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Madonna: The Discography Rate - COMPLETE

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by RJF, Apr 19, 2020.

  1. “And the next time you want pussy, baby...just look in a mirror” is an amazing kiss-off. Queen of emasculation
     
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  2. I just love how she sounds on "Waiting." So weary. So fucking over it. It's such a mood.
     
  3. I love everything about Waiting. Every gloriously sleazy second of it.

    And that Everlast remix slaps, too.

    = every gay man who's ever fallen in love with a "curious" guy, who is then later ashamed of/denies said curiosity.
     
  4. Waiting is so bloody good (I say that alot lately)
    It exudes sultryness and slight exasperation, I always relisten whenever it comes on, it's five minutes of greatness.
     
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  5. Plus Waiting has a bit of 'Each time you break my heart' for extra fabulousness.
     
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  6. Hoping for a sexy anthem as our next cut is #69
     
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  7. Where Life Begins should still be in just so it could be #69 for the gag.

    (It should have stayed longer than it did anyway.)
     
  8. No one who has posted their top 20 has included my 11 in it ddd.

    I'm pretty sure only @dodoriazarbon included it but that was a top 40 list.
     
  9. Oh, "Waiting" leaving at this point is unexpected - I thought it was safe for another ~10 eliminations. I didn't score it too highly, though there are certainly moments that deserve praise (the middle-8/post-chorus is glorious).
    I always see it as the centerpiece of the album, in a sense that it combines all of the ingredients found throughout the album (the talking parts, singing parts, rapped parts, double entendre lyrics etc.) and therefore the most valuable non-single from "Erotica". It's actually my third favourite song from the album.

    For comparison, this is the final ranking of "Erotica" album tracks in this rate:
    1. Thief of Hearts
    2. Waiting
    3. Words

    And this is my own ranking:
    1. Waiting
    2. Why's It So Hard
    3. Thief of Hearts

    Not too far apart, although it reminds me of how underrated "Why's It So Hard" is.

    "Waiting" (or basically any other more suggestive "Erotica" track) leaving at #69 would've been iconic. It still isn't ruled out, actually.
     
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  10. RJF

    RJF

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    69

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    SCORE: 8.085


    2015 PLACEMENT: DOWN 23 - 46 of 210 (8.162)
    HIGHEST SCORE: 10 x 19 (@nikkysan @Andreas @No hay banda @P'NutButter @eatyourself @Dangerous Maknae @tylerc904 @sfmartin @Andrew.L @elear @scottdisick94 @Drew @unnameable @RetroPhysical @citoig @aaronhansome @Remorque @Music Is Life @Weslicious)
    LOWEST SCORE: 4 x 2 (@rdp @Pop Life)
    MY SCORE: 8/10

    And in what should surprise absolutely no one, history repeats itself and "Ghosttown" is the last remaining track from Rebel Heart in the rate. "Devil Pray" might have fallen overall, but it has at least vaulted over "Living For Love" to take the silver position on the album. So many albums now down to a scant amount of tracks... Like A Virgin, Hard Candy, Rebel Heart, and Madame X. Which will be the first to go?

    Let me maybe just come up to bat for this one a lil bit since I feel like y'all have been coming for it just a biT too much recently. This is a great Madonna song. No asterisk or caveat required; it's a great, contemporary pop song done by the queen of contemporary pop songs. She sounds like warm caramel throughout after a couple albums of poor mixing and mastering, the production is dynamic and twisting and intriguing (back when BloodPop had talent) and... it's not anymore hokey in subject matter than most Madonna songs regarding religion and faith and piety and sin. If this was on American Life and she was talking about making the devil a Kabbalah bracelet y'all would be wiping a single tear from your cheek at how moved you were and be giving it full marks, so I'm not entirely sure what it did recently to be worth of such sneering derision recently. I don't even think it's done badly, or that it should be going much further than this, but it's felt like a weirdly easy target in the thread recently.

    Anyway.

    The song is basically about how we're all striving to touch a little bit of divinity and all the different ways we attempt to do that, with some only bringing us down rather than raising us up. It's... hard to know if it's being irresponsible, judgemental, neither, or both? Madonna's gone on record saying that she's tried pretty much everything but never got the appeal, but she's also said that people getting high are only looking to get closer to God when... some people just want to unwind after a stressful Tuesday, sis. Plus, weren't you stunting on Instagram with a bowl just last week for your birthday? Sit down. But still: a bop.

    The song was performed as part of Rebel Heart's mostly blasphemous opening salvo, and it even received a promo outing on Italian television. I'm surprised it generally wasn't utilised more; it's overall very strong and would have probably ended itself to a great video if the tour performance is anything to go by.





     
  11. Waiting was one of my biggest rate discoveries, and I’m sad to see it go now. The song is an edge, it edges, edging is its field.
     
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  12. RJF

    RJF


    Lucky Star
    Borderline
    Burning Up
    Holiday

    Material Girl
    Like A Virgin
    Dress You Up

    Papa Don't Preach
    Open Your Heart
    Live To Tell
    La Isla Bonita

    Like A Prayer
    Express Yourself
    Till Death Do Us Part
    Cherish
    Oh Father

    Vogue

    Erotica
    Deeper And Deeper
    Bad Girl
    Thief Of Hearts
    Rain

    Secret
    Human Nature
    Bedtime Story
    Take A Bow

    Drowned World/Substitute For Love
    Swim
    Ray Of Light
    Skin
    Nothing Really Matters
    Sky Fits Heaven
    Frozen
    The Power Of Goodbye
    To Have And Not To Hold
    Mer Girl

    Music
    Impressive Instant
    Don't Tell Me
    What It Feels Like For A Girl
    Paradise (Not For Me)
    Gone

    American Life
    Hollywood
    Love Profusion
    Nothing Fails
    Intervention
    X-Static Process
    Die Another Day
    Easy Ride

    Hung Up
    Get Together
    Sorry
    Future Lovers
    Forbidden Love
    Jump
    Isaac

    Give It 2 Me
    Miles Away

    Ghosttown

    Medellín (Feat. Maluma)
    God Control
    Crave (Feat. Swae Lee)

    Into The Groove
    Crazy For You
    Justify My Love
    Rescue Me
    Beautiful Stranger​
     
  13. RJF

    RJF

    Oh, and just for old time's sake, the leaderboard. Look at how many songs we've eliminated!
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    69. Devil Pray - 8.085
    70. Waiting - 8.048
    71. Sanctuary - 8.033
    72. I Don't Search I Find - 8.012
    73. True Blue - 7.994
    74. I Deserve It - 7.988
    75. Nobody Knows Me - 7.985
    76. Living For Love - 7.976
    77. You'll See - 7.973
    78. Devil Wouldn't Recognize You - 7.952
    79. Promise To Try - 7.945
    80. Rebel Heart - 7.942
    81. Words - 7.93
    82. Bitch I'm Madonna (Feat. Nicki Minaj) - 7.912
    83. I Want You (With Massive Attack) - 7.906
    84. Mother And Father - 7.903
    85. Let It Will Be - 7.894
    86. Spanish Eyes - 7.888
    87. Who's That Girl - 7.86
    88. I'll Remember - 7.833
    89. Time Stood Still - 7.785
    90. Celebration - 7.748
    91. Has To Be - 7.727
    92. Causing A Commotion - 7.715
    93. Joan Of Arc - 7.685
    94. Keep It Together - 7.661
    95. Inside Of Me - 7.636
    96. Angel - 7.63
    96. Like It Or Not - 7.63
    98. Survival - 7.597
    99. Amazing - 7.579
    100. White Heat - 7.567
    101. Secret Garden - 7.555
    102. In This Life - 7.542
    103. Love Spent - 7.521
    104. Bye Bye Baby - 7.515
    105. Runaway Lover - 7.512
    106. Where Life Begins - 7.494
    107. How High - 7.47
    108. Fever - 7.464
    109. Love Tried To Welcome Me - 7.455
    110. Candy Perfume Girl - 7.452
    111. Forbidden Love (1994) - 7.427
    111. Faz Gostoso (Feat. Anitta) - 7.427
    113. Little Star - 7.421
    113. Come Alive - 7.421
    115. Everybody - 7.406
    116. Dark Ballet - 7.394
    117. Don't Cry For Me Argentina - 7.382
    118. I Rise - 7.367
    119. 4 Minutes (Feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland) - 7.345
    120. She's Not Me - 7.315
    121. Physical Attraction - 7.309
    121. Why's It So Hard - 7.309
    121. This Used To Be My Playground - 7.309
    124. Dear Jessie - 7.3
    125. Heartbeat - 7.285
    126. Inside Out - 7.239
    127. Where's The Party - 7.188
    128. Falling Free - 7.179
    129. Crazy - 7.173
    130. Nobody's Perfect - 7.139
    131. I'm So Stupid - 7.127
    132. Push - 7.112
    132. I'm Addicted - 7.112
    134. Masterpiece - 7.091
    135. American Pie - 7.085
    136. Body Shop - 7.061
    137. Unapologetic Bitch - 7.058
    137. Extreme Occident - 7.058
    139. Looking For Mercy - 7.042
    140. You Must Love Me - 7.024
    141. Goodbye To Innocence - 7.009
    142. Gang Bang - 6.939
    143. Holy Water - 6.915
    144. Gambler - 6.912
    145. Think Of Me - 6.906
    146. Beat Goes On (Feat. Kanye West) - 6.894
    147. Beautiful Killer - 6.884
    148. Hold Tight - 6.873
    149. The Look Of Love - 6.824
    150. Future (Feat. Quavo) - 6.8
    151. Batuka - 6.791
    152. Voices - 6.785
    153. Best Night - 6.755
    154. Veni Vidi Vici (Feat. Nas) - 6.752
    154. Broken (I'm Sorry) - 6.752
    156. Shanti / Ashtangi - 6.73
    157. Addicted - 6.712
    158. Iconic (Feat. Chance The Rapper & Mike Tyson) - 6.702
    158. Ciao Bella - 6.702
    160. Spotlight - 6.694
    161. I Love New York - 6.652
    162. Messiah - 6.639
    163. Love Song - 6.621
    163. I'd Rather Be Your Lover - 6.621
    165. Supernatural - 6.615
    166. Candy Shop - 6.588
    167. Wash All Over Me - 6.561
    168. HeartBreakCity - 6.558
    169. Bitch I'm Loca (Feat. Maluma) - 6.548
    170. Your Honesty - 6.524
    171. Beautiful Scars - 6.461
    172. Something To Remember - 6.458
    173. Love Don't Live Here Anymore - 6.448
    174. Over And Over - 6.433
    175. Another Suitcase In Another Hall - 6.409
    176. Stay - 6.367
    177. Don't Stop - 6.339
    178. Girl Gone Wild - 6.324
    179. I Know It - 6.267
    180. Act Of Contrition - 6.245
    181. Fighting Spirit - 6.227
    182. I Don't Give A (Feat. Nicki Minaj) - 6.203
    183. It's So Cool - 6.191
    184. Illuminati - 6.167
    185. Funana - 6.161
    186. Dance 2Night - 6.152
    187. Borrowed Time - 6.118
    187. History - 6.118
    189. Sooner Or Later - 6.109
    189. One More Chance - 6.109
    191. Back That Up To The Beat - 6.076
    192. Let Down Your Guard - 6.036
    193. Killers Who Are Partying - 6.015
    194. I'm A Sinner - 6.012
    195. I Fucked Up - 5.964
    196 - Some Girls - 5.933
    197. He's A Man - 5.924
    198. Give Me All Your Luvin' (Feat. Nicki Minaj & M.I.A.) - 5.921
    199. Buenos Aires - 5.894
    200. Super Pop - 5.848
    201. Revolver (Feat. Lil Wayne) - 5.827
    202. Can't Stop - 5.776
    203. Ain't No Big Deal - 5.736
    204. Turn Up The Radio - 5.727
    205. Best Friend - 5.721
    206. Graffiti Heart - 5.697
    207. Hanky Panky - 5.691
    208. Love Makes The World Go Round - 5.679
    209. Back In Business - 5.67
    210. Pretender - 5.661
    211. Lament - 5.615
    212. Cyber-Raga - 5.603
    213. Incredible - 5.545
    214. Jimmy Jimmy - 5.521
    215. Now I'm Following You - 5.497
    216. Ring My Bell - 5.424
    217. S.E.X. - 5.373
    218. Spanish Lesson - 4.997
    219. Shoo-Bee-Doo - 4.948
    220. More - 4.852
    221. What Can You Lose - 4.436
    222. Superstar - 4.391
    223. Auto-Tune Baby - 4.121
    224. Cry Baby - 3.367
    225. I'm Going Bananas - 3.327
    226. B-Day Song (Feat. M.I.A.) - 3.000
    227. Hey You - 2.976
     
  14. I don't think Devil Pray is bad by any means; everything @RJF says about it is generally correct. But I'm just kind of surprised it's the penultimate Rebel Heart track to fall?

    Ghosttown remaining, however, is 110% correct. The hit that should have been.
     
  15. RJF

    RJF

    thank u
     
  16. I like Devil Pray but there's plenty of better songs on Rebel Heart.
    Even looking at it completely objectively, I'm surprised it came second.
     
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  18. R27

    R27

    Well none of these last three eliminations was ideal. Some of y'all did way too much over Devil's Pray, which has one of the most interesting production treatments she's done over the past decade (maybe ever tbh). Still, most of my remaining scores are 8+, so this is bound to get a little painful. Plus, a lot of my lower remaining scores are pretty popular, so it might be awhile until I see them go.
     
  19. My 90’s 11 (Waiting) doing so well is always nice but Thief Of Hearts beating it... it’s getting weird.

    Fuck a Devil Pray. Bye beast.


    Have you... listened to her discography? It’s a decent song and I’m being harsh because of where we are in the rate but really.
     
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  20. Was sad to see Waiting go. One of my favourites from Madonna’s masterpiece.

    Then, I went to a thrift shop and saw a gentleman buying Erotica - as we all should.

    Even when she loses, Madonna wins.

    The universe is - and should be - in favour of the Queen of Pop.
     
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