Kylie Minogue

Madame X pot calling the Disco kettle black.

Madame X's lyrics are bad in a few places and Killers is lowkey dangerous in terms of its Colonial ethos (especially when her fanbase seems content with believing its just clumsiness rather than violence), but nowhere does Madame X have lyrics like these:

"The stars look different tonight
They're glowing all around me
It's flowing through my body
I can feel it, I can feel it
Don't know if I'm awake or dreaming
There must be something in the air"

It truly boggles the mind. Even at its absolute worst, Madame X is grasping for something. I will take Madonna showing her ass politically over lyrics that had just absolutely no effort put into them whatsoever.

And honestly, Madonna has conquered the form of the pop song so many times in her career. The idea of making straightforward pop music probably bores the shit out of her at this point. Some of the worst moments on Rebel Heart and MDNA were the songs where she tried her hand at a basic bop.
 
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I can’t actually believe we’re doing Kylie vs Madonna in 2022. Move on.

A battle is certainly more interesting than people repetitively stanning these artists within an inch of their lives in every single thread.

I wasn't even trying to pit them against each other though. I just find the idea that Madonna should be following Kylie's model to be absurd. Madonna is not going to make an album like Disco and I wouldn't expect Kylie to make an album like Madame X. As much as both women share strengths in having immaculate singles runs and being gifted popstars, a lot of what Kylie does, especially these days, is not in Madonna's DNA as an artist. The idea that she should somehow be more like another artist who she ultimately doesn't have a whole lot in common with just rubs me the wrong way.
 
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It truly boggles the mind. Even at it's absolute worst, Madame X is grasping for something.

Comparing Kylie and Madonna is a bit like apples and oranges. They're both doing such different things now from the other and there's plenty of room for both of them in the industry.

My original point was that if there is a (very highly improbable) collaboration I hope it sounds more like a Kylie song because that's where my own pop taste gravitates towards and that's what I like.

And yes, I love Magic and I belt out those very lyrics when the song comes on. The whole Disco album is a huge sing-a-long for me.
 
Let’s not do this. Kylie was not trying to push the box with Disco and that’s perfectly fine. She delivered a lovely pop album that was a shining beacon during a dark period. It’s not a lyrical masterpiece, but it never tried to be.

It doesn't need to be a lyrical masterpiece. There are very few albums out there (in any genre) that are legit lyrical masterpieces. But I do expect a little effort. Words, after all, are a pretty integral part of a song.
 
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Comparing Kylie and Madonna is a bit like apples and oranges. They're both doing such different things now from the other and there's plenty of room for both of them in the industry.

My original point was that if there is a (very highly improbable) collaboration I hope it sounds more like a Kylie song because that's where my own pop taste gravitates towards and that's what I like.

And yes, I love Magic and I belt out those very lyrics when the song comes on. The whole Disco album is a huge sing-a-long for me.

I guess it's fair to want a collaboration to lean toward one of the artists' sound or the other, but Madonna doing a current Kylie sound sounds like a disaster to me. It would be so contrived and I feel like Madonna would sound just as bored as she did on some of MDNA's most cynical cuts. Interestingly enough, I think Kylie would have saved a couple of those songs with her lighter vocal touch.

And I understand liking Magic and belting it. It has a good tune. But I can't get past the lyrics. They come off like they were written by some alternative rock fanboy writing a parody song solely to make fun of how supposedly stupid and empty pop lyrics are.
 
It doesn't need to be a lyrical masterpiece. There are very few albums out there (in any genre) that are legit lyrical masterpieces. But I do expect a little effort. Words, after all, are a pretty integral part of a song.
But your example is…not bad? Like I genuinely can’t see what’s wrong with the lyrics you pointed out. They’re silly and fun, but hardly diabolical.
 
Kylie fans stanning Kylie in a Kylie thread. The audacity! IN what world is that worse than people puffing their chests out in a failed attempt to pit two women against each other in 2022?
 
Kylie fans stanning Kylie in a Kylie thread. The audacity! IN what world is that worse than people puffing their chests out in a failed attempt to pit two women against each other in 2022?

Nobody is coming at Kylie fans for stanning Kylie. Why in the world would anybody have a problem with that? But you best believe I will clap back at the constant little passive aggressive (and sometimes explicit) shots that are always taken at Madonna from a couple usual suspects.

Also, I absolutely have no issue with pitting two artists against each other musically. It is done all the time. The whole "we can never compare two artists" unspoken rule is silly and contrived (not to mention hypocritical in most cases). But honestly, the intention was never to pit them against each other.
 
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But your example is…not bad? Like I genuinely can’t see what’s wrong with the lyrics you pointed out. They’re silly and fun, but hardly diabolical.

For me, silly and fun can only really be sustained when there is some element of cleverness or wit present. These lines are ripped straight out of the book of cliches almost verbatim. That, for me, is the problem. Too often, "silly and fun" is an excuse for artists to not do anything remotely interesting with the English language.

And for those who think that I'm being harsh, I come at everybody's lyrics, including Madonna's (though Madonna is more guilty of being lazy about politics and issues in her lyrics, which in some ways is worse because the stakes are higher). I'm getting tired of the pop girl (and pop boy; they are actually worse about it) tendency in general to not dig deeper, think deeper even when they are in a mood for lightweight pop. It's possible to go for light lyrics but and put that extra time in to add in some wittiness.
 
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New Vogue interview: https://www.vogue.com/slideshow/inside-kylie-minogues-one-night-only-show-at-the-carlyle

Exciting to see Slow is a reference point for the new album.

“She’s tight-lipped on the exact direction her sixteenth studio album might take, but name-drops the sensual ‘Slow’ as a musical reference point.”
“…I’d like to make something like that again that pushes my boundaries a little bit.”

Is she only working with Biff?

I like Biff ..... but I hope she diversifies her writers and producers.
 
Nobody is coming at Kylie fans for stanning Kylie. Why in the world would anybody have a problem with it? But you best believe I will clap back at the constant little passive aggressive (and sometimes explicit) shots that are always taken at Madonna from a couple usual suspects.

Also, I absolutely have no issue with pitting two artists against each other musically. It is done all the time. The whole "we can never compare two artists" unspoken rule and silly and contrived (not to mention hypocritical in most cases). But honestly, the intention was never to pit them against each other.

A battle is certainly more interesting than people repetitively stanning these artists within an inch of their lives in every single thread.

This you?

I never said you were coming for Kylie fans, I was saying that it's odd to think that *waves around* this...is better than people stanning an artist in a thread dedicated to them. Why would you want a battle?
 
But your example is…not bad? Like I genuinely can’t see what’s wrong with the lyrics you pointed out. They’re silly and fun, but hardly diabolical.

Needs to also be said that I don't think many people are listening to Kylie for lyrics with a cause. Her back catalogue is stacked with full-blown bangers and their perfectly crafted pop lyrics.

Exhibit A

 
This you?

I never said you were coming for Kylie fans, I was saying that it's odd to think that *waves around* this...is better than people stanning an artist in a thread dedicated to them. Why would you want a battle?

A battle is not better but it certainly does make for more exciting reading. But I wasn't trying to start one. I just saw some comments that rubbed me the wrong way and clapped back. Interestingly enough, the thread forum didn't melt.
 
Needs to also be said that I don't think many people are listening to Kylie for lyrics with a cause. Her back catalogue is stacked with full-blown bangers and their perfectly crafted pop lyrics.

Exhibit A



The fact that Kylie has songs with well crafted lyrics in her back catalogue proves my point about everybody involved with Disco's lyrics needing to try harder. Pop lyrics don't have to be basic. Pop lyrics don't have to be the lowest hanging fruit that the artist can immediately grab.

I'm not looking for lyrics with a cause at all. I'm looking for lyrics that are engaging, whatever they might be about. Yes, I prefer lyrics about less frivolous things, but I am not at all above shallow escapism if the lyrics have character.
 

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