Madonna - 15th Album
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I might as well say it...I've never been a massive fan of Max Martin's stuff. It's rarely interesting and I wouldn't call him an innovator. Madonna's best work was often with producers who were slightly avant-garde and experimental, who she would then twist slightly and make their work more 'pop'. Working with someone as....conventional as Martin doesn't particularly excite me.
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Yeah, him dropping these this past year...
He's very hit and miss for me these days. That Lizzo track being the worst thing on the album but then it also having "2 Be Loved, which is one of the best on the album that Max also worked on – can't say he doesn't have range, I guess! I'm a bit more hopeful since this is Madonna and not someone on their second major label album and trying to cement themselves or someone else struggling to find a sound or identity as an artist and struggling to even get their album released so they have to settle.
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I shudder to think Madonna looked up Kim Petras before the Grammy's to hear her music and that was the first track she landed on/actually liked and then called up Max nn.
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I trust Madonna to shame Max into delivering quality.
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This narrative needs to stop. With the exception of Mirwais, Madonna has never truly worked with avant-garde or experimental producers.
Lest we forget that some of her finest work was produced by Patrick Leonard, as “conventional” as they come.
So yes, send her straight to No 1, Max Martin/Warner Bros. payola!~
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It's not even a bad song, it's just an unfinished one. I agree Max's track record lately hasn't been stellar, but I also think some of that is because the type of sound he excels at - big, anthemic, POP with capital letters - isn't necessarily en vogue right now. If he and Madonna are just doing their own thing and not trying to make Unholy part 2, we should be ok.
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Screech there's always one.
Apparently Erotica while on the Blond Ambition tour, fans say you can hear a second of the intro of the old demo version of Thief of Hearts playing on cassette whiles she’s in her dressing room.
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Max Martin?!? She wants revenge.
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The acoustic version would be great for her, honestly. Get Mirwais to co-produce and it's an American Life track. But yeah, what @Drew said about it being unfinished (which is probably more to do with Kim's lack of budget than anything else).
I could see us getting a Rebel Heart 2.0 from M where it's a buffet of sounds and just good songs, which would be so great coming off the heaviness of Madame X.
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I've been hoping she's work with Max Martin for a while - I'm surprised he wasn't on Rebel Heart tbh...
She started working on Erotica during the filming of A League Of Their Own, as written by Pettibone in his Erotica Diaries:
The Erotica Diary [July-August 1991]
I wanted to start writing again. The last project I had worked on with Madonna was The Immaculate Collection but that was just a month and a half of working with that QSound stuff. I knew I could do something great after Vogue and Rescue Me so I just started putting tracks together with my assistant, Tony Shimkin. I wanted to have a few songs for Madonna to listen to when I went out to Chicago, were she was filming A League Of Their Own. I had no idea that she was planning to do an album at that time, but then again, neither did she.
I arrived in Chicago on July 8th and gave Madonna a cassette. I told her to give it a listen and tell me what she thought. She said she'd listen to it in the car, in the trailer, wherever she could. A few days later, I heard back from her. Madonna liked all the songs - three out of three. I decided to work on a few more. Usually, when I sit down to write, it isn't as if I have a specific person in mind for any one song. By the time I get to a certain place in the music, it begins to mold itself an identity and I think, "Hey, this person would like that." At the time, Cathy Dennis, Taylor Dayne, or Madonna were the primary inspirations for a variety of songs.
Deeper and Deeper, Erotica, Rain and Thief of Hearts made up the first batch of songs we worked on together. I did the music and she wrote the words. Sometimes I'd give her some ideas lyrically and she'd go: "Oh, that's good," or "That sucks." I remember when I gave her some ideas lyrically for Vogue and she said, very curtly, "That's what I do." Essentially, her songs are her stories. They're the things she wants to say.
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The very thought of Honey Dijon production with an immense Maxdonna topline...mmmmmmmmm yes
