Discussion in 'Forum business' started by Someboy, May 19, 2020.
I’d also happily be a moderator.
And now at last it comes. You will give me the moderation powers freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Q̶͔̩̐U̷͙̳̽Ȩ̶̎̇E̷̳̻͋͝N̶͕͔͋̉!̴̞̀̏!̸̛̘!̴̭̳̿ ̴̛͖̎À̵̜ͅn̶͓̋͋d̵͉̽ ̸̜̑̽Ȉ̵̟͉ ̸̝͖̊̋s̷̡͚͆h̵̟̋a̵͚͐̑ḷ̷̹̃l̴̺̿ ̶͚̇n̵̩͉̎̃o̸̢͉̒̕ț̸̹͗ ̷͎́ͅb̴̦͓͆ẻ̸̺̂ ̸̺͋̈́d̶͍̔̽a̴͈͋r̷̡̕k̴͖̎͂,̸̳͘͜ ̸͎̆͠b̸̖̝̋ũ̸̞͇̈́t̴̚ͅ ̴͇̺̈b̴͔͊e̴̻͓̔ǎ̴̮u̸͓̦̅t̴̞̏ǐ̷̥̥f̶̭̠̎͐ụ̶̊͊l̸̠̅ ̵̲̜̋͐ḁ̸̆̓ṋ̸̚d̷̳̽̊ ̷͖͛ţ̷͗̕è̶͉͒r̶̺̓͝ŗ̷̈́i̷̳̦̋͘b̸̹̬̈l̴̤̈́̓e̶̢̟̎ ̷̧̛̔ả̴͉̠̐s̷̥͈̓ ̸̜͗̕t̴̪̜̉h̷̞̕e̴͓͛ ̷̢̗̊m̶̬̔o̴̯̖̾̈́r̸͔͊n̶̟̠̓͛i̴̹̖͐͗n̴̙̊g̷͇̓͝ ̵͈͒a̶̮̰̔͠n̸̮̓d̶̨̬̔͗ ̷̖̣̀ţ̸̦͘h̶͙̑e̷̗̋͜ ̷͓́n̶̰̈i̸͉̤͂̌g̴̗̀͑h̵͈̤̃ṯ̴͂!̴̛̼̻ ̸̡̱̐͛F̸̫̒a̵̻̓̔͜i̶̲͓͒̆r̷͎̈́͜ ̷͔̊͑à̷̯͜s̸̜̜̅͠ ̷͙̦̈́t̶̳̣̿h̵̟̐̒ȇ̵̹͎̈ ̴̨̻͌̄ŝ̸̗͓̇e̶̢̤̾̓a̸̧͓͘ ̶̡̠̀͝â̵̬n̴̟̦̊͝d̴͍͔͝͝ ̷̡̛̞̎t̵̰̳͐͐h̷͍̒̔e̷͖͂͝ ̶̰͍̍s̵͓̊̇ũ̵̜̈ṅ̷̖͖ ̸̹͐̌a̵̟̝̾ṇ̷͋d̴̙̙̊ ̸͈̄t̵̯̑̐ḫ̸͑e̵͙̮͑̇ ̶̫͌̓s̸̪͓̃͠ṉ̴̘̉͝õ̶̘̐w̷͇͓̐ ̶̞͉̔u̶͎̚p̷̞͒͆o̷̫͌n̶̟͆ ̸̜̊ț̴̠̈̋ĥ̷͉ͅe̵̥͓͒ ̶̖͜͝m̷͚̟̈́̍ŏ̸͇͕u̴̜̒ǹ̵̨t̵̯͆͜ä̷̜̭i̵͖̻̎̄n̸̖͍͋!̴̾͜ ̵̧̗̀̚Ḓ̸̂ȓ̷͍̤e̵̼͂̅ả̵͊ͅd̷̞̤̀̌f̴̰̀́ͅǔ̶̘l̸̇ͅ ̶̼̂͘a̸̛̪͑s̵̼̄ ̸̱̊̔t̵̥̦̅̐h̷̳̉ė̶͓̖ ̴͚̅̚s̷̰͆̂t̷̲̖̀ǫ̸̗͒r̷͍̱̀m̴̭͝ͅ ̸̪̦́á̴̜͇̉ṋ̵̒d̵͓̰̓ ̴͚͈̈t̴̛̞̎h̸̟͖͠ḙ̶̔ ̶͓̗̏͐ļ̸̠̂̄i̶̮͙̔̕g̸͔͚̒h̷̜͝t̸̪͔́͠n̶͙̾i̷͓̊ṅ̶̟g̷̝̱̈͑!̵̧̑̿ ̵̳͙̃͗S̶͖̕t̶̢͒r̸̮̈́͋ô̷͇͔͒n̸̜͍̔g̵̠̑͘e̷̛̥r̷̙͎̍ ̶̖̓t̶̫͕͒̉h̶̹̋̚a̸̡̐̾n̸͜͝ ̴̭̙̔͘ṯ̵̩̍h̷̬̻͒̌e̴̱͘ ̶̢̓͑f̶͓̣̀ớ̴̮ű̴͉n̶̢͂d̵̜͜͝a̸̰̫͆̕t̸̲̺͑̓į̴̗͑ȍ̸̼n̶̠̭̾͗ṣ̷̏ ̶̧̈́̍ͅo̷̿͜f̴̫͂̔ ̸͓̦̀ṯ̷̃̇h̵̲̑́ē̷̦̚͜ ̸͔͝e̷͉̽͘a̷͓̞̓r̶̲̿͠t̴̙͛̇h̵̩̉.̴̢̈ ̶̗̈A̷͇̯͌l̴̼̤̔l̸̰̦̍ ̵̙̫͒̂ŝ̵̤ẖ̶̃a̸̫͚̎̈́l̷̢͕̍l̵̮͂ ̵͔̊l̶̩̫̂ọ̷̈͘v̴̫̳̓ễ̶̮̞ ̴̰͐͜m̷̿͝ͅė̸̘͔̿ ̸̖͌͠a̵̳̤̅n̵͙̱̽d̸̡̹̄ ̶̭̈́́D̵͈̜́E̴̛̠ͅŞ̵̙̏̽P̵̪͛Ã̷̬I̶̯͝R̴̤̼͐͌!̸͉͌̚ͅ!̴̙̻̌!̶̼̄͒
I hate moderators.
You are going to unintentionally re-enact this whole bit from FF8, word for word, if / when you become a mod and the forum will collectively shit themselves
While all my nominations have already been said I would probably like to add my take on what a moderator can/should be.
For me personally it comes down to an understanding that pleasing everyone isn't necessary, but in reading the room and understanding the oft unspoken yet implicit forum mood. An issue that I've certainly seen is that some mods of 'the old guard' don't seem to be aware of how the forum has changed and how we have evolved in both our awareness of social issues, and the ways we communicate. Indeed there often seems some lack of awareness, bordering on contempt from these moderators over the changes in what we have slowly evolved into.
Part of why @2014 and @Solenciennes worked as appointments was because they genuinely love and engage with the forum and have been a part of the shift in tone over the past few years. In that regard I think people who have helped shape our conversations such as @OspreyQueen and @superultra very much are excellent choices.
In that regard moderating isn't about being a 'big' name but about being able to navigate the complex forum waters and understand the changes and directions we may take and adapting to them. Rather selfishly people like @RJF, @BEST FICTION et al. would likely be unable to be as forum defining as they are if they were mods with limitations and expectations so like yannno...that's a thing.
also @beyoncésweave you are a total sweetheart for suggesting me thank you x
I should probably make it clear that I have negative interest in being a mod.
@londonrain (honestly I stan you in general)
@Trouble in Paradise
In a non-shady way, I agree that finding something as essential as the main forum atmosphere unpleasant would rule out a user from becoming a moderator in that area. The starting point shouldn’t come with a negative bias or we will end up with another discouragement-esque issue in the future.
The aim should be to make this forum accommodating for all at present it isn’t in some places and hopefully new mods will change that. Personally for me personality isn’t the most integral quality needed for a potential mods capability compared to impartiality. But I understand why having mods who understand and get the tone of forum is important for others.
But I do think it’s important that a consensus in regards to the rules is needed to truly reflect the tonal shift of the forum and that the mods need to be on the same page enforcing these rules cause there is inconsistency and some double standards currently.
Doing a bit of good for the world in my own meagre way, organising things, interacting with more people than I otherwise would (like the annual PM exchange I have with @TheChoirgirlHotel about pinning threads in the Eurovision sub forum!), helping people when they’re having hard times - over the time I’ve been a moderator there have been lots of people who have messaged me about something, often involving other forum members but in conjunction with their life offline and concerns about their mental health and all sorts of things... it’s a very real human connection and I like to help people.
It definitely changed my relationship with how much I engage in discussions on the forum, I’d even say about a quarter of posts I make don’t get posted because I think better of it when considering my need to jump in and moderate (eg if a fast paced discussion is occurring I might want to throw my opinion in but within a page or two an argument that requires moderating has broken out, me being part of the lead up to the incident puts my need to moderate into question... that sort of thing), so there are lots of times where I feel like an outsider looking in but it’s so embedded in my experience of the forum that I don’t miss how it used to be, for anyone weighing that up in their head... but I do feel like I’m pigeonholed into my moderating character in most spaces on the forum as a way of being able to participate while having a semblance of authority where it’s needed.
Well I’d argue that it’s actually the other way around. I have certainly been active in the past and I just got tired of explaining feminist issues to people over and over again.It was easier to give up. I also think P&J has become way more combative than it used to be. Clearly many people want a change to this forum in general. How are you going to change it if you only hire moderators comfortable in the current atmosphere?
Anyway, I’m not going to push back against it if the current mods decide these rules, but I personally do not agree that any new mods need to be currently active in P&J. They need to be willing to re-engage and work with current mods to move the forum forwards towards where the majority want to go.
@Island has been campaigning for the Comeback Corner role for a while and I actually think he'd agree that we'd make a good team modding that forum (did I just nominate... myself? Ya, I did!). I've always unironically loved the Comeback Corner but that place desperately needs some TLC (and I'm not talking about T-Boz).
Could you elaborate on this?
Well I don’t want to derail the thread, but my last memory of P&J was one of my friends deciding to leave the forum because everybody piled up on her for making “too many” harmless jokes in the Taylor Swift thread. Jokes that could’ve been easily scrolled or not seen by putting the person on ignore. Perhaps antagonistic is a better word than combative. There was really no reason for that situation to happen except for people who wanted to get posts in for likes.
I would... really prefer if we kept this thread to nominations.
I agree a broader discussion on moderation is warranted, but let me get step one done before we start going for steps two through 10.
Sorry. I won’t post anymore on the topic.
The forum at the worst of times feels like a “boys club” so to speak. If you’re not in on the joke, you feel deliberately excluded and it’s not the nicest feeling. Granted, I feel like this has died down a bit in the last five or so months after a lot of people aired their issues about the forum culture in places it felt the most prevalent (i.e. certain forum fave threads, random thoughts). I think having some new mods who aren’t part of the usual social/demographic makeup would help a lot in breaking that culture down.
I know that isn’t on-topic but I wanted to get that off my chest.
Since other people who have been nominated have expressed how they feel, I wanted to inform you all that I am very neutral about becoming a moderator. I’m not yearning for the position, but I’m not dismissing it either. If anything, I am very much curious.
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