're in both the TXT and Stray Kids threads a lot, hehe. And by the way, even for the side rate I think most people just skew towards their faves too, so don't be too discouraged. Especially the Hottest Idols thing, go with your personal taste!
But for the other categories, maybe take a peek at the YouTube playlist with the MVs, they enhance a lot of the songs and you could end up getting into a couple more groups ♡ People will also end up posting their FYC recommendations here... eventually ddd So that will help.
As for 2 Baddies... I'm on the same boat.
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ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
2 Baddies is at minimum an eight and that’s me lowballing it for the people who need help realizing its greatness at all times, not just in a car.
@Glitterizer are you planning on doing rate watch2gether sessions this year? They were quite fun last time (also a good way to actually watch all the music videos).
All that comes to mind is 2 baddies one cup.2 Baddies will be lucky to get a 1.5 from me.
I'll see myself out.