Lady Gaga - A Star Is Born

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You clearly need to educate yourself about his horrific history of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, pedophilia, etc. He is a monster and these issues need to be discussed, as there are many victims involved who are often expected to be silent.
Thanks for trying to read me, but I know about the docu already and his history and am not here in the A Star Is Born thread to discuss that, no disrespect though. That’s why I posted that, of which the singles run was a joke.
 
I knew when I made a post here a few days ago that this was going to be a big deal- that it was going to be a big deal.

I've written so many 5 paragraph essay responses to people saying "Omg Gaga defended him, can you believe?" which I then have to explain to them everything that happened since the album came out- her kicking him off the song, rereleasing it, canceling the video. + canceling the documentary idea with Terry and not working with him anymore as well since that is also being brought up again now too.

The people who are mad at her have said to me "How hard is it to take 5 minutes to tweet an 'I'm sorry for working with him, I regret it and I don't support him in any way'?".
I mean, to me, the actions she's taken have proven that she doesn't support him.
But people literally just want the words "I'm sorry and he's horrible" to come out of her mouth.

She's eloquent and smart enough to formulate a reponse to this that will set people's minds at ease. But I think we're past the "should she?". She needs to.

I really wished it would have come up at the Globes because I don’t see her responding to it unless she’s prompted.

If she can tweet that she doesn't actually hate Katy Perry. She can tweet that she DOES hate R Kelly and she apologizes for her dumb choice of working with him in the past.
 
I don't think she should stick her ore in without being asked, it would take attention away from his victims and I don't think the GeePee cares enough about a little known song from 5 years ago for her to rock the boat like that. Definitely have a prepared statement in case she's asked, though.
 
I think the biggest problem is not that she collaborated with him, but that she did discredit the victims when she said that all these allegations were fabrications by the media. Not to mention that in the leaked clip of the video she plays kind of a naive character that lets herself be touched by her doctor. She claimed that the concept of the song and the video is about the media and their public personas, and the fact that the narrative that they chose was precisely to focus on his image as a sexual predator also speaks about how she wasn't silent at all, but actually expressing support for him, just like in the interviews.
 
I think it will take more than a tweet to clear things up

Yeah but it's a start at least. There's literally so many articles going around that are making her look bad.
Even shared by fans.
Like if they're going to get the pitchforks out for Kim Petras working with Dr Luke, they're going to get the pitchforks out for Gaga working with R Kelly.
And those old interviews where she said "Well the media says a lot of untrue stuff about us.", And the clip from the musicvideo.
She just needs to come forward and tell the world how she really feels and not leave it up for this debate. If she can speak out for Ke$ha, and about Dr. Blasey-Ford, she can say something to support the black women that have made their case against R Kelly. The GP might be like "wut?" but the people who are upset would take notice and that's all that matters.
And she doesn't honestly have to even say THAT much. But her silence about it will be much louder to the people who are mad at her, than anything she has to say.
 
I've written so many 5 paragraph essay responses to people saying "Omg Gaga defended him, can you believe?" which I then have to explain to them everything that happened since the album came out- her kicking him off the song, rereleasing it, canceling the video. + canceling the documentary idea with Terry and not working with him anymore as well since that is also being brought up again now too.

Except didn't she keep defending him well after this happened? She didn't do the song with Christina to "kick" R. Kelly off the song, she did it cuz she was performing on The Voice and it was a good way to squash a public beef.
 
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As a fan of hers, there's literally no way I can defend her when it comes to the R. Kelly shit. She was a giant asshole for that and I've always wanted her to properly address it. I'm glad she's being called out on it and will hopefully be forced to confront it.

I fully believe she's learned from it and probably wouldn't do it if again she could go back and change that decision, but she was a whole ass adult who was more than capable of educating herself. Yeah, it was a different time period, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse. She just needs to put out a statement and let that be that.
 
Except didn't she keep defending him well after this happened? She didn't do the song with Christina to "kick" R. Kelly off the song, she did it cuz she was performing on The Voice and it was a good way to squash a public beef.

To my understanding, she rereleased the song with Christina for the reasons you said AND to replace him on the song. I don't know if she kept defending him after, I thought after Christina, she was pretty much done with the song - since the Christina version also didn't get any traction as a single- and way done with R Kelly.
 
Someone on one of the Gaga fan pages I follow on facebook for some reason shared a post by one of the guys from Radio ARTPOP (Yikes... Do y'all remember that?). Anyways, This is what that guy had to say

Friends, please ignore the articles popping up attacking Lady Gaga for not speaking out against R. Kelly and for supporting him when they were promoting "Do What U Want" in 2013. As an obsessed Gaga fan and someone who had a lot more intel than imaginable during her career in 2013 & 2014, I'd like to share the facts you aren't getting because they aren't commonly known. Most of what you are about to read is reliable information I was given at the time, and some of it is speculation based on that information.

If A Star Is Born tells you anything about the music industry, it's that artists are persuaded or manipulated by their management more often than not. That is what happened here. LG had very little choice in working with R. Kelly. She had very little choice in a lot of the creative decisions behind the ARTPOP album as a whole. They used her name and that album to increase sales for multiple rap and R&B artists, including T.I., Twista, and Kelly.

When Interscope records decided last minute to make DWUW the second single from the album, she had a 12+ hour call with the record label begging them not to release the song as a single. It began the night they announced the single and ended later the next day. She lost the argument. Promotion began and she was locked into doing press and performances with Kelly. She then (probably intentionally) fucked up the music video and made it so controversial that the label wouldn't release it, the entire time keeping up a front on social media and interviews that she was so excited about it and about working with him -- because she had to. When the video was scrapped and the song pulled from radio, she said she was legally barred from talking about it (I am unsure where she said this but have checked with other fans to make sure I'm not the only one who remembers it).

Added tidbit: the song itself was not about sex until Interscope added R. Kelly to it. The original demo, the song as Gaga wrote it, is about making her fans a priority despite what touring puts her body through and despite what the media was writing in 2012 about her gaining weight. You can hear the original lyrics that were replaced by R. Kelly in the version with Christina Aguilera, available on all streaming services.

Ernest Owens is a name you're going to see in the articles because he sparked this conversation. He has been attacking her for days because she turned down an opportunity to talk about R. Kelly for the new Lifetime series, even though she legally can't. He even promised he would track her down at the Globes to get his interview... but he wasn't even at the Globes, nor was he invited (from what I've been told).

I've seen a couple people calling her silence an example of white feminism. This is not a race issue. What you have here is not a case of toxic white feminism but an attack against a woman who has been vulnerably and surprisingly open about her past experiences with rape and abuse, an attack because she is in the spotlight right now and it's easy to get attention by using her name. Some other artists who have worked with R. Kelly since the scandals started coming out but have yet to comment: Celine Dion, Diddy, Mary J. Blige , Lil Kim, Jay Z, Usher, T.I., Twista, Ludacris, Kid Rock, Keri Hilson, Lil Wayne, 2 Chainz, Snoop Dogg, Ciara, Bow Wow, PCD, Justin Bieber, Jennifer Hudson, Akon, Sean Paul, Kanye West, Robin Thicke, Kelly Rowland, and many more. That's not even half the list, that's just the most recognized names. OF COURSE Gaga is the one being attacked. She's about to win an Oscar and is at the peak of her career.

Do not let the story going around play on your emotions and put you against one of the bravest female, mental health, and LGBT+ advocates currently in Hollywood.

Update: Just to be clear, I hope R. Kelly spends the rest of his life in prison. I am defending LG. Not RK.

I think, if true, this might explain away some of the reasons Gaga had R Kelly on the song in the first place, but it doesn't do much for her case about her speaking out saying that "the media says untrue things about us" and whatnot.
 
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I don't think she should stick her ore in without being asked, it would take attention away from his victims and I don't think the GeePee cares enough about a little known song from 5 years ago for her to rock the boat like that. Definitely have a prepared statement in case she's asked, though.

She’s being called out by the producer of the documentary and several journalists. The only reason the GP don’t care is because it’s primarily an issue concerning black women.
 
I don't think she should stick her ore in without being asked, it would take attention away from his victims and I don't think the GeePee cares enough about a little known song from 5 years ago for her to rock the boat like that. Definitely have a prepared statement in case she's asked, though.

Sis... it peaked at #7 on Top 40 radio and at #13 on the Hot 100. Little known my ass.
 
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