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Ladies of 00's poprock - WINNER revealed!

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by Sprockrooster, May 17, 2018.

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    Welcome poprock lovers!

    Let us appreciate the best albums and songs from an iconic decade in music and focus solely on the poprock genre brought us by the biggest ladies from that genre.

    Several ladies will be getting a massive spotlight including our main girls P!nk, Kelly Clarkson, Anastacia and Avril Lavigne. But we will look further into this rate to a few smaller known acts. Perhaps you can discover some of your faves right there! Big names doing poprock from that decade are excluded (such as Christina's 'Fighter'). We are celebrating the artists that bring poprock to the table.

    Those chosen 4 girls all represent the era in zeroes poprock very well and despite it is sometimes hard to pinpoint a clear poprock magnum opus we will try to do so.



    In a pre-discussion the following albums have been chosen:

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    For these more niche artists it is clear what their tracks going to be (and I am kind of settled on the artist representation here; obviously a big injustice can still be mentioned):

    ANA JOHNSSON
    We Are
    Cuz I Can

    ASHLEE SIMPSON
    Pieces of Me
    Shadow
    LaLa
    Boyfriend
    Little Miss Obsessive

    BONNIE MCKEE
    Somebody

    FEFE DOBSON
    Everything
    Take It Away
    Don't Let It Go To Your Head

    A comment has to be made here as I got several PM's concerning aspirant voters would love to see more of her in this rate. As I do not know her that well she wasn't initially included but mentioned by @Mina. I feel like giving her 3 songs is doing her justice considering the demand she got. These are apparantly her most fitting or known songs.

    LIZ PHAIR
    Extraordinary
    Why Can't I?

    MARION RAVEN
    Here I Am
    Break You
    Heads Will Roll

    MELANIE C
    Goin' Down
    Next Best Superstar


    HOWEVER FOR THE NEXT ARTISTS A QUESTION HAS ARISEN VIA PM'S:

    VANESSA AMOROSI
    This Is Who I Am
    Kiss Your Mama
    Perfect

    Do people want to see Absolutely Everybody included? It isn't necessarily the most poprock song, but that can be said about more songs in this rate. It would be at the cost of Kiss Your Mama.

    MICHELLE BRANCH
    Everywhere
    All You Wanted
    Are You Happy Now

    Since her discography rate is delayed she is back being included. Not entirely sure if the non inclusion of 'Game of Love' is the way to go. It would feel very out of place in this rate with the latin feel. But do you all agree?

    ALANIS MORRISETTE
    Hands Clean
    Precious Illusions
    Eight Easy Steps
    Everything
    Out Is Through

    She was never part of this rate as I do not see her as a zeroes poprock queen (with her big days in the 90's). However @londonrain made a valid point of her still having a right to be here. How many 90's poprock queen were still very active in the zeroes. Well Alanis! We completely disagreed about the song selection (as the first two have my preference as big faves from her and the final three as suggested by @londonrain being more fitting). We could do all 5 of them. If Ashlee can get 5, surely Alanis can get this. Any opinions about this?

    Hoping to get some input about Vanessa, Michelle and Alanis!

    Discussion is closed and voting is open!
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2018
  2. The official songlist is here; score every song between a 0 and 10. Every decimal is allowed. I love tie-breakers! There is one 11 allowed for that poprock masterpiece that truly stands out from all of the others!

    ANASTACIA

    Seasons Change
    Left Outside Alone
    Time
    Sick & Tired
    Heavy On My Heart
    I Do (with P.O.D.)
    Welcome To My Truth
    Pretty Little Dum Dum
    Sexy Single
    Rearview
    Where Do I Belong?
    Maybe Today
    BONUS: Everything Burns (with Ben Moody)

    AVRIL LAVIGNE
    Take Me Away
    Together
    Don't Tell me
    He Wasn't
    How Does It Feel?
    My Happy Ending
    Nobody's Home
    Forgotten
    Who Knows
    Fall To Pieces
    Freak Out
    Slipped Away
    BONUS: I Will Be

    KELLY CLARKSON
    Breakaway
    Since U Been Gone
    Behind These Hazel Eyes
    Because Of You
    Gone
    Addicted
    Where Is Your Heart?
    Walk Away
    You Found Me
    I Hate Myself For Losing You
    Hear Me
    Beautiful Disaster (Live)
    BONUS: Sober

    P!NK
    Stupid Girls
    Who Knew
    Long Way To Happy
    Nobody Knows
    Dear Mr. President (with Indigo Girls)
    I'm Not Dead
    Cuz I Can
    Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely)
    U + Ur Hand
    Runaway
    The One That Got Away
    I Got Money Now
    Conversations With My 13 Year Old Self
    BONUS: Last To Know

    ALANIS MORISSETTE
    Hands Clean
    Precious Illusions
    Everything
    Out Is Through
    Eight Easy Steps

    ANA JOHNSSON
    We Are
    Coz I Can

    ASHLEE SIMPSON
    Pieces Of Me
    Shadow
    LaLa
    Boyfriend
    Little Miss Obsessive (with Tom Higginson)

    BONNIE MCKEE
    Somebody
    Trouble

    FEFE DOBSON
    Everything
    Take Me Away
    Don't Let It Get To Your Head

    LIZ PHAIR
    Extraordinary
    Why Can't I?

    MARION RAVEN
    Here I Am
    Break You
    Heads Will Roll

    MELANIE C
    Goin' Down
    Next Best Superstar

    MICHELLE BRANCH
    Everywhere
    All You Wanted
    Are You Happy Now?

    VANESSA AMOROSI
    This Is Who I Am
    Kiss Your Mama!
    Perfect

    Making it a grand total of 83 tracks!

    SPOTIFY PLAYLIST:
    For your playing pleasure; here is a spotify playlist! Two songs missing there:
    - Everything Burns (because Ben Moody is a petty asshole who only wants his solo version there)
    - Coz I Can (geo-blocked and therefore a hatecrime against the Dutch (and other?) community)

    HAPPY RATING EVERYONE! DEADLINE IS SET AT JULY 7TH (every timezone)

    PM-ABLE LIST:
    Seasons Change
    Left Outside Alone
    Time
    Sick & Tired
    Heavy On My Heart
    I Do
    Welcome To My Truth
    Pretty Little Dum Dum
    Sexy Single
    Rearview
    Where Do I Belong?
    Maybe Today
    Everything Burns


    Take Me Away
    Together
    Don't Tell me
    He Wasn't
    How Does It Feel?
    My Happy Ending
    Nobody's Home
    Forgotten
    Who Knows
    Fall To Pieces
    Freak Out
    Slipped Away
    I Will Be

    Breakaway
    Since U Been Gone
    Behind These Hazel Eyes
    Because Of You
    Gone
    Addicted
    Where Is Your Heart?
    Walk Away
    You Found Me
    I Hate Myself For Losing You
    Hear Me
    Beautiful Disaster
    Sober


    Stupid Girls
    Who Knew
    Long Way To Happy
    Nobody Knows
    Dear Mr. President
    I'm Not Dead
    Cuz I Can
    Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely)
    U + Ur Hand
    Runaway
    The One That Got Away
    I Got Money Now
    Conversations With My 13 Year Old Self
    Last To Know

    Hands Clean
    Precious Illusions
    Everything
    Out Is Through
    Eight Easy Steps

    We Are
    Coz I Can
    Pieces Of Me
    Shadow
    LaLa
    Boyfriend
    Little Miss Obsessive
    Somebody
    Trouble

    Everything
    Take Me Away
    Don't Let It Get To Your Head

    Extraordinary
    Why Can't I?
    Here I Am
    Break You
    Heads Will Roll

    Goin' Down
    Next Best Superstar
    Everywhere
    All You Wanted
    Are You Happy Now?

    This Is Who I Am
    Kiss Your Mama!
    Perfect
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2018
  3. 4+ average
    #83 - Pink - The One That Got Away


    5+ average
    #82 - Anastacia - Sexy Single

    #81 - Marion Raven - Heads Will Roll
    #80 - Vanessa Amorosi - Kiss Your Mama!
    #79 - Anastacia - Maybe Today


    6+ average
    #78 - Melanie C - Goin' Down
    #77 - Ashlee Simpson - Shadow
    #76 - Bonnie McKee - Trouble
    #75 - Pink - Conversations With My 13 Year Old Self
    #74 - Melanie C - Next Best Superstar
    #73 - Avril Lavigne - Freak Out
    #72 - Bonnie McKee - Somebody
    #71 - Pink - Nobody Knows


    #70 - Kelly Clarkson - Where Is Your Heart?
    #69 - Pink - I Got Money Now (+11)
    #68 - Avril Lavigne - Who Knows

    #67 - Kelly Clarkson - I Hate Myself For Losing You
    #66 - Anastacia - Where Do I Belong?
    #65 - Ana Johnsson - Coz I Can
    #64 - Fefe Dobson - Everything
    #63 - Anastacia & Ben Moody - Everything Burns
    #61 (tie) - Anastacia - Pretty Little Dum Dum
    #61 (tie) - Avril Lavigne - He Wasn't


    #60 - Vanessa Amorosi - Perfect (+11)
    #59 - Pink - Stupid Girls

    7+ average
    #58 - Liz Phair - Extraordinary
    #57 - Pink - Dear Mr. President

    #56 - Alanis Morissette - Everything
    #55 - Alanis Morissette - Out Is Through

    #54 - Marion Raven - Here I Am
    #53 - Avril Lavigne - Forgotten
    #52 - Ana Johnsson - We Are
    #51 - Ashlee Simpson - LaLa


    #50 - Avril Lavigne - Slipped Away
    #49 - Fefe Dobson - Take Me Away
    #48 - Anastacia - I Do (Feat. Sonny from P.O.D.)
    #47 - Ashlee Simpson - Little Miss Obsessive (Feat. Tom Higgenson)
    #46 - Vanessa Amorosi - This Is Who I Am
    #45 - Anastacia - Seasons Change (+11)

    #44 - Anastacia - Heavy On My Heart
    #43 - Pink - Runaway
    #42 - Alanis Morissette - Precious Illusions
    #41 - Pink - Cuz I Can

    #40 - Avril Lavigne - How Does It Feel? (+11)
    #39 - Kelly Clarkson - Beautiful Disaster (Live) (+11)
    #38 - Marion Raven - Break You
    #37 - Kelly Clarkson - Hear Me
    #36 - Pink - I'm Not Dead (+11)
    #35 - Avril Lavigne - I Will Be
    #34 - Alanis Morissette - Eight Easy Steps
    #33 - Pink - Last To Know
    #32 - Fefe Dobson - Don't Let It Go To Your Head
    #31 - Pink - Long Way To Happy

    #30 - Liz Phair - Why Can't I? (+11)
    #29 - Anastacia - Time (+11)
    #28 - Avril Lavigne - Fall To Pieces

    8+ average
    #27 - Avril Lavinge - Together
    #26 - Kelly Clarkson - You Found Me
    #25 - Kelly Clarkson - Addicted (+11)
    #24 - Anastacia - Rearview (+11)
    #23 - Michelle Branch - Are You Happy Now?

    #22 - Kelly Clarkson - Walk Away (+11)
    #21 - Anastacia - Welcome To My Truth (+11)

    #20 - Avril Lavigne - Don't Tell Me

    #19 - Ashlee Simpson - Pieces of Me
    #18 - Avril Lavigne - Take Me Away
    #17 - Pink - Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely)
    #16 - Kelly Clarkson - Gone
    #15 - Ashlee Simpson - Boyfriend (+11)
    #14 - Kelly Clarkson - Sober (+11 x 2)
    #13 - Alanis Morissette - Hands Clean (+11 x 2)
    #12 - Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway (+11)

    #11 - Anastacia - Sick & Tired

    9+ average
    #10 - Kelly Clarkson - Because of You (+11)
    #9 - Michelle Branch - All You Wanted (+11)
    #8 - Michelle Branch - Everywhere
    #7 - Avril Lavigne - Nobody's Home (+11 x 5)
    #6 - Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
    #5 - Avril Lavigne - My Happy Ending (+11)
    #4 - Pink - U + Ur Hand (+11 x 2)
    #3 - Anastacia - Left Outside Alone
    #2 - Kelly Clarkson - Behind These Hazel Eyes (+11 x 2)
    #1 - Pink - Who Knew (+11 x 2)

    RANKING
    8,895 = Michelle Branch
    8,822 = Kelly Clarkson
    7,828 = Avril Lavigne
    7,681 = Alanis Morissette
    7,636 = Ashlee Simpson
    7,512 = Pink
    7,479 = Anastacia
    7,469 = Liz Phair
    7,353 = Fefe Dobson
    7,084 = Ana Johnsson
    6,889 = Marion Raven
    6,764 = Vanessa Amorosi
    6,488 = Bonnie McKee
    6,284 = Melanie C
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2018
  4. Another 00s nostalgia trip? Count me in!
     
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    I'm here! Oh my God too many 10s to count, will I just give Avril a 10.0 average, wejustdontknow.gif

    As for Fefe, I'm assuming we're straying away from her Joy singles which were commercially her best because it was her 'poppiest and non-rockiest' era? Because "Ghost" and "Stuttering" would be a killer one-two combo for her, if not it's fine because I can cover them in a rate down the road.

    I'm happy with the big three from Michelle.

    I'm excited to have Marion in a rate as she's been one of my all-time undiscussed favorites forever. I would've loved to have seen "Falling Away" too, but I'm okay with the three we have.

    Any rate with the addition of Alanis is only a good thing, so sure why not.
     
  6. I stan Absolutely Everybody more than most things in life but it's a dance-pop song so it doesn't really fit, as much as I'd like it to be in.

    I'd say the Alanis and Michelle choices are spot on.
     
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  7. I agree with you, Sprocky, that the '90s were Alanis' heyday; my recollection of her in the '00s is that she was seen more as an alternative artist and not a mainstream pop girl like Kelly, Avril, and Pink. She definitely wasn't as mainstream as Ashlee who has the most songs out of the extras. So it seems reasonable to limit Alanis to two or three songs like most of the other artists in the extras section, since this is an '00s pop/rock rate and not a '90s one. I'm not familiar enough with her music to recommend which songs to include or exclude.

    I agree with all three Michelle Branch picks.

    I'm really happy you've kept Bonnie McKee in! It seems a bit weird that she only has one song on the list (a piano ballad at that) while everyone else has at least two. It's your call - but here are some others of hers from that era that showcase her pop/rock side more:

    Trouble (her album's first single - if you pick one more song for her, this is probably the one to include)


    January (an album track)
     
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  8. If we're doing five Ashlee songs, five Alanis songs should be absolutely fine. (If one of the Alanis songs has to be cut, I'd pick Eight Easy Steps as it was a flop, but when has that ever stopped us from rating a song?)
     
  9. Take this with a grain of salt @Sprockrooster as I won't be voting due to too many discoveries to go through but Shine by Vanessa Amorosi fits the bill well and also Maybe Goodbye To you by Michelle Branch...
     
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    Last To Know over God Is A DJ is a choice but I'll still take part!
     
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  11. So ready to stan Breakaway for my closeted gay self and have to echo that Alanis would be a big draw for me. I also think you have the perfect selection of Michelle Branch songs!
     
  12. It won't/can't happen because the competition is fierce, but all three Michelle songs deserve Top 10.
     
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  13. Those extra's are more my host picks than PJ faves or big chart sIayers (otherwise there wouldn't be a real bonustrack for Avril).

    Alanis will be ser for 5 most likely as that is our current heading of the voters.

    I fear a lot more songs from many artists fit the bill. Problem is there is way too much good music. If however more people feel that way about the songs you mentioned I am definitely open for changing it (like what happened with Fefe Dobson), but I am trying to limit the extra's as much as possible.
     
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  14. I hope I can manage to find the time for this rate, it seems very much up my alley!
     
  15. Imagine having to pick your 11 between Since You’ve Been Gone, Who Knew and My Happy Ending...
     
  16. Well, I had a free afternoon and decided to preemptively score the Big Four. It looks like this for now:

    Anastacia: 7.71
    Avril: 7.81
    Kelly: 9.21
    P!nk: 6.77

    Only two scores below 5 so far and I did go a bit extra giving out 18 tens ddd
     
  17. I am happy to inform you and others Trouble will be added for her. A bit weird for her to be only represented once!
     
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  18. WELCOME to the official opening ceremony of the ladies of poprock rate. The setlist is settled. 83 tracks from which 52 are from the 4 biggest names in poprock from that decade. But here to perform is one of the niche artists serving a deep cut, who will not be in this list. But it is a poprock vocal extravaganza very worthy of opening this rate. The floor is for QUEEN Vanessa Amorosi and her AFL anthem 'Start It'.



    The official songlist is here:

    ANASTACIA
    Seasons Change
    Left Outside Alone
    Time
    Sick & Tired
    Heavy On My Heart
    I Do (with P.O.D.)
    Welcome To My Truth
    Pretty Little Dum Dum
    Sexy Single
    Rearview
    Where Do I Belong?
    Maybe Today
    BONUS: Everything Burns (with Ben Moody)

    AVRIL LAVIGNE
    Take Me Away
    Together
    Don't Tell me
    He Wasn't
    How Does It Feel?
    My Happy Ending
    Nobody's Home
    Forgotten
    Who Knows
    Fall To Pieces
    Freak Out
    Slipped Away
    BONUS: I Will Be

    KELLY CLARKSON
    Breakaway
    Since U Been Gone
    Behind These Hazel Eyes
    Because Of You
    Gone
    Addicted
    Where Is Your Heart?
    Walk Away
    You Found Me
    I Hate Myself For Losing You
    Hear Me
    Beautiful Disaster (Live)
    BONUS: Sober

    P!NK
    Stupid Girls
    Who Knew
    Long Way To Happy
    Nobody Knows
    Dear Mr. President (with Indigo Girls)
    I'm Not Dead
    Cuz I Can
    Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely)
    U + Ur Hand
    Runaway
    The One That Got Away
    I Got Money Now
    Conversations With My 13 Year Old Self
    BONUS: Last To Know

    ALANIS MORISSETTE
    Hands Clean
    Precious Illusions
    Everything
    Out Is Through
    Eight Easy Steps

    ANA JOHNSSON
    We Are
    Coz I Can

    ASHLEE SIMPSON
    Pieces Of Me
    Shadow
    LaLa
    Boyfriend
    Little Miss Obsessive (with Tom Higginson)

    BONNIE MCKEE
    Somebody
    Trouble

    FEFE DOBSON
    Everything
    Take Me Away
    Don't Let It Get To Your Head

    LIZ PHAIR
    Extraordinary
    Why Can't I?

    MARION RAVEN
    Here I Am
    Break You
    Heads Will Roll

    MELANIE C
    Goin' Down
    Next Best Superstar

    MICHELLE BRANCH
    Everywhere
    All You Wanted
    Are You Happy Now?

    VANESSA AMOROSI
    This Is Who I Am
    Kiss Your Mama!
    Perfect

    For your playing pleasure; here is a spotify playlist! Two songs missing there:
    - Everything Burns (because Ben Moody is a petty asshole who only wants his solo version there)
    - Coz I Can (geo-blocked and therefore a hatecrime against the Dutch (and other?) community)

    HAPPY RATING EVERYONE! DEADLINE IS SET AT JUNE 30 (every timezone)
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2018
  19. Iconic song list, can't wait to get stuck into this. The four full albums in the rate are going to be getting the majority of my 10s.
     
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