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I might have to skip the side theme purely based on logistics/trying to find time for the main contest and Xtra with everything going on IRL at the moment.
Sorry to these men.
Oh Boy! It's PJSC round 148! He's Done
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I might have to skip the side theme purely based on logistics/trying to find time for the main contest and Xtra with everything going on IRL at the moment.
Sorry to these men.
Inland Empire
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Same, sorry!
I might need an extra month of voting period, thank you.
Honestly, could've won - that chorus is killer
That was the idea nn
You always do to be fair, doesn't mean the hosts should enable your sloth tendencies x
SUPER GOOD TO BE BACK!!!
Not this happening in the main round too.
(at least I think it only applies to the vocals in this case)
In a futile attempt to distract myself from reality I’m doing all three contests for the first time ever (I guess there’s xtra too, which I could never!) so I think another 47-song side contest is off the table for me too I’m sorry @Untouchable Ace xoxo
Also I’m sure I’m in the minority but AI music doesn’t bother me! I’ve heard some really crazy ones on TT lately and love a couple of them. For me it’s not the method it’s the end result. I don’t think photos we take with our phone are inherently less artistic than those developed in a darkroom either. Tools are constantly changing, and as barriers to entry lower, people are forced to be even more original and creative.
It’s scary and feels unfair for those with training to be forced to adapt and compete with those who create just by entering a prompt, and as a graphic designer I completely understand, but you simply can’t stop progress.
Having said all that, I’m not advocating for AI music to be allowed in these contests because I’m not a regular participant often enough so that would be presumptuous. But we are in a time where the meaning and value of art in many mediums is being reevaluated. It’s a complex and fraught conversation and I’m just throwing in my two cents!
(And now I’m worrying what if my entry was the AI vocal and I didn’t even realize it haha!)
Also I’m sure I’m in the minority but AI music doesn’t bother me! I’ve heard some really crazy ones on TT lately and love a couple of them. For me it’s not the method it’s the end result. I don’t think photos we take with our phone are inherently less artistic than those developed in a darkroom either. Tools are constantly changing, and as barriers to entry lower, people are forced to be even more original and creative.
It’s scary and feels unfair for those with training to be forced to adapt and compete with those who create just by entering a prompt, and as a graphic designer I completely understand, but you simply can’t stop progress.
Having said all that, I’m not advocating for AI music to be allowed in these contests because I’m not a regular participant often enough so that would be presumptuous. But we are in a time where the meaning and value of art in many mediums is being reevaluated. It’s a complex and fraught conversation and I’m just throwing in my two cents!
(And now I’m worrying what if my entry was the AI vocal and I didn’t even realize it haha!)
I partly agree here (there are some very... vocal users on here advocating against AI use) but have to say this comparison isn't really apt because the photos taken with a phone are still real photos and involved some human effort. If you compare it to AI image generators, that's a different story. It puts people like artists in a difficult position because of how their content is being accessed and used. The main thing is that AI generating models are being trained by processing tons of real work by real artists without their permission - basically a sophisticated way of stealing original work without obtaining proper authorization. And no wonder some of the AI companies are facing lawsuit regarding copyright infringement. 'Method' does very much matter in that case.
And let me be clear, I have absolutely no issue with using generative AI purely for fun or for personal assistance. I find it fascinating and use it myself (there are over 120 songs I 'created' since last year), and also impressed by how scarily accurate it can sound, although it's still pretty flawed. Helpful AI tools are popping up every so often too. But it's also a very easy thing to misuse and it does have many worrying aspects about it. One of those things is using that type of content to profit and present something as real (the example here being someone uploading AI generated songs to Spotify) which just doesn't seem the right thing to do, no matter how you try to frame it. If someone really wants to showcase such creations, they should just clearly label them as a product of AI and don't try to present them as something else because it is a completely different category.
Approaching it at a surface level may make it seem like a completely harmless thing however, as you said, it's a more complex topic and there are many things to consider when discussing it.
AI encompasses so much, I mean Google translate is AI. I was only defending the validity of art created with it, and absolutely not the exploitation of IP involved in creating the tool itself!
As far as human effort concerned, the amount can vary. It can take a lot of experience to enter the correct prompts to get something remarkable, and whoever came up with the lyrics to 10 Drunk Cigs showed far more talent than someone who turned on their phone and hit a button imo haha.
Anyway we agree it’s a complex topic! xoxo
Note that I was specifically talking about generative AI there - I'm very aware technologies using artificial intelligence are (and have been for a long time) incorporated in so many different everyday things making our lives easier and clearly, in the vast majority of cases, it's being channeled in a useful way. This latest wave of generative imagery/audio and such allowing everyone to create basically anything falls into grey area for a reason.
I'm glad we're having any sort of actual discussion regarding this and not just "AI? ew no" type of responses which I tend to see on the forum.
Generative AI is not capable of creating art, because there is no heart or artistic intention behind the creation of it. It’s regurgitating actual art to create stolen content and heating up the planet in the process. AI is a useful tool to like automate menial tasks and make people’s lives easier in that way, yes. But the beauty of art is as much about the act of creation as it is the act of consumption. Consumption without creation isn’t art, and it isn’t valid.
People absolutely use AI with creative intentions, and I’ll leave it at that and agree to disagree! xoxo
And (respectfully) they should take those intentions and put them into honing a craft x
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I'm going to feel iffy if I end up voting for this song. I hope this occurrence is a one-off cause the implications... not to be dramatic, but I'm not trying to feed my spotify algorithm with this stuff. The phase when they were pushing GrimesAI was weird enough.Not this happening in the main round too.
(at least I think it only applies to the vocals in this case)