Kylie Minogue - Tension

I'd kill for her to revisit the sound of Body Language (her best album).
I have a fondness for Body Language too considering it was my first full era after bopping to the Fever singles like the rest of the planet. I’m not sure I would say it has a particular sound though, as it feels rather eclectic to me?
 
It's been ignored because everyone knows it's full of hyperbole and not worth commenting on. You're just trying to create a narrative that simple is not there, Kylie does not get treated any more harshly than any other artist here, in fact she gets off more lightly.

Case in point: the reception to Disco .vs. Chromatica. Disco has its detractors for sure, but the fan response when it dropped was largely positive. Most fans seemed to think it was a fun joyful album. Chromatica's reception has improved with time, but when the album dropped, it was dragged. Both albums could have used more effort and both albums needed way more oomph in the production department, but Chromatica IMO clearly is superior in terms of lyrics, vocals, general songwriting (despite having a much worse lead single than Disco) and got a much worse PJ reception. Which indicates to me that Gaga is actually treated more harshly. Her fanbase gives her way less margin for error than Kylie's does.
 
I have a fondness for Body Language too considering it was my first full era after bopping to the Fever singles like the rest of the planet. I’m not sure I would say it has a particular sound though, as it feels rather eclectic to me?

It's eclectic but I would describe the overall sound as a kind of R&B-tinged electro funk.
 
It's been ignored because everyone knows it's full of hyperbole and not worth commenting on. You're just trying to create a narrative that simple is not there, Kylie does not get treated any more harshly than any other artist here, in fact she gets off more lightly.

Somebody was saying that Kylie has an easy time on here and I simply pointed to a post *on the previous* page that showed she doesn’t. If I’d posted that in the Madonna thread and replaced “Disco” with “Madame X” it would be carnage. The fact that people are already moaning about this era based on a Sayhey rumour really just highlights the entitlement when it comes to Kylie and the sense that they can say pretty much anything which largely goes unchecked.

And when somebody does check it they’re met with the “it’s a forum I’ll say what I want” response which is unhelpful at best.
 
Somebody was saying that Kylie has an easy time on here and I simply pointed to a post *on the previous* page that showed she doesn’t. If I’d posted that in the Madonna thread and replaced “Disco” with “Madame X” it would be carnage. The fact that people are already moaning about this era based on a Sayhey rumour really just highlights the entitlement when it comes to Kylie and the sense that they can say pretty much anything which largely goes unchecked.

And when somebody does check it they’re met with the “it’s a forum I’ll say what I want” response which is unhelpful at best.
That post was the exception, not the rule. Placing all your flimsy argument on one overtly hyperbolic post that does not reflect any of the general attitude of people here is a weird take.
Kylie is not targeted more than any other artist (or TV show or movie or game etc.) on this forum and that's that. Have you seen some of the posts that happen in the MCU thread? They make the ones in here look tame in comparison.
One might wonder why this is such a sticking point for you. Does it affect your love of Kylie and her music? No, and it shouldn't. We just need to accept it and not try to gatekeep who does and doesn't post in threads here.
 
That post was the exception, not the rule. Placing all your flimsy argument on one overtly hyperbolic post that does not reflect any of the general attitude of people here is a weird take.
Kylie is not targeted more than any other artist (or TV show or movie or game etc.) on this forum and that's that. Have you seen some of the posts that happen in the MCU thread? They make the ones in here look tame in comparison.
One might wonder why this is such a sticking point for you. Does it affect your love of Kylie and her music? No, and it shouldn't. We just need to accept it and not try to gatekeep who does and doesn't post in threads here.
Not this prompting me to check out the MCU thread for the first time in ages since it used to be everyone loving everything ddd
 
I mean the (fairly unhinged) post on the previous page saying that she should be ashamed of releasing Disco would beg to differ with this point. It’s obviously unnecessarily harsh and extreme but has gone (pretty much) uncommented on because it’s accepted in a Kylie thread where it wouldn’t be in many of the other pop girl threads.

And criticising a popstar’s looks is clearly unacceptable no matter who they are.

Men love heaping shame on women. And the gays are now using it to attack female pop stars they see as rivals to the main pop girl they follow.
 
What? Compared to some popstars, Kylie is handled with kid gloves on this forum. Yes, there are a group of people (including myself) who shit on her recent output (but I do this to many artists), but you don't get nasty comments about her looks, lifestyle choices, etc.
They would if they could. But she doesn't give them anything to complain about in that department. She's always dressed well and always acts right.
 
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Case in point: the reception to Disco .vs. Chromatica. Disco has its detractors for sure, but the fan response when it dropped was largely positive. Most fans seemed to think it was a fun joyful album. Chromatica's reception has improved with time, but when the album dropped, it was dragged. Both albums could have used more effort and both albums needed way more oomph in the production department, but Chromatica IMO clearly is superior in terms of lyrics, vocals, general songwriting (despite having a much worse lead single than Disco) and got a much worse PJ reception. Which indicates to me that Gaga is actually treated more harshly. Her fanbase gives her way less margin for error than Kylie's does.
What's this comparison though? Gaga is given much less room to deliver mediocrity because she's a "current" star who is still capable of scoring smash hits and pushing the envelope artistically, and who has the eyes of the world on her. More pressure equals more room for disappointment.

Kylie is in the cruise control phase of her career. The hits are in the rearview, her experimental/boundary pushing years are behind her too and there's no real pressure to deliver something special outside of spaces like this forum. Of course Gaga gets the rougher ride. There comes a point people are just glad that artists like Kylie are still grinding away, making pop music out of love and nothing more.

Agreed that Chromatica is a significantly better pop record than Disco. It's just... not relevant dd.
 
Kylie's expansive career has made her fandom's expectations diverse. Those who entered the fandom during her more straightforward pop moments may embrace her newer stuff while those who latched onto her during her more experimental eras may be frustrated with her recent output.

The truth is she isn't in her deconstruction era anymore. She may be in a state of mind where she wants to make obvious pop music just for the fun of it. That's just how it is. The larger public seems to adore this phase of Kylie's career. She has morphed into a national treasure who generally is beloved for her signature frothy pop sound. That warm embrace probably trumps the negative reaction from a small portion of the fandom who is still stuck in one of her previous eras that she has long moved on from.
 
What's this comparison though? Gaga is given much less room to deliver mediocrity because she's a "current" star who is still capable of scoring smash hits and pushing the envelope artistically, and who has the eyes of the world on her. More pressure equals more room for disappointment.

Kylie is in the cruise control phase of her career. The hits are in the rearview, her experimental/boundary pushing years are behind her too and there's no real pressure to deliver something special outside of spaces like this forum. Of course Gaga gets the rougher ride. There comes a point people are just glad that artists like Kylie are still grinding away, making pop music out of love and nothing more.

Agreed that Chromatica is a significantly better pop record than Disco. It's just... not relevant dd.

Yeah, maybe that wasn't the best comparison, but my overall point is just that Kylie is hardly persecuted on PJ. Quite the opposite (though I'm not complaining about it. She's more than earned her place as a PJ fave).
 
They would if they could. But she doesn't give them anything to complain about in that department. She's always dressed well and always acts right.

This comment really rubs me the wrong way. I was of course talking about Madonna when I said that some pop stars get nasty comments about looks (and not just her wardrobe) and lifestyle choices. Madonna acts fine and also dresses well. Yes, she's done some things to call out (though the same people who cry about her grillz, her plastic surgery, or her dating younger men don't have a problem with real issues like performing in Israel or making tone deaf comments), but she looks amazing and any comments about her looks are completely out of line. The implication that somehow they're justified is just not it.

And regardless of the reason Madonna may get flak for those things, my point was that it seems pretty suspect to say other pop girls don't get as much criticism as Kylie when Madonna gets so much ageist, sexist, and generally meanspirited garbage thrown at her even on this forum. PJ regulars have done a good job of dragging those posters, so they don't pop up often anymore, but it still happens occasionally.
 
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