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Mandy Moore Discography Rate - #77 : In which we lose a song from 2009.

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by pop3blow2, Mar 18, 2019.

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What's your favorite Mandy Moore album

  1. So Real

    4 vote(s)
    10.3%
  2. I Wanne Be With You

    1 vote(s)
    2.6%
  3. Mandy Moore

    15 vote(s)
    38.5%
  4. Coverage

    6 vote(s)
    15.4%
  5. Wild Hope

    10 vote(s)
    25.6%
  6. Amanda Leigh

    3 vote(s)
    7.7%
  7. Other (soundtrack, etc.)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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    "Don’t tell me how I had a vision
    That this day would come to be
    Call it luck, call it intuition
    Here I am (here we are), isn’t that enough
    For a little bit of reality
    Fate is good, fate can be real
    If you believe it’s what you feel"

    Prologue To A Fated Fandom

    “Ugh. I despise Mandy Moore. A plague onto her
    & her fans!”

    That was my first reaction to ‘Candy’ in the summer of 1999. Come on now, as pop fans we’ve all been there. We've all had visceral reactions to both things we love & hate. Mandy, unfortunately, ended up on the wrong side of that range at the start.

    I mean, this was 1999. The year of Britney (Gold), Christina (Silver), & Jessica (Bronze?). I was ‘Team Britney’, hard… so in my unfair worldview, even Christina & Jessica sorta felt like also-rans to Britney in the female pop movement of ’99. I did like Christina, though (and tolerated Jessica, I guess) but they were most definitely not Britney level in my book. For better or worse, sometimes I pick favorites & am fiercely loyal to whom I deemed the 'worthy one'.

    By the time the buzz started around Mandy Moore, she seemed like the most desperate of all the Britney copies. A cheap sales pitch by Epic to cash in on the ‘teen pop craze’. To me, there was no room for this little tween hanger-onner (is this a word? who knows?) in my pop sphere. I found her intolerably try-hard in an industry where I tend to even find the most manufactured pop endearing. I mean, she basically had merchandise in Toys R Us the same week she had a single. Dolls! There were Mandy Moore barbie dolls for a singer who had no top 40 hit. Madness! ( I mean, who did she think she was? )

    Oh, but she did have a first single…and what a single it was. It arrived in all of its glossy glory in the summer of 1999 with the full force of the pop hype machine behind it. Some loved it. For me, it landed with a gigantic ‘thud!’.

    To say I did not like Candy was an understatement. Despite the pretty intro, it deterotiated quickly into a sugary tooth decay of a song that did not work for me. From the awkwardly innocent , but weirdly loaded lyrics… to the super try hard video that seemed like a bad juice box commercial. It was all a cringe fest, to me. Everything that was successful about ‘Baby One More Time’ or ‘Genie In A Bottle’ was trying to be copied, but none of it was connecting with me. Had there been a Popjustice Forum at the time, I would’ve been there for the draggings & maybe leading them!

    As you can tell, I had that petty & visceral pop-rage we’ve all experienced as pop fans from time-to-time. This girl had incurred my pop-wrath & I wasn’t here for her. Thank you, next.

    The thing is, despite not even becoming a top 40 hit, Candy was everywhere. In some ways, Mandy Moore helped pioneer the the omni-present, semi-flop, buzz single concept. Her legion of fans got her video on MTV’s TRL for months & she started to become a name pop star despite 'proper chart' success. (In many ways, her type of success perfected a lot of pop fandom we still have in place today.) I found this oddly fascinating & also a tad infuriating.

    With me, though, she was in the pop fandom hole and it can be hard for most to get out of that once they are there. Turned out, she’s is not just anybody, though. She’s Mandy Moore… and things started to happen in quick succession that changed my mind about her.

    "I keep hangin around
    Got some attachment to you..."

    The seeds of a future rate host are planted

    The first thing that changed my mind was the release of the song ‘I Wanna Be With You’ in early 2000. Quite simply: I. Was. Floored. It showed a maturity beyond her peers & the song was just beautiful. Her vocal was stunning & the song gave me pop chills….as much I wanted to deny it. I loved the song & video. I saw her perform an acoustic version during MTV's Beach House in summer 2000 & I was wowed with her live voice. She was also interviewed & I found her completely charming. Noooo!!!! I was being bewitched by this little pop sorceress! Surely it was temporary & I would snap from this enchantment. I wasn’t yet a fan, but I backpeddled on my earlier thoughts & removed the plague I had wished upon her & her legion.

    That same year, she got show on MTV called the ‘The Mandy Show’ where she just chatted with teens about the issues of the day. (Her marketing team has to be commended for the hustle they put into her. I mean, they really wanted her to happen.) Anyways, I caught some episodes & continued to be completely charmed by her. There was something different about her. At this point, I had to admit that I was becoming a fan. I had the bought the ‘I Wanna Be With You’ single & wound up buying the album (basically a repackaged version of her debut). Deservedly, 'I Wanna Be With You' became a real hit & I started rooting for her. She was no Britney, but she had become my second fave of the ‘The Big Pop Girls’ at the time. (I mean, maybe she wasn’t really a BPG, but you get the drift.)

    She would leapfrog Britney in my fandom in 2001. The double whammy of the self-titled album Mandy Moore & her role in the Princess Diaries, moved her into the forefront of the mainstream pop girls from the era for me (though Nelly Furtado was really my fave of the time, she was sorta on the wonky fringes of the industry, & actively being marketed as the anti-big pop girl.) Mandy Moore, the album, exuded a confidence that outshone her peers & I thought it was amazing. Much like her label, I was disappointed it didn’t sell was well as it should’ve.

    2002 saw Mandy finally really become a full-fledged star, & I was perched. A Walk To Remember was a bonafide hit & the soundtrack sold very well, arguably becoming her most successful musical project up to that point. What a time...

    "I try but I can’t seem to get myself to think of anything but you"

    Last night an album of random covers saved my life

    It was 2003, where I hit peak stan for Mandy. The one-two punch of the movie How To Deal & the album Coverage sent me into transcendent pop tailspin, very few pop stars have sent me into. It’s fair to note, I was struggling with some pretty dark stuff around this time in my personal life & my Mandy fandom was one of the few happy things that kept me going. And kept me going, she did. I’ll be blunt, my desert Island album is Coverage. It has been since 2004 & if Carly Rae’s Emotion can’t surpass it, perhaps nothing probably ever will.

    Coverage failed though, spectacularly, & Mandy was unceremoniously dropped from Epic. Well.

    For me, though, she had done the unthinkable. She had gone from my least favorite thing in pop to my absolute favorite. Since then she been a mainstay in my pop obsessions, even due to her relevant lack of of consistent output.

    While, she went on to concentrate mainly on movies & tv the next couple of years, she finally gave us the amazing Wild Hope in 2007 & it was worth the wait. It was also this year, I finally got to see her live & that was a special moment.

    She gave us another great album in 2009 (Amanda Leigh) & has since mainly gone back to film & television, where she does the occasional singing or soundtrack work.

    Recent news about the abuse she endured in her marriage to Ryan Adams has shed new light on why she stopped releasing music… but she appears to revving up to start agin. Good for her & good for us.

    I think it’s safe to say, that if you’re wanting to take part in this rate, you're a pretty big fan & you’d love some new music from her ASAP (as it’s been over 9 years.) But, at least we have an amazingly solid & diverse discography to draw upon for rate purposes. Since we are twenty years into her career & it seems as if she might be starting a new era soon, this seems like the perfect point to rate her existing discog.

    "And now I'm ready to be extraordinary..."

    The Rate, The Rules, & The Rest

    I have settled on 84 songs to rate. Why 84? Well, I’m a sucker for numerology & Mandy was born in 1984. Some of the extras included might seem a bit fringe, but I have included them for three reasons.
    • One is that since this the first time she’s ever had a rate I wanted it to be very comprehensive.
    • Two is that I feel like some of the extras, while ‘fringe’ do sometimes show off a part of her talent that deserves showcased.
    • Thirdly, is that I just really wanted to include a few for pure greedy satisfaction!

    I’ve built a Spotify Playlist with over 60 of the songs. I’ve also linked them all to YouTube below.

    This rate is probably a bit ambitious for my first one, but I really want this thread to celebrate & serve as a mini-retrospective of her first 20 years in our pop lives. So, I plan some little mini essays & other diversions along the way. If you’re interested in writing a mini-essay about something Mandy related (that you feel would work better outside of your regular song commentary) let me know! I’d love contributions.

    One last thing.

    Since Mandy is perhaps known as well (or to some even more) for her movies & acting (and because I’m sure many raters have their fave Mandy movies, etc) I’m including the option to also submit a ballot your top 10 Mandy acting moments.

    This can include movie roles, tv show roles, voice work, etc. You don’t have to submit 10 if you don’t want. If she only has three you really liked etc… that’s fine.

    Your #1 gets 10 points, #2 get 9 points, and so forth. I’ll assemble those ballots into a little mini chart, so we can see what her most popular acting roles are.

    A complete list of her roles is here>

    You have 5 weeks to get me your scores, commentary, (& your optional top 10 Mandy movie/tv roles.) That’s April 22nd, people!
    *edit: Extension granted! APRIL 29th is when ballots are due!


    To send me you scores, simply drop me a Private Message. There's a PM friendly songlist below. (Remember to add up to 10 fave Mandy acting roles, too... if you want.)

    As far as your song scores, I don’t like Zeros for scores, so please rate all the songs 1-10, with one 11 for your absolute fave Mandy song. Decimals are allowed in the rate (.1, .2, etc for scores between 1-10). Send as much commentary as you want with your scores.

    Whew, that’s a lot! So excited to go on this rate journey with you all. Let’s do Mandy proud!

    Mandy Moore Discography Rate Song List (titles link to YouTube)

    So Real

    1. So Real
    2. Candy
    3. What You Want
    4. Walk Me Home
    5. Lock Me In Your Heart
    6. Quit Breaking My Heart/Reprise
    7. Let Me Be The One
    8. Not Too Young
    9. Love Shot
    10. I Like It
    11. Love You For Always


    I Wanna Be With You (The PJ Edit)

    1. I Wanna Be With You
    2. Everything My Heart Desires
    3. Want You Back
    4. The Way To My Heart
    5. Your Face


    Mandy Moore

    1. In My Pocket
    2. You Remind Me
    3. Saturate Me
    4. One Sided Love
    5. 17
    6. Cry
    7. Crush
    8. It Only Took A Minute
    9. Turn The Clock Around
    10. Yo-Yo
    11. From Loving You
    12. Split Chick
    13. When I Talk To You


    Coverage

    1. Senses Working Overtime
    2. The Whole Of The Moon
    3. Can We Still Be Friends
    4. I Feel The Earth Move
    5. Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters
    6. Drop The Pilot
    7. Moonshadow
    8. One Way or Another
    9. Breaking Us in Two
    10. Anticipation
    11. Help Me
    12. Have a Little Faith In Me


    Wild Hope

    1. Extraordinary
    2. All Good Things
    3. Slummin’ In Paradise
    4. Most Of Me
    5. Few Days Down
    6. Can’t You Just Adore Her
    7. Looking Forward To Looking Back
    8. Wild Hope
    9. Nothing That You Are
    10. Latest Mistake
    11. Ladies Choice
    12. Gardenia


    Amanda Leigh

    1. Merrimack River
    2. Fern Dell
    3. I Could Break Your Heart Any Day Of The Week:
    4. Pocket Philosopher
    5. Song About Home
    6. Everblue
    7. Love To Love Me Back
    8. Indian Summer
    9. Nothing Everything
    10. Bug


    Soundtracks

    1. Stupid Cupid
    2. On The Line
    3. Only Hope
    4. Someday We’ll Know
    5. It’s Gonna Be Love
    6. Top Of The World
    7. God Only Knows
    8. Singing To The Song Of Life
    9. Secret Love
    10. When Will My Life Begin
    11. I See The Light
    12. Healing Incantation
    13. Wind In My Hair
    14. Amazing Lucky Scarf
    15. Willin’
    16. Invisible Ink


    Album Extras/Misc:

    1. Feel Me
    2. Hey
    3. Swept Away
    4. Could’ve Been Watching You
    5. Umbrella



    PM Friendly List *(updated 3/19)
    So Real

    1. So Real
    2. Candy
    3. What You Want
    4. Walk Me Home
    5. Lock Me In Your Heart
    6. Quit Breaking My Heart/Reprise
    7. Let Me Be The One
    8. Not Too Young
    9. Love Shot
    10. I Like It
    11. Love You For Always


    I Wanna Be With You (The PJ Edit)

    12. I Wanna Be With You
    13. Everything My Heart Desires
    14. Want You Back
    15. The Way To My Heart
    16. Your Face


    Mandy Moore

    17. In My Pocket
    18. You Remind Me
    19. Saturate Me
    20. One Sided Love
    21. 17
    22. Cry
    23. Crush
    24. It Only Took A Minute
    25. Turn The Clock Around
    26. Yo-Yo
    27. From Loving You
    28. Split Chick
    29. When I Talk To You


    Coverage

    30. Senses Working Overtime
    31. The Whole Of The Moon
    32. Can We Still Be Friends
    33. I Feel The Earth Move
    34. Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters
    35. Drop The Pilot
    36. Moonshadow
    37. One Way or Another
    38. Breaking Us In Two
    39. Anticipation
    40. Help Me
    41. Have a Little Faith In Me


    Wild Hope

    42. Extraordinary
    43. All Good Things
    44. Slummin’ In Paradise
    45. Most Of Me
    46. Few Days Down
    47. Can’t You Just Adore Her
    48. Looking Forward To Looking Back
    49. Wild Hope
    50. Nothing That You Are
    51. Latest Mistake
    52. Ladies Choice
    53. Gardenia


    Amanda Leigh

    54. Merrimack River
    55. Fern Dell
    56. I Could Break Your Heart Any Day Of The Week
    57. Pocket Philosopher
    58. Song About Home
    59. Everblue
    60. Love To Love Me Back
    61. Indian Summer
    62. Nothing Everything
    63. Bug


    Soundtracks

    64. Stupid Cupid
    65. On The Line
    66. Only Hope
    67. Someday We’ll Know
    68. It’s Gonna Be Love
    69. Top Of The World
    70. God Only Knows
    71. Singing To The Song Of Life
    72. Secret Love
    73. When Will My Life Begin
    74. I See The Light
    75. Healing Incantation
    76. Wind In My Hair
    77. Amazing Lucky Scarf
    78. Willin’
    79. Invisible Ink


    Album Extras/Misc:

    80.Feel Me
    81. Hey
    82. Swept Away
    83. Could’ve Been Watching You
    84. Umbrella

    Don't forget to add up to 10 of your favorite Mandy movies/acting roles. (#1 being your fave & so on). I'll create a mini-chart of those so we can see what are her faves among PJ. You don't have to fill all 10 spots, if there's not that many you care about.(I mean maybe you just love TANGLED & want to vote for that... *hint, hint*). A complete list of all her acting credits s here, to remind you: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601553/

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    Last edited: Apr 15, 2019
  2. Pleased to announce 18 people submitted ballots for Queen Mandy!

    Here they are:

    @VivaForever
    @Sprockrooster
    @LKane
    @tylerc904
    @Zar-Unity
    @Robert
    @Robsolete
    @ladylloyd
    @chris4862
    @vague
    @Florencia.
    @ohnostalgia
    @Music Is Life
    @unnameable
    @RUNAWAY
    @Remorque
    @CasuallyCrazed
    @pop3blow2






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  3. Results, Rate Stats & more!

    • 84 Songs Total Were Included In This Discography Rate
    • I have divided them into 6 categories for more granular ranking details among her albums, etc
    • Each song will be highlighted & linked to its respective post once eliminated.
    • I'll also add where it ranked within its category & overall

    Running Elimination Scoreboard: 8 of 84 Songs eliminated

    So Real/I Wanna Be With You (14 of 16 songs still alive)

    So Real
    Candy
    What You Want
    Walk Me Home
    Lock Me In Your Heart
    Quit Breaking My Heart/Reprise (15th of 16 | 78th of 84 overall)
    Let Me Be The One
    Not Too Young
    Love Shot
    I Like It
    Love You For Always
    I Wanna Be With You
    Everything My Heart Desires
    Want You Back
    The Way To My Heart
    Your Face (16th of 16 | 79th of 84 overall)


    Mandy Moore (13 of 13 songs still alive)

    In My Pocket
    You Remind Me
    Saturate Me
    One Sided Love
    17
    Cry
    Crush
    It Only Took A Minute
    Turn The Clock Around
    Yo-Yo
    From Loving You
    Split Chick
    When I Talk To You


    Coverage (12 of 12 songs still alive)

    Senses Working Overtime
    The Whole Of The Moon
    Can We Still Be Friends
    I Feel The Earth Move
    Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters
    Drop The Pilot
    Moonshadow
    One Way or Another
    Breaking Us in Two
    Anticipation
    Help Me
    Have a Little Faith In Me


    Wild Hope (12 of 12 songs still alive)

    Extraordinary
    All Good Things
    Slummin’ In Paradise
    Most Of Me
    Few Days Down
    Can’t You Just Adore Her
    Looking Forward To Looking Back
    Wild Hope
    Nothing That You Are
    Latest Mistake
    Ladies Choice
    Gardenia


    Amanda Leigh (9 of 10 songs still alive)

    Merrimack River
    Fern Dell
    I Could Break Your Heart Any Day Of The Week:
    Pocket Philosopher
    Song About Home (10th of 10 | 77th of 84 overall)
    Everblue
    Love To Love Me Back
    Indian Summer
    Nothing Everything
    Bug


    Soundtracks & Extras (16 of 21 songs still alive)

    Stupid Cupid (18th of 21 | 81st of 84 overall)
    On The Line (17th of 21 | 80th of 84 overall)
    Only Hope
    Someday We’ll Know
    It’s Gonna Be Love
    Top Of The World
    God Only Knows
    Singing To The Song Of Life (19th of 21 | 82nd of 84 overall)
    Secret Love
    When Will My Life Begin
    I See The Light
    Healing Incantation ( 20th of 21 | 83rd of 84 overall)
    Wind In My Hair
    Amazing Lucky Scarf ( 21st of 21 | 84th of 84 overall)
    Willin’
    Invisible Ink
    Feel Me
    Hey
    Swept Away
    Could’ve Been Watching You
    Umbrella



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    Last edited: May 17, 2019 at 7:14 PM
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  4. Last edited: Apr 25, 2019
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  5. Still making a couple of tweaks, but Welcome to the Mandy Moore Discography rate! Ahhh!!!!

    I realized my text editor formatted my song list wrong, so I actually only had 81 Mandy songs. My brain couldn't handle that, since I had built-up the idea of including 84 songs. (since she was born in 1984). So, I added few super odd, short song extras for my own sanity. I don't expect they will last long, but I had my heart set on 84 songs, so there. Ha!

    I'm still double checking to make sure all the YouTube links work as they should in the song list, but it's pretty much final now. I'll start tagging people in the next couple of days.

    This is my first rate, so bear with me. I'd love for there to be at least 20 voters, so if you know any Mandy fans on the Popjustice forum, please let me them know about this.

    EDIT:
    Everything is good to go now with the song list. Got the song list back to the original 84 songs & all the links to YouTube appear correct. Woohoo! (VivaForever helped me find my missing songs.)

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    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
  6. Wow! Great first posts @pop3blow2 !!

    I hadn't realised how extensive Mandy's discography really was! I only know the first album in full, and bits and pieces from the rest so I don't think I'll make it but I look forward to watching this thread - your love for her is inspiring! <3
     
  7. Thanks so much! If you decide to dive in & rate her discog, I'd love to have you. There's a six week voting window. Regardless, glad you'll be following along... should be fun & interesting.
     
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  8. I an here to perform a mission impossible. How to choose an 11?!?!
     
  9. I’ve been a massive Mandy fan since day dot, and even had a fan site back in the day, so I’m really looking forward to this rate. It seems like a lot of effort has been put into it too! I hope we get a good amount of voters. I also hope some of the songs that were done dirty in the Mandy/Jessica/Britney/Christina first album rate get better scores this time.
     
  10. @iheartpoptarts -- are you voting is this one?

    Here to say my 11 is set in stone as Candy, but to be fair I don't know any of her later material so ready to discover gems.
     
  11. I'll be honest, even after my initial rejection of Mandy (when I started to become a convert with 'I Wanna Be With You' in 2000) I've still always struggled with a great deal of So Real. Most of it is not her fault. I just find some of the songs kinda generic & not completely suited to her voice. They were of the time, though... so they make sense in context & do have a vibe that really helps encapsulate late 90's millennial-pop.

    The fascinating thing to me, is that while even at barely 15 when recorded her debut, she already had a very strong & clear recording voice. In fact, while re-listening for the rate, I was reminded by how great her voice was so young. You completely understand why she was signed to a label at that time. Unfortunately, in my opinion the beauty & clearness of her voice gets lost in many songs on So Real. There was too much of her being directed to add all kinds of trendy vocal stylizations & phrasings to the proceedings.

    All that being said, through the lens of nostalgia & her entire career arc, I find So Real kind of endearing now. It will likely receive some of my lowest scores in the rate, personally, but I understand why its beloved by many. (I'm not tanking it by any means, ha!)

    For me, though, the I Wanna Be With You album was a better use of her talent & indicator of her future greatness. For a long time, it was her debut album in my head canon.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019
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  12. We stan a ballad hit written by (and featuring background vocals by) Christian rock sensation Plumb. When will Jennifer Paige?!
     
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  13. I don't belong here with all the post-bubblegum - trust me, it's for the best!
     
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  14. Only Hope better be Top 5.
     
  15. I'm so excited to see how this all goes. Her musical career is all over the place & I think people's faves might be too. I think this will be an interesting rate!
     
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  16. Haha! You know I'd love to have you, but I understand. Hope you'll still follow along.

    Due note: If you have some favorite Mandy Movie/TV roles, you can still submit a ballot of your (up to) top 10 if you want. I plan to make a mini-chart of Popjustice's fave Mandy acting roles if there's enough interest.

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  17. @pop3blow2 - You may want to scour this rate and tag anyone who was involved with it for potential voters since Mandy's first era was rated.

    Host tip - always look for past rates and discussion threads for potential voters right off the bat and keep track of who said they were interested as a list on the first page so you can re-tag people along the way with reminders. *wink*
     
  18. Thanks!

    I made a post in the Mandy thread in Comeback Corner, too. I'll probably start tagging some possible voters soon.

    The limit is 5 names per post, right?
     
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  19. Yes, just five per post. Otherwise the 6th person doesn't get the notification.
     
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  20. I am so doing this! Its been a while since i participated in a rate, but i ADORE Mandy and I can't wait to dive back into her catalogue for this!
     
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