letuinmybackdoor said:Kirkland said:As technology progresses you'll find more people able to put their music out there without a major label and profit from it.
But without major labels we made end up with more Sandi Thom's and less Girls Alouds. Visually and musically exciting replaced with cheap and easy to get 'out there'.
Daneeeboy said:I think they have a blessing coming in the form of a new format within the next few years - If you look at hi-def audio formats (like SA-CD, DVD-A) in terms of file sizes, then consider current lossless compression technologies, you're probably looking at being able to fit about 3,500 tracks onto a terabyte. Terabyte HDs can now be picked up for as little as £80, which means 1TB and 2TB disks will become the norm very soon. Plus, broadband speeds are being improved And home cinema systems are increasingly good (Dolby 7.1 surround sound etc.) and are hooked up to your digital music libraries.
I think we'll see an MP4 style hi-def audio format, in higher quality than a CD, released digitally through the likes of iTunes. If it were a genuine upgrade on the CD, it would require "the industry" to master and release these tracks, and many would upgrade. You'd still have the piracy issue of course, but I think they would still stand to make a fortune from the rereleases. There are entire swathes of my catalogue that I would be willing to upgrade.
Egalité said:Daneeeboy said:I think they have a blessing coming in the form of a new format within the next few years - If you look at hi-def audio formats (like SA-CD, DVD-A) in terms of file sizes, then consider current lossless compression technologies, you're probably looking at being able to fit about 3,500 tracks onto a terabyte. Terabyte HDs can now be picked up for as little as £80, which means 1TB and 2TB disks will become the norm very soon. Plus, broadband speeds are being improved And home cinema systems are increasingly good (Dolby 7.1 surround sound etc.) and are hooked up to your digital music libraries.
I think we'll see an MP4 style hi-def audio format, in higher quality than a CD, released digitally through the likes of iTunes. If it were a genuine upgrade on the CD, it would require "the industry" to master and release these tracks, and many would upgrade. You'd still have the piracy issue of course, but I think they would still stand to make a fortune from the rereleases. There are entire swathes of my catalogue that I would be willing to upgrade.
I just don't think the demand will ever be there for what you are describing. The overwhelming trend over the last two decades now has been for convenience and ease of use over sound quality, and I see no particular reason why that would change. I think it is worth remembering that for many people, the initial upgrades to CDs were about a smaller disc that wasn't damaged as easily and could be carried around in a discman or used in a car, rather than some massive sound upgrade; the vast majority of people don't have or want the equipment to hear nuance in sound. Same follows for MP3, but I'm sure you're familiar with all the reasons people like those. SA-CDs and DVD-A has already been tried in the market and by and large there is very little market for it. Dualdiscs with 5.1 audio also failed. There is also the fact that the very same people who would want such HQ upgrades, are the type who won't go near digital formats, which is something of an issue.
I'm also not sure the technology is there in terms of broadband to make such a thing feasible; in this country at least, and the US, two of the world's biggest music markets, we're dealing with legacy copper wire, where getting more than a couple of megabits out of it is very very difficult, particularly to the numerous homes far from the exchange. Japan/Korea etc. and some small cabled areas of the UK are fortunate enough to have fibre-optic cables that mean tremendous speeds, but for the vast majority of music consumers worldwide, I cannot envision broadband arriving in the next decade which would make downloading tracks hundred of megabytes in size a snap. Even if, through a massive and expensive cabling programme, it did arrive, would consumers want to go back to waiting 2 or 3 minutes for a song to download? Consumer adoption is also way behind what hard drives are capable of, it took years before the majority of PCs were sold with anything over a 40gb hard drive, even now 120gb is as good as it gets in a lot of lower-end PCs and less in notebooks. To get to terabytes we are talking many years.
The equipment required to hear anything better than CD quality is also prohibitively expensive, cumbersome and requires often a large and suitable space for use. I want the music industry to be salvaged as much as anyone, but offering anything higher quality than a CD digitally is simply not possible for the vast, vast majority technologically, nor is there a market there.
There's two things you miss in your statement:Eric Generic said:I don't buy into the "live music is the future" bullshit. There is something about a carefully crafted piece of work that's made in a studio (or similar) which is made for posterity and repeated listens.
Same here, but as I never bore of saying, I am that rare animal -- a person that downloads lots of music for free, then buys more CDs because of that. My collection expanded by at least 100 albums last year, most of them by artists I never heard of, then downloaded their stuff, then (this is the bit record label execs don't believe) bought it on CD because I sort of don't feel like I own a record unless I have a Physical Copy.Eric Generic said:But then I don't care for live music beyond an occaisonal *being there* experience which is a bit overrated in most instances. Gigs are not a part of my life, and certianly not my musical enjoyment.
Remember that what record industry actually is, is a parasite living off the bodies of artists. Their goal isn't to make the consumers happy. Their goal is to find a way to make money. And there is no money in records anymore -- I bought the latest Morrissey record of CDWOW for 5 UKP and I don't think CDWOW lost money from that. But when you want to see Madonna live, and the tickets go for 120 UKP? You have a choice -- either you pay 120 UKP, or you miss Madonna live. There is no cheaper mid-price tour to follow shortly. There is no "almost Madonna" you could see instead. You can't download the experience. (As for what you get for the money spent, check out the 400 pages of the Sticky & Sweet tour thread where people bitch about not seeing much, not hearing much and being beaten up with a dildo on their way back to the bus. I don't think Madonna or Warner's have sleepless nights because of that. Those same people might not buy GHV3, but they will pay 150 UKP to attend the GHV3 tour.)Eric Generic said:For the entire music industry (or whatever it ends up being) to place its energies in live performance may work on a fiscal level (inflated ticket prices, people's strange obsession with going to zillions of gigs, or standing in a muddy field for days) but I can't see an end to recorded works.
I can't believe you just bashed early Badly Drawn Boy!!!!Eric Generic said:Then again, I've never been one for all this DIY, indie crap that filled the 7" shelves in HMV up until recently, badly-made music with no quality control, housed in frankly shit hand-drawn/written sleeves. No thanks.
Eric Generic said:I'm from a generation who built physical music collections, and still cannot feel any connection to stuff that's been downloaded...even stuff I've paid for. Until I have the CD, or vinyl, I don't get that sense of attachment. Something which, quite obviously and understandably, a lot of people younger than me just don't have anyway because they didn't grow up with it.
EG.
Pen Expers said:The times and changes are interesting, that's for sure. Whatever happens,music won't suddenly disappear, so even though you feel sorry for millions of jobs and good people involved, it's hard to feel too sad that big dinosaurs fall.