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Madonna: The Discography Rate - COMPLETE

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by RJF, Apr 19, 2020.

  1. I'm remembering my childhood, and I thoroughly remember the arm full of plastic bangles phase of the 80s. Man I miss those days. I remember the fishnet gloves, they never went out of fashion on Planet Goth. I've no idea what a "Boy Toy" belt was.

    *has flashbacks to girls with a ton of bangles*
     
  2. matthew.

    matthew. Staff Member

    'The Power Of Goodbye' is really the only song left that makes perfect sense to go.
     
  3. You making 90 likes off my soul and just forgetting about it?

    Trust, you will be dealt with.

    Peridot peridot.

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  4. You kinda have to stan the fact that Ray of Light has 3-4 songs in the top 10 when some of these girls have been out since before the Top 50. An album. THE album.
     
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  5. I will settle for The Power of Good-Bye leaving at 11, just because I see some of you heathens calling out for Ray of Light and Live to Tell, the pinnacles of Madonna's discography, even though the song that should rightfully miss out on the top 10 is Hung Up, but let's have that conversation when it goes out in the top 5 and you realize how many better songs it managed to outlast.
     
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  6. RJF

    RJF

    Let's do this.














































































































































































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    SCORE: 9.406

    11 x 5

    @Andreas
    @P'NutButter
    @Skyline
    @Filippa
    @Rogue

    2015 PLACEMENT: UP 7 - 18 of 210 (8.838)
    HIGHEST SCORE: 10 x 89 (@RJF @nikkysan @AshtrayHeart @Vasilios @aux @cheida @Jwentz @Raichu @No hay banda @dodoriazarbon @eatyourself @HEARTCORE @djmakemewet @discoteca @Lucy Honeychurch @rdp @Future Lover @Remyky22 @AllGagaLike @Suburbia @madgemad @Endothelium @Mirwais Ahmadzaï @Phonetics Boy @dylanaber @Mjg0806 @relby @Jonathan27 @elear @paullypaul @Andy French @fatyoshi @WoW73 @godspeed @torontodj @theelusivechanteuse @1991 @Babylon @Dreampopboy @Fuchsia @NightmareBoy @BreatheBox @BreatheBox @Coochi @muddleddreams @scottdisick94 @letuinmybackdoor @Robsolete @Fortune @MilesAngel @RetroPhysical @Zdarlight @citoig @joeee @Xanax @VeryPSB @TrueBeliever @DinahLee @SloMover @Bleu Noir @Jimmyandroid @JonBcn @Candy Perfume Girl @paperboyfriendd @BTG @Crisp X @Epic Chocolat @Mister_G @Sleepycat @phoenix123 @Pop Life @clowezra @wintersleep @TheChoirgirlHotel @Remorque @Digital Ghost @MrMannacroix @acl @RainOnFire @Ramalama @nametag @Mr Blonde @happiestgirl @Music Is Death @fancygreen @Weslicious @Beautiful Child 2 @tommylander @Touchofmyhand)
    LOWEST SCORE: 4.5 x 1 (@Aester)
    MY SCORE: 10/10

    So close, yet so far. After vaulting seven places from its original position of #18 in the original rate, "Live To Tell" lands in the most agonising position of all. This leaves "Open Your Heart" as the highest rated track from True Blue yet again, and also means that Ray Of Light is the last album standing with more than one track left with a whopping four entries in the Top 10. Any other track apart from those dropping now means that the journey is over for its parent album.

    As some of you may know from being with me on the forum for the last six hundred years, one of my favourite book series is His Dark Materials. I'm gonna skip over loads of context in the interest of trying to keep this write up economical (and also in an attempt to keep its popular currently-in-the-process-of-airing BBC/HBO adaptation unspoiled), but one of the most achingly perfect moments of its delicate, blossoming denouement is the sanctity and nourishment of storytelling. "Tell them stories!" one character exclaims, euphoric. Because that's the key. It's ingrained in how we communicate and endear ourselves to one another. It's how we get to know each other, love each other, hate each other. It is an intrinsic part of the social experience, and it's something that we don't talk about enough. Watching someone go through their life is informative, yes, but sometimes hearing about something from their past will contextualise the present. And there's a trust element involved, isn't there? We all have our stories. Some are easy to reach, well preserved, gleaming, put in the window for passersby. Some are a little further in the back. Some are on the very top shelf, not easily reached. Some are kept in the safe behind the counter. And some are kept where no hand or soul can reach. Untold, and having unknown ramifications. My baby's got a secret.

    In an essay for Harper's Bazaar in 2013, Madonna revealed that her very own origin story hadn't been the plucky made-for-movies tale of rags-to-riches it had always been spun to us as. In the 1970s, shortly after moving to New York City at the age of twenty, Madonna was held at knifepoint, taken up to a rooftop, and raped. It's an incredible piece that I recommend reading in its entirety, where she speaks about being isolated and alienated as a teenager because people were irked by her attitude and ambition. People thought she was insane; the only friend inside her brain. It's a piece that has quietly informed and even rearranged things that I held as absolutes in terms of Madonna. The thing that has always circled my head was the fact that this was something she held inside her for over thirty years. In an interview with Howard Stern a few years later, she explained why she hadn't ever spoke about it or reported it to the police because it was "too humiliating", and every time I think about that, I want to throw a chair across the room. Anyway, what the fuck was my point? Stories. They're precious, and illuminating, and in some ways the most primal thing we have.

    Madonna has always been fairly coy when quizzed on the inspiration behind "Live To Tell", saying that she found inspiration from all over and it's not always necessarily autobiographical, but (and maybe I shouldn't project or assume) it's hard not to think of "Live To Tell" when thinking of the fact that she internalised a massive traumatic event for over thirty years. A secret that burned inside of her. And then I think of people in general, and how much we all hold inside ourselves and repress. When our darkest stories turn into ghost stories and cautionary tales and fables and, at their worst, never-ending stories that we can never reach the fucking acknowledgements page of. And "Live To Tell" finds her reckoning with the last kind. How do you cut something out of yourself when it is fused so deep? How do you let it out? How do you perform a bloodletting when the infection is everywhere?

    ...You don't.

    Sorry, I don't have a better answer. A forum full of queers will know that sometimes, there just isn't a neat resolution to our problems and traumas and troubled pasts. There is sometimes not even a point where you get to face them head on - because even a direct confrontation might help, even if it's unsuccessful - and they spend an eternity on the periphery, blotching everything you see and do. Closure eludes you. And you can't outrun it, because you're not strong enough to get away. There are stories that never get told, and they lie in the coffin with their bearer. So what can you do?

    You wait it out, and... hope that it gives up before you do. That you are somehow more steadfast than your issues. And I think that's what "Live To Tell" is about; holding onto your traumas like they're under your charge, rather than you being under theirs, and they will only be able to go when they want to go. And the best you can do is stand alert, and drop the gate on its ass the moment it's over the threshold. And you hope - you hope - that when it's out there, people will see it for what it is, and what it did, and avoid letting something similar into their lives.

    The End.

    "Live To Tell" was performed on Who's That Girl and Blond Ambition. It wasn't used on tour for fifteen years after that, until the Confessions Tour, where it became one of Madonna's most iconic performances ever. Following an interlude where her dancers perform to the sound of themselves recounting their own struggles, Madonna arrives, adorned in a bejewelled crown of thorns, strung up on her own secrets, which naturally take the form of a glittering crucifix. Also naturally, the Catholics lost their shit, and condemned the performance in Rome as an act of hostility towards the Church. Queen. It was also the soundtrack to At Close Range, a film her then-husband Sean Penn starred in, but I'm not touching that with a barge pole.

    Stories, huh. Looks like we're nearly out of them. Ten more to tell. I'm grateful for all the ones y'all have told over the last six months about how the greatest popstar of all time has touched your life, and honoured that you have shared them in this thread. I can't wait to hear the rest as we approach our own denouement.

    Onwards, to our Top 10.







     
  7. RJF

    RJF

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    I think it's time to finally give this odyssey its end date.

    Barring a catastrophe, a visit to the pub, or a catastrophic visit to the pub, the Madonna Discography Rate will conclude on Thursday 8th October, just shy of six months since the thread was initially opened. This schedule currently has me eliminating one track a day until #3. On Wednesday 7th, we'll have a final break, and on the 8th, we'll return for our finale, where one of the songs below will be crowned your winner.

    Almost there.

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    11. Live To Tell - 9.406
    12. Papa Don't Preach - 9.367
    13. Don't Tell Me - 9.358
    14. Erotica - 9.345
    15. Get Together - 9.339
    16. La Isla Bonita - 9.233
    17. Rain - 9.227
    18. Nothing Fails - 9.215
    19. Nothing Really Matters - 9.209
    20. Secret - 9.161
    21. Express Yourself - 9.155
    22. Human Nature - 9.139
    23. Justify My Love - 9.118
    24. God Control - 9.064
    25. Music - 8.991
    26. Sky Fits Heaven - 8.936
    27. Sorry - 8.894
    28. Oh Father - 8.842
    29. Die Another Day - 8.803
    30. Bedtime Story - 8.788
    30. Skin - 8.788
    32. Till Death Do Us Part - 8.782
    33. Borderline - 8.761
    34. Beautiful Stranger - 8.703
    35. Jump - 8.697
    36. What It Feels Like For A Girl - 8.691
    37. Holiday - 8.618
    38. American Life - 8.591
    39. Dress You Up - 8.588
    40. X-Static Process - 8.558
    41. Easy Ride - 8.533
    42. Intervention - 8.521
    43. Burning Up - 8.518
    43. Hollywood - 8.518
    45. Crazy For You - 8.5
    46. Rescue Me - 8.467
    47. Impressive Instant - 8.464
    48. Take A Bow - 8.461
    49. Future Lovers - 8.452
    50. Bad Girl - 8.439
    51. Cherish - 8.424
    52. Like A Virgin - 8.389
    53. Ghosttown - 8.379
    53. Medellín (Feat. Maluma) - 8.379
    55. Paradise (Not For Me) - 8.358
    56. Lucky Star - 8.355
    56. Forbidden Love - 8.355
    58. Swim - 8.336
    59. Thief Of Hearts - 8.276
    60. Crave (Feat. Swae Lee) - 8.252
    61. To Have And Not To Hold - 8.248
    61. Isaac - 8.248
    63. Miles Away - 8.239
    64. Gone - 8.23
    65. Love Profusion - 8.221
    66. Give It 2 Me - 8.185
    67. Material Girl - 8.167
    68. Mer Girl - 8.148
    69. Devil Pray - 8.085
    70. Waiting - 8.048
    71. Sanctuary - 8.033
    72. I Don't Search I Find - 8.012
    73. True Blue - 7.994
    74. I Deserve It - 7.988
    75. Nobody Knows Me - 7.985
    76. Living For Love - 7.976
    77. You'll See - 7.973
    78. Devil Wouldn't Recognize You - 7.952
    79. Promise To Try - 7.945
    80. Rebel Heart - 7.942
    81. Words - 7.93
    82. Bitch I'm Madonna (Feat. Nicki Minaj) - 7.912
    83. I Want You (With Massive Attack) - 7.906
    84. Mother And Father - 7.903
    85. Let It Will Be - 7.894
    86. Spanish Eyes - 7.888
    87. Who's That Girl - 7.86
    88. I'll Remember - 7.833
    89. Time Stood Still - 7.785
    90. Celebration - 7.748
    91. Has To Be - 7.727
    92. Causing A Commotion - 7.715
    93. Joan Of Arc - 7.685
    94. Keep It Together - 7.661
    95. Inside Of Me - 7.636
    96. Angel - 7.63
    96. Like It Or Not - 7.63
    98. Survival - 7.597
    99. Amazing - 7.579
    100. White Heat - 7.567
    101. Secret Garden - 7.555
    102. In This Life - 7.542
    103. Love Spent - 7.521
    104. Bye Bye Baby - 7.515
    105. Runaway Lover - 7.512
    106. Where Life Begins - 7.494
    107. How High - 7.47
    108. Fever - 7.464
    109. Love Tried To Welcome Me - 7.455
    110. Candy Perfume Girl - 7.452
    111. Forbidden Love (1994) - 7.427
    111. Faz Gostoso (Feat. Anitta) - 7.427
    113. Little Star - 7.421
    113. Come Alive - 7.421
    115. Everybody - 7.406
    116. Dark Ballet - 7.394
    117. Don't Cry For Me Argentina - 7.382
    118. I Rise - 7.367
    119. 4 Minutes (Feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland) - 7.345
    120. She's Not Me - 7.315
    121. Physical Attraction - 7.309
    121. Why's It So Hard - 7.309
    121. This Used To Be My Playground - 7.309
    124. Dear Jessie - 7.3
    125. Heartbeat - 7.285
    126. Inside Out - 7.239
    127. Where's The Party - 7.188
    128. Falling Free - 7.179
    129. Crazy - 7.173
    130. Nobody's Perfect - 7.139
    131. I'm So Stupid - 7.127
    132. Push - 7.112
    132. I'm Addicted - 7.112
    134. Masterpiece - 7.091
    135. American Pie - 7.085
    136. Body Shop - 7.061
    137. Unapologetic Bitch - 7.058
    137. Extreme Occident - 7.058
    139. Looking For Mercy - 7.042
    140. You Must Love Me - 7.024
    141. Goodbye To Innocence - 7.009
    142. Gang Bang - 6.939
    143. Holy Water - 6.915
    144. Gambler - 6.912
    145. Think Of Me - 6.906
    146. Beat Goes On (Feat. Kanye West) - 6.894
    147. Beautiful Killer - 6.884
    148. Hold Tight - 6.873
    149. The Look Of Love - 6.824
    150. Future (Feat. Quavo) - 6.8
    151. Batuka - 6.791
    152. Voices - 6.785
    153. Best Night - 6.755
    154. Veni Vidi Vici (Feat. Nas) - 6.752
    154. Broken (I'm Sorry) - 6.752
    156. Shanti / Ashtangi - 6.73
    157. Addicted - 6.712
    158. Iconic (Feat. Chance The Rapper & Mike Tyson) - 6.702
    158. Ciao Bella - 6.702
    160. Spotlight - 6.694
    161. I Love New York - 6.652
    162. Messiah - 6.639
    163. Love Song - 6.621
    163. I'd Rather Be Your Lover - 6.621
    165. Supernatural - 6.615
    166. Candy Shop - 6.588
    167. Wash All Over Me - 6.561
    168. HeartBreakCity - 6.558
    169. Bitch I'm Loca (Feat. Maluma) - 6.548
    170. Your Honesty - 6.524
    171. Beautiful Scars - 6.461
    172. Something To Remember - 6.458
    173. Love Don't Live Here Anymore - 6.448
    174. Over And Over - 6.433
    175. Another Suitcase In Another Hall - 6.409
    176. Stay - 6.367
    177. Don't Stop - 6.339
    178. Girl Gone Wild - 6.324
    179. I Know It - 6.267
    180. Act Of Contrition - 6.245
    181. Fighting Spirit - 6.227
    182. I Don't Give A (Feat. Nicki Minaj) - 6.203
    183. It's So Cool - 6.191
    184. Illuminati - 6.167
    185. Funana - 6.161
    186. Dance 2Night - 6.152
    187. Borrowed Time - 6.118
    187. History - 6.118
    189. Sooner Or Later - 6.109
    189. One More Chance - 6.109
    191. Back That Up To The Beat - 6.076
    192. Let Down Your Guard - 6.036
    193. Killers Who Are Partying - 6.015
    194. I'm A Sinner - 6.012
    195. I Fucked Up - 5.964
    196 - Some Girls - 5.933
    197. He's A Man - 5.924
    198. Give Me All Your Luvin' (Feat. Nicki Minaj & M.I.A.) - 5.921
    199. Buenos Aires - 5.894
    200. Super Pop - 5.848
    201. Revolver (Feat. Lil Wayne) - 5.827
    202. Can't Stop - 5.776
    203. Ain't No Big Deal - 5.736
    204. Turn Up The Radio - 5.727
    205. Best Friend - 5.721
    206. Graffiti Heart - 5.697
    207. Hanky Panky - 5.691
    208. Love Makes The World Go Round - 5.679
    209. Back In Business - 5.67
    210. Pretender - 5.661
    211. Lament - 5.615
    212. Cyber-Raga - 5.603
    213. Incredible - 5.545
    214. Jimmy Jimmy - 5.521
    215. Now I'm Following You - 5.497
    216. Ring My Bell - 5.424
    217. S.E.X. - 5.373
    218. Spanish Lesson - 4.997
    219. Shoo-Bee-Doo - 4.948
    220. More - 4.852
    221. What Can You Lose - 4.436
    222. Superstar - 4.391
    223. Auto-Tune Baby - 4.121
    224. Cry Baby - 3.367
    225. I'm Going Bananas - 3.327
    226. B-Day Song (Feat. M.I.A.) - 3.000
    227. Hey You - 2.976
     
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  8. Fuuuuck. Fuck.
     
  9. In a continued effort to appear calm and collected...

    "LIVE TO TELL" NOT IN THE TOP TEN?!!??!?

    FUCK EVERYONE.
     
  10. Live to Tell not being in the top ten is a bit fucked up but I digress, imagine having a discography as extensive as hers and still having four singles from the same album in the top ten.

    WHO ELSE CAN DO IT LIKE HER?
     
  11. I'm thrilled to find out the impact Live To Tell has had on everyone of you, but let me just say it has one of the best intros of all time... period! Those opening chords send chills into my spine, every single time. For that aspect alone, I'm sad it didn't manage to improve on its 2015 position to the point of getting into the top 10. Ah well.

    Okay, time to read the write-ups and mourn this mammoth of a song!
     
  12. 2014

    2014 Staff Member

    WHEW at Ray Of Light's dominance! We love to see it!

    Also the Deeper And Deeper artwork is such a scream every time, there's no one else like her.
     
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  13. I'm perfectly fine with "Live to Tell" missing out on the top 10. It's not like it's a surprising elimination, either.

    That middle-8 is undeniably majestic.
     
  14. The Confessions performance of Live To Tell..... goosebumps.
     
  15. Deeper And Deeper in the top 10? Erotica rights!
     
  16. It's been a while since I quoted this:
     
  17. This (whole thread) is sooooo beautiful. It's been an experience.

    I love Ray Of Light to death but it having almost half top10 feels so... odd. Live To Tell (or even Papa Don't Preach) should have been there. Deeper & Deeper being there is good tho.

    Live To Tell was the first "single" I've got on vinyl last year or so. It's a bit worn out but truly feels like holding a piece of History with a fucking scratch. Knowing that it lasted so long and now it's in my hands. To think that Music really is... endless and, just like folklore, will be going on... forever.

    Live To Tell, indeed.
     
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  18. I hope she sees this thread and knows what songs to include in the next tour.

    Imagine her performing this top ten in the same concert.
     
  19. RJF

    RJF

    I don't know if it makes things worse or better, but it was only in the very last stretch of voting that "Live To Tell" was knocked out of the Top 10. I was collating the leaderboard at every ten voters, and it was at #10 with 150 voters, but by 160...
     
  20. The part where the song drops out, only to come back with the "If I ran away..." verse is honestly one of the most affecting moments in pop music.
     
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