Music Industry

DiscoBlue said:
Music videos are not something that should be paid for by the public or a vehicle for royalties - they are simply a medium to promote a song, like hearing it on the radio. iTunes exists for selling music videos - you don't try to charge YouTube, which is already running a massive budget deficit - to show videos.

But radio stations also pay royalties - so why shouldn't YouTube? As I understand it, YouTube is just not making a profit because Google paid a ridiculous amount of money for it. They are still generating income from advertising. They are a business, not a non-profit organisation that exists only to give promotion for artists.
 
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It's the music that they're pissed off about. With the paste of a link and the click of a button, you can get the song. From a free programme. Videos have nothing to do with it.
 
Numerology said:
mystical said:
DiscoBlue said:
AndThenWeKiss said:
We all know this, it's been discussed to death.

Please please PLEASE, I'm tired of these sort of responses!

Well then learn to use the search function.

Honestly, sometimes there's just no need to be so rude!

But seriously, all these new posters just coming in and not bothering to search. It's annoying. We discussed this in a 5 page thread.
 
Comments that a subject has been "discussed to death" on a forum that dedicates hundreds-long page threads about the same batch of artists is a bit unfair. I feel sorry for DiscoBlue (who has 50+ posts, if you look). They don't deserve the rudeness.

Anyway, as you were all saying on page 978 about a single that's not even out yet....

EG.
 
Honestly, the "newness" of a poster makes no difference, and besides not all of the point's he's raising have been covered.
 
Numerology said:
Honestly, the "newness" of a poster makes no difference, and besides not all of the point's he's raising have been covered.

But the truth is, and I'm more than welcoming to all newbies, there is such thing as a search function.
 
Numerology said:
mystical said:
DiscoBlue said:
AndThenWeKiss said:
We all know this, it's been discussed to death.

Please please PLEASE, I'm tired of these sort of responses!

Well then learn to use the search function.

Honestly, sometimes there's just no need to be so rude!

It was not rude it was informative. Its one thing if a thread has been dead for ages but we discussed this like two days ago.
 
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DiscoBlue said:
Let's see....


I'm sure you all know about this latest fiasco involving UK-based YouTube.

The industry is dying, record sales are drying up like the Iraqi marshes, so you cut off your nose to spite your face.

Music videos are not something that should be paid for by the public or a vehicle for royalties - they are simply a medium to promote a song, like hearing it on the radio. iTunes exists for selling music videos - you don't try to charge YouTube, which is already running a massive budget deficit - to show videos. Nobody is losing money when a fan or a casual listener watches a clip online - in fact, that is a potential SALE as if the song is liked enough, the watcher will gladly pay 99 cents for the song or two dollars for the video in HI-Q.

And of course this OTHER YouTube fiasco last year with Warner Music Group - FUCK YOU WARNER MUSIC GROUP - pulling ALL their roster's videos off. Including Madonna - and since she is barely played on American radio, she just lost a massive source of publicity. Not to mention '4 Minutes' was one of the highest viewed clips on YouTube, ever.

WMG, you've just lost MILLIONS by squabbling over a few thousand. Now all your artists have lost free publicity, angered the fanbases, and lost MILLIONS by preventing a form of publicity that could translate in a very real way into major sales.

Now how can fans hear the songs by their fave artists or artists they may like - and how can the wonderful creative videos be seen? That includes Madge, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Linkin Park among others.

Video fiascos aside - let's talk about the mess that is modern Top 40 radio. Sales dwindle, dwindle - but corporate controlled radio tightens its death grip over playlists - spinning the same tired songs by the same tired acts again and again and again -

don't they realize more artists on the radio = more fans of new artists = more sales = millions more dollars in profit?

And the new acts that DO come along - really have no potential to last or generate large scale income - Katy Perry and Lady Gaga are NOT going to be buoying their labels 5 or 10 years down the road.

Corporate radio refuses to expand playlists. Big labels disallow their videos from being seen publicly. MTV is a joke.

The stupidity and greed have cost the labels untold millions more than their money grubbing "revenue stream innovations" EVER could have.

well i've never seen this post but i agree with you
 
Eric Generic said:
Comments that a subject has been "discussed to death" on a forum that dedicates hundreds-long page threads about the same batch of artists is a bit unfair. I feel sorry for DiscoBlue (who has 50+ posts, if you look). They don't deserve the rudeness.

Anyway, as you were all saying on page 978 about a single that's not even out yet....

EG.

Thank you my love...

what I'm discussing I feel is very valid and doesn't run itself into irrelevance...and sometimes fresh threads feel good :)

like fresh clean laundry =)
 
Oh em gee I totally forgot one major point! Thanks to someone else for reminding me...

What is the DEAL with the nationalization of iTunes??? That is costing labels potential millions as well..


iTunes should be BORDERLESS. If I live in the USA, and I can't find the Saturdays, and I don't want to pay extra for an import...I'm gonna download it for FREE...


OOPS! There goes another sale and more money that the label coulda made...
 
Neil Tennant makes some pertient observations about this stupid state of affairs (ie the music industry's continued desire to shoot itself in the foot) in the new WORD magazine cover story. This was pre-YouTube announcement of course.

I never use it, my idea of enjoying pop music will never centre around squinting at crap music videos on my PC screen. I want something more tangible. If anything, the phenomenon has reduced a lot of music conversation down to a bloody YouTube link...which always annoys me. It's taking the personal touch out of talking about stuff...it's just "<insert URL>". No context, no mention of what or who it is. Just a sodding link.

So, aside from everything else, I'm not sad to see it curtailed a bit. Trouble is, there's no fucking retail industry left to speak of, no TOTP, nothing to go back to.

EG.
 
DiscoBlue said:
Oh em gee I totally forgot one major point! Thanks to someone else for reminding me...

What is the DEAL with the nationalization of iTunes??? That is costing labels potential millions as well..


iTunes should be BORDERLESS. If I live in the USA, and I can't find the Saturdays, and I don't want to pay extra for an import...I'm gonna download it for FREE...


OOPS! There goes another sale and more money that the label coulda made...

Well it is rather stupid, but record labels want to have control of the way acts are marketed in certain regions. The Saturdays for example are supposedly coming to the US but their US debut album will most likely be completely different from their European album. It also has to deal with royalties, and the various producers, writers, etc. Basically though record labels just haven't caught up to the way music is purchased these days. The number one music retailer (in the US at least) is iTunes. In the days when the most popular method of purchase was through brick and mortar stores the record labels would actually make more money by this regionalization. Think about it, they release an album in one country with one track listing and the same album in another country with completely different track listing, die hard fans of that artist pay to buy both and the record label makes more money. They don't understand that today if you can't just buy it off iTunes or wherever you get your music from you'll most likely just download it illegally. The record labels just need to stop trying to live in the past and catch up with the technology and they way people want to purchase their music.
 
I highly doubt iTunes will ever be "borderless". Different labels and different regions have different plans and release schedules. Certain countries (Hello Japan!) have always got more bonus tracks and I really can't see that changing anytime soon.

Sure, it would be nice, but I think the general public are mostly ignorant to the fact other countries sometimes get more tracks than them.

Having said that, I don't get my music from iTunes - I mostly get it from Napster. I absolutely loved last summer when I saw a discussion about Monrose on this board I was able to get their albums from Napster without any hassle, despite them never having released in the UK.
 
Femmenizer said:
Numerology said:
Honestly, the "newness" of a poster makes no difference, and besides not all of the point's he's raising have been covered.

But the truth is, and I'm more than welcoming to all newbies, there is such thing as a search function.

I know. But is it that hard to say "There is already a thread on this here [insert link], and there's a search button to the left of the forum so you can check your not reposting any old topics."
 
Firstly, the search function isn't that great. It doesn't always throw up the most relevant results. Leave moderation to the moderators.

On topic, the trouble seems to be that the consumer usually thinks it is for them to dictate to the music industry how they access music. Alas, this is not the case. It's their product, for them to control. That the functionality of YouTube won't be playing a part in how punters get their music is sad, annoying and breath-takingly shortsighted, but ultimately their decision.

Just like Sainsbury's might stop doing the pizza you like or Boots may no longer stock your favourite lip salve, the music industry has the right to control how its product is distributed.

Lobby them and complain, yes, but don't be mistaken into thinking that you should be able to get what you want when you want it. You're wrong.
 
Eric Generic said:
Neil Tennant makes some pertient observations about this stupid state of affairs (ie the music industry's continued desire to shoot itself in the foot) in the new WORD magazine cover story. This was pre-YouTube announcement of course.

I never use it, my idea of enjoying pop music will never centre around squinting at crap music videos on my PC screen. I want something more tangible. If anything, the phenomenon has reduced a lot of music conversation down to a bloody YouTube link...which always annoys me. It's taking the personal touch out of talking about stuff...it's just "<insert URL>". No context, no mention of what or who it is. Just a sodding link.

So, aside from everything else, I'm not sad to see it curtailed a bit. Trouble is, there's no fucking retail industry left to speak of, no TOTP, nothing to go back to.

EG.

It's a good point though. My main worry is that there's no dedicated strand on television for new pop acts to promote themselves. No Top Of The Pops (which became irrelevant in the end anyway) or no Saturdays morning show in which we can watch and discuss performances. There's T4 but they are very selective in who they book.

It's a shame. I personally don't want to watch Ant & Dic just to see my favourite pop group.

DiscoBlue said:
If I live in the USA, and I can't find the Saturdays

If I lived in the USA I wouldn't want to find The Saturdays!
 
Maureen said:
Just like Sainsbury's might stop doing the pizza you like or Boots may no longer stock your favourite lip salve, the music industry has the right to control how its product is distributed.

Lobby them and complain, yes, but don't be mistaken into thinking that you should be able to get what you want when you want it. You're wrong.

But if Sainsbury's don't have your favourite pizza, you go buy it in Tesco. You don't illegally download it because they don't have it! So, that analogy doesn't hold any weight. Digital music is MUCH more complicated than pizza.
 

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