Discussion in 'Pop & Justice' started by cherryboomboom, Dec 22, 2009.
I don't think I'll ever have the capacity to verbally express how subconsciously formative this album was for me. Someone mentioned earlier that they thought 'I'll probably never be happy' during those days and that's exactly how I felt. I clung onto the escape that this, Femme Fatale and other ridiculously gay/femme pop albums provided at the time. Some gave me a reason to dance and others just spoke to me like a mantra until I understood that I'm not the freak but the world around me is, and I'll have to learn to navigate through that. I'll always associate the memories of this album with me and my mom playing this in the car and the CD not leaving the player for months. She loved the melodies but didn't really understand the lyrics so I was trying to explain bits to her. She loved how happy it made me but didn't realise that it stood against a lot of her beliefs.
And then I went to the Born This Way Ball in Bucharest, my first ever concert and the first time I saw so many people like me in the same place. And for Romania, it was probably... one of the biggest queer culture moments where so many people of that kind gathered together and celebrated.
Happy anniversary, Born This Way. We made in on the other side!
These beautiful posts should've been part of a Born This Way (Album) thread.
Also, my generation didn't really have an album like this for various reasons but the fact yours did and the current one can have someone like Lil Nas X doing his thing... love seeing it.
I was thinking about that. My pop awakening was Ray of Light and while Madonna was always a huge supporter of the LGBTQ+ community, her music was never as explicitly Queer as something like Born this Way. I wonder if I would accept and love myself a little bit more if I had something like that in my life during my formative years.
Then again, probably not since my own family kept telling me that being gay was disgusting and shameful and something to be avoided at all costs.
Madonna did a lot of stuff for queer communities, from playing AIDS benefit events in the early 80s, including HIV info on Like A Prayer, giving queer people visibility on Truth Or Dare, she raised us all basically.
She just didn't have an album that was a love letter to the queer community like Born This Way is - and that is alright. She just never had this mother-like relationship with her fans, pop stardom was just different in the 80s and 90s. Gaga practically lived with the type of kids that inspired Born This Way for years inviting them to her shows, her tourbus, her bed basically.
Anyway I don't think Madonna needs to be part of this story dd.
I didn't have an *awakening* moment to that extent with Born This Way as other people from my generation did, as I was already incredibly immersed in pop (particularly Madonna's music by that point and somewhat formed an understanding of themes that Gaga tackled in Born This Way). But, as mentioned, she was explicit and blatantly queer and it was particularly formative because I was experiencing it in real time. It nurtured something in me then and there. It was the pat on the shoulder I needed at that moment.
Basically. Different expressions of the same sentiment for other generations.
Yeah it was not my intention to pit the two women against each other, just relaying my personal story.
I just think kids are lucky now to have artists that come out to explicitly say that being gay does not mean you're broken or that you have to be an outcast.
Happy 10 year anniversary to me breaking the news of the 99 cent sale on Amazon:
I don't think I can properly express how much this album means to me. As a young faguette who was doubting his sexuality at the times (and was scared by it) I was starting to absorb all the messages that were coming through when she first posted the Born This Way lyrics on her twitter. I was beyond excited, immediately translated the lyrics into Czech language and went to recite them to my parents in the living room (dd)
The morning I found out the album leaked I promptly downloaded it into my mp4 player (almost missed the train lol) and played it into headphones on my way to school. I experienced multiple eargasms but the biggest one (on the first listen) was Heavy Metal Lover. My teen wig with the whole closet flew to the fucking orbit and never came back. Then we took a school trip to England and I had the album of a mf loop the whole time. Born This Way Ball Tour in Veinna was also a ride of my life.
My gen z friend told me just yesterday he has very ambivalet feelings about the album and I tried explainig to him that this album is so much more to me than just the music. It was the whole era, the philosophy, her attitude, interviews, meltdowns/leaks on forums, performances, artistic expression, not giving a fuck about mainstream and finally her standing for queer community as the biggest pop star at the time with the platform people would listen to. It was endlessly inspiring and endrosing. Suddenly for the first time in my life I got the feeling that's it's okay that I'm (called) a weirdo and I realized it's not only okay, but that it's a part of my personality people can fall in love with. Thus begun the journey of me learning how to love myslef and I won't ever be able to thank her enough for that.
All that was happening the last day left me a bit emotional as I recalled all of these both painful and beautiful times of 2011 being grateful they happend. Paws up!
Reading everyone’s experience with this album is so heartwarming
Wasn't Norman Reedus Judas?
At my Monster Ball show I left the GA line to use a portapotty (ew) and two guys were asking me how old I was, saying how lucky I was to have an artist like Gaga and how they wished she was around growing up.
They then went into the toilet for a quickie but a sweet moment nonetheless.
Donatella Versace said she and Gaga collaborated on a shirt of the anniversary. Excited to see what it looks like!
Dd this says "re-live moments" from her, so it's probably just her performance from 2009
Who exactly needs to relive a Camila Cabello performance?
Oh wow, here’s an interview from 2011 where she mentions Carl Bean
Sorry to do it but I'm gonna need to start seeing some dream collaborators for the ~reinterpreted~ album. Robyn? Peaches? Kylie? Dua? K*m P*tr*s? CHER?
Why has this brought back a repressed memory of 2 gays heating something up on the back of a spoon in the middle of the London Born This Way Ball queue. My mum made us leave and we ended up swapping our standing tickets for seated at the box office when we came back in the evening nn, she was having none of that Monster Pit debauchery!!
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