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Lady Gaga - General Discussion

Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by cherryboomboom, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. I think one of my favourite things about Born This Way was the entire mythology and universe she created by throwing together religious imagery and her fantastical version of New York (with a detour through steampunk Nebraska) to present queer stories of liberty, compassion, resilience, community, and self-love. She really took us from Gay Genesis through antiquity into an Industrial revolution and then modern times all in one colossal album campaign.
  2. The way she gave them the Chromatica Ball today

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  3. Regarding the Born This Way covers album, do we think it’ll strictly be other artists singing songs from the album, or will Gaga be on it at all? Duets with other artists maybe?
  4. Still can’t believe her magnum opus received zero Grammys. It just doesn’t sit right with my spirit

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  5. Pffft Grammys are crap.
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  6. The fact that this album came out four years before I came out is so surreal to me because of how different of a place I was in mentally. I was in grade 11, dating a girl I’m still friends with, being relentlessly harassed for being gay despite me doing everything I could to try and pretend and convince myself and those around me I wasn’t. Months after trying to go back into the closet after coming out to my parents as bisexual and then backtracking and claiming it was a phase. Suicidal ideation. Misery. Hope. Believing I’d be in a loveless, sexless marriage or kill myself by the time I was 30 to end my suffering. Wanting so badly to be straight and jacking off to gay porn while telling myself that I’d stop when I get married to a woman. All while this fucking album was blasting in the background, giving me some naive sliver of hope.

    When I listened to this album, nothing I just said above mattered. I just felt free and I felt happy, and I felt like everything someday would be ok. I could come out, my parents could still love me, and I’d have a great life. But only when this album was playing. Outside of that the dark reality of what I was going through was a perpetual cloud over my fantastical idea of what my life could be. When I needed that hope, that inspiration, that fantasy of a life I thought I’d never lead, a dream that could never be a reality, one where I could be openly gay, accept and love myself, and have my family and friends still by my side, I’d slap this record on. It was my safe space, my haven, my protection from the life I so stringently believed I’d live - a life of hiding, a life of sadness and self resentment, a wasted time on earth.

    Despite my desperate appeal to convince not only myself, but others around me that I was straight, I was never silent about my love for Gaga, and especially not this album. Like Achilles shooting his own self in the heel, I was so vocal about my love for this album, and for the woman who wrote it. It only fueled the flames of the homophobia and bullying I endured in high school, but it was still so important to me.

    I write this now, ten years later, thinking about the time where I could never, in a thousand years, have imagined I would live as an openly confident, and loved by my family and friends, gay man. This woman, and this stupid, insane, kitchen sink, balls to the walls banger of a fucking album is what, and who I have to thank for it.

    I was having a hard time earlier trying to come up with a post dedicated to this album, and what I just said doesn’t scratch the surface of how it has changed my life, but I think it gives a pretty good idea.

    Listening to this album today, despite how fucked up the world is, made me really happy. It made me think of how far I’ve come, and how I’m living a life that seemed so far out of reach from when I originally heard this record. So many of us have this exact same story, all tied to some synths, drums, and powerful (and often times ridiculous) lyrics. It’s amazing what music can do.

    Thank you Gaga; for this album, for what you have done for society, and for the inspiration you have given millions of queer kids around the globe. You truly have changed the world. There are a lot of us who wouldn’t still be here today if it wasn’t for this album with the dumbest fucking cover I have ever seen.

    Paws up!
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  7. He's a stylist and his main client is Bella Thorne! 90% of this generation's fashion people were/are Gaga stans.
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  8. The vessel I used to listen to this album daily in high school

  9. This thread over the weekend was the rush of serotonin I needed.
  10. So great to see her acknowledge this beautiful album.

    Have they put anything on her store? Do we think anything is coming?
  11. Me watching the Grammys that night seeing Adele winning all the big awards thinking that they were gonna give Gaga AOTY. Still hurts.
  12. It is coming later this week, not sure when...
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  14. I don't think I'll ever have the capacity to verbally express how subconsciously formative this album was for me. Someone mentioned earlier that they thought 'I'll probably never be happy' during those days and that's exactly how I felt. I clung onto the escape that this, Femme Fatale and other ridiculously gay/femme pop albums provided at the time. Some gave me a reason to dance and others just spoke to me like a mantra until I understood that I'm not the freak but the world around me is, and I'll have to learn to navigate through that. I'll always associate the memories of this album with me and my mom playing this in the car and the CD not leaving the player for months. She loved the melodies but didn't really understand the lyrics so I was trying to explain bits to her. She loved how happy it made me but didn't realise that it stood against a lot of her beliefs.

    And then I went to the Born This Way Ball in Bucharest, my first ever concert and the first time I saw so many people like me in the same place. And for Romania, it was probably... one of the biggest queer culture moments where so many people of that kind gathered together and celebrated.

    Happy anniversary, Born This Way. We made in on the other side!
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  15. These beautiful posts should've been part of a Born This Way (Album) thread.

    Also, my generation didn't really have an album like this for various reasons but the fact yours did and the current one can have someone like Lil Nas X doing his thing... love seeing it.
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  16. I was thinking about that. My pop awakening was Ray of Light and while Madonna was always a huge supporter of the LGBTQ+ community, her music was never as explicitly Queer as something like Born this Way. I wonder if I would accept and love myself a little bit more if I had something like that in my life during my formative years.

    Then again, probably not since my own family kept telling me that being gay was disgusting and shameful and something to be avoided at all costs.
  17. Madonna did a lot of stuff for queer communities, from playing AIDS benefit events in the early 80s, including HIV info on Like A Prayer, giving queer people visibility on Truth Or Dare, she raised us all basically.

    She just didn't have an album that was a love letter to the queer community like Born This Way is - and that is alright. She just never had this mother-like relationship with her fans, pop stardom was just different in the 80s and 90s. Gaga practically lived with the type of kids that inspired Born This Way for years inviting them to her shows, her tourbus, her bed basically.

    Anyway I don't think Madonna needs to be part of this story dd.
  18. I didn't have an *awakening* moment to that extent with Born This Way as other people from my generation did, as I was already incredibly immersed in pop (particularly Madonna's music by that point and somewhat formed an understanding of themes that Gaga tackled in Born This Way). But, as mentioned, she was explicit and blatantly queer and it was particularly formative because I was experiencing it in real time. It nurtured something in me then and there. It was the pat on the shoulder I needed at that moment.

    Basically. Different expressions of the same sentiment for other generations.
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  19. Yeah it was not my intention to pit the two women against each other, just relaying my personal story.

    I just think kids are lucky now to have artists that come out to explicitly say that being gay does not mean you're broken or that you have to be an outcast.
  20. Happy 10 year anniversary to me breaking the news of the 99 cent sale on Amazon:

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