Lady Gaga - Dawn of Chromatica

Vasilios

Vasilios

You guys are in a crisis.

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I'm on my way.
 
IMHO

IMHO

Andy French said:
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theelusivechanteuse said:
As I alluded to later, I'd rather her throw her clout and coin behind nationalized health care, striking Amazon workers, and nurse unions. That's a perfectly valid desire and simultaneously aligns with her supposed mission. I have to ask you and others to explain why she would choose to do this instead?
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Listen, I'm as disappointed as anyone that LG6 didn't end up being called Eat The Rich but, given what we can safely assume about Gaga's political leanings, I'm in the unenviable position of simply having to be grateful for every day that passes without her inevitable endorsement of Joe Biden (welp). With that in mind, I'm not going to hold my breath for her to suddenly attempt to actively dismantle the capitalist establishment, especially when said establishment won't even let a progressive get to the convention if they can help it. It's not about what I would choose for her to do in ideal scenario, it's what I expect of her in a realistic one.

Rich Musician Lady Gaga organising a Rich Musician get-together after about two weeks of calling in favours, with millions of dollars going to healthcare workers, seems more realistically within her remit than her suddenly trying and enact long-term structural political change (because, of course, celebrities pushing a political agenda, however laudable, would never be seen as a branding exercise...). Rightly or wrongly, big philanthropic gestures are more her style and, as those go, her saying "put your money away and enjoy this thing" seems to be at least not overtly tone deaf.

And, yes, I would love for her to make a statement by cutting ties with Amazon because, even pre-pandemic, we knew their treatment of workers was terrible. However, in terms of the fanbase's priorities when the deal was first announced, those ethical concerns were largely outweighed by the concern that they were shipping makeup and not new music.

I have no idea if this event is truly what she had in mind she originally announced the album delay via that bitterly disappointing iOS press release, which she didn't even have the good grace to throw on some Chromatica-branded stationary. However, at least now if someone asks her a very fair question about the delay "What did you do successfully...quickly", she has something somewhat tangible to answer with. Now drop the damn album so we can find out if all this handwringing was even worth it.

Sanctuary said:
I'm glad Gaga decided to do this. It is a generous act of charity that is going to a good cause. She did that! Yes, queen.

I still also believe 90% of her wealth and the wealth of everyone on that lineup and every CEO of every company involved should be expropriated by a global government agency and redistributed.
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I think in summary, the way I feel about this event is how I feel about people volunteering for the NHS and posting a photo in their uniform with a hashtag for the volunteers. Or Miley showing up with food packages. Or any other person doing a good deed and taking a photo of it for Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it. It's better to do something and tell people about it, than do nothing at all. They are still inherently good people doing a good thing. But... something in me finds it off-putting that you couldn't just volunteer and show up in your housekeeping scrubs. You had to have the post and show people you were doing it. Gaga couldn't just put a system in place that takes money from the rich and puts it in the WHO's pocket, she wants her selfie. And that's fine. But there will always be people that are rubbed the wrong way by it, and those people are allowed to feel that way. And likewise there will always be people who are like "but it raises awareness, it gets more money/help..." and that is true too! I really don't think there is any right or wrong in this "argument". I really don't. The whole issue seems to stem from the "pro-charity" side having to be right and not being able to accept that charity can provoke criticism. It doesn't matter if your checklist is seemingly full of ticks and you're left asking "what is wrong? Why can't you see that this is good?". I do feel some type of way about it and I won't be shamed for that.

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Sleepycat

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Suburbia said:
But... something in me finds it off-putting that you couldn't just volunteer and show up in your housekeeping scrubs. You had to have the post and show people you were doing it. Gaga couldn't just put a system in place that takes money from the rich and puts it in the WHO's pocket, she wants her selfie. And that's fine. But there will always be people that are rubbed the wrong way by it, and those people are allowed to feel that way.
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One possibility worth considering too, though, is that some people actually do like seeing and hearing about large amounts of money going in to these efforts – I don't know about anyone else but in these dark times I do sort of want to know that big amounts of money are moving around, it makes me feel that we are making progress towards a solution, however illusionary those feelings might be in reality. I'm better off knowing $35million is going somewhere than not knowing, you know?
 
LGStan93

LGStan93

Suburbia said:
But there will always be people that are rubbed the wrong way by it, and those people are allowed to feel that way. And likewise there will always be people who are like "but it raises awareness, it gets more money/help..." and that is true too! I really don't think there is any right or wrong in this "argument". I really don't. The whole issue seems to stem from the "pro-charity" side having to be right and not being able to accept that charity can provoke criticism. It doesn't matter if your checklist is seemingly full of ticks and you're left asking "what is wrong? Why can't you see that this is good?". I do feel some type of way about it and I won't be shamed for that.

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Mr Blonde

Mr Blonde

I mean, this event is probably the least tone deaf act done by a millionaire/celebrity (hardly a high bar dddd) so there's that. And I do appreciate the concept of this event as entertainment for the masses rather than a telethon guilt tripping already financially burdened folks into shelling out a few dollars. I still don't understand why this has to occur in spite of the album, as I'd find that far more entertaining than whatever this line up. I guess she doesn't want to be hawking an album while doing charity, but then why release the cover?

It's a nice gesture that all the money came from folks with way too much of it, but l'm always skeptical about corporate donations and where that money actually ends up. What does $35 million "donated to health care workers" look like? What are the tangible downstream effects?

I'm not patting anyone on the back too hard for this but good for her.
 
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Mirwais Ahmadzaï

Mirwais Ahmadzaï

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Maneck said:
Not everyone has to love it. Yet please tell me, what is the issue? What is there to be uncomfortable about when the improvement of lives is involved? Nobody is asking you to think that this is the coolest thing in the world. But the least you could do is act the slightest bit humble, as it is a very good cause.

Here’s the thing, somebody is doing something highly noble by generating money for those in dire need. Usually it is us, the workers, pressured to do this. We can’t, a lot of us are out of jobs, we are scared for our families. This is reality. It is acts such as hers that takes the pressure off even just a tiny bit, and it really will help lives. That in itself should be enough to recognize that this needs to happen and it will for the better. It’s not about her, me or you; it’s about you know...the lives that could potentially be saved?

Now I could see the issue in her sitting back and doing nothing, but that’s not the case is it. You don’t have to apologize sis (even when it is sarcastic) because quite frankly, if we’re not able to get up and help out a cause, the least we can do is offer moral support where it is due. Like for the life of me I seriously can’t understand the purpose of this attitude? What, should she cancel the whole thing because you feel uncomfortable? Should she feel guilty for raising money for charity? Do you think cynicism will benefit the lives involved? Please, reassess your attitude.

You know, you can look at what she’s done as a positive and beneficial thing, because it literally is, whilst also admiring and acknowledging the hard efforts of others. Just because I find what she’s done admirable, it does not mean I’m saying a big fuck you to other charitable causes. I know there are charities out there, she’s just the first public figure I’ve personally seen that has done something and spoken up. That notion that I’m against charity or something, which is based on a few words that you’ve took highly seriously, if anything, is simply naive, assumptions and inappropriate.

There comes a point where whether you like it or not, you should know it’s for the best. Know that negativity only serves to pull good deeds backwards.Those people saying this is a great moment for her career? Well, I haven’t thought that or personally seen it, but if you see that, it doesn’t represent the actual view of the situation. That’s just childish stans who need to come back to reality.

I mean everyone can be cynical, but I fail to understand at this point how it serves a purpose. If anything, if people are cynical of her raising money for those in need, these people surely are projecting some sort of misplaced anger, and have nothing better to do. It comes off as bitter and immature.

Never said you had issue in the first place though. Wasn’t addressed to you, or anyone in particular, but you chose to take it seriously and show your cynicism.
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I never said there was an issue. I never said the money raised is a bad thing. I said that this (TV event) wasn't for me and that's okay—the likes of which has been met with the general tone of this thread complaining that people are complaining, for ... the millionth time this album cycle?

And posts like yours, which I responded to because the last line particularly irked me, suggesting that anyone who has any problem with this has an issue? Which has now grown to include... harboring misplaced anger, having nothing better to do, and being bitter and immature?

(And for what it's worth, I singled out the line about a public figure finally doing something because there had been a comment on Gaga's career arc, which has since been very nicely elaborated on and cleared up.)

My attitude comes from the fact that people who are partaking in discussion and, for the most part, raising reasonable concerns about philanthrocapitalism are being met with a good old fashioned finger-wagging. Maybe you are misinterpreting what people have actually been cynical about, because it's not "Gaga is raising money for those in need".
 
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