Oscars Race 2024-25
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Now THIS is where we just get way too serious about all this. Let your algorithms do their thing and just give it a rest yeh?
Well, as we are in the Oscars thread, it would make logical sense that reference to the zeitgeist* implied...cinephiles, award voters, etc. We are not discussing blockbusters here (if you can call Wicked that) - which is why any recognition here for Wicked is a big bonus, as more comparable films like Deadpool & Wolverine (in style and quality) are not nominated for serious acting awards. Like I said, we are talking about the Academy Awards here - I'm sure Wicked will be a great contender at the Teen Choice, People's Choice, MTV Movie Awards, etc where being the fifth biggest film of the year (which is...not really the accomplishment anyone who invested in it was hoping for) will be recognized and celebrated.
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Now, I'm parachuting out of here - but that's not what I was implying at least. The post @yearone wrote just mentioned that Demi was some sort of supernova in the greater culture against the other actress nominees - and I just found that statement sorta not all the way baked comparatively when you think about Cynthia and Wicked.
But since we're talking about cinephiles
Not to mention a lead that’s a veteran actress past her peak and sell by date (acc to Hollywood) being triumphant at her role
I really want Demi to get the best actress oscar
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Now, I'm parachuting out of here - but that's not what I was implying at least. The post @yearone wrote just mentioned that Demi was some sort of supernova in the greater culture against the other actress nominees - and I just found that statement sorta not all the way baked comparatively when you think about Cynthia and Wicked.
But since we're talking about cinephiles
I was actually referring to this
Wicked and The Substance are both genre movies. "Demeaning" Wicked to make The Substance look better as if the latter is some high prestige product is ??
I said it wasn't the MTV Movie awards because the person with the Ariana avatar was making implications about Wicked's box office. The Oscars don't award Box Office. That's something the MTV Movie Awards, People's Choice - hell, even the Globes awards. Not the Oscars.
By logic awards should be given based on how big the movie was, Tom Holland and Margot Robbie would be Oscar winners...and Wicked wasn't even that big of a box office hit.
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I mean the original post AlmightyAloud was replying to was about The Substance's supposed cultural impact, not about who was more deserving in terms of acting. The topic was very much about success
And besides... tell that to Oscars Fan Favorite and Oscars Cheer Moment winner Zack Snyder (lol remember that)
Well...I just also don't think Wicked was this huge cultural moment they're making it out to be. It certainly wasn't Barbie (which also didn't deserve any of the Oscars it lost). Maybe for a few weeks in November is was a big deal - but given how huge the source material is, it certainly wasn't the Frozen or Harry Potter they were hoping it would be. The repeated "fifth biggest film of the year!!" (which...given the budget and promo is not that impressive) doesn't mean anyone deserves an Oscar - which is what I thought this thread was to discuss.
In pop terms - Wicked felt like The Tortured Poets Department. Technically, numerically, a big deal - and certainly resonated with its target audience...but it wasn't as inescapable as it set out to be. The Substance was Brat - no, not as huge on paper, but undeniably a moment in culture and something that felt current, influential and boundary pushing.
And let's look at who walked home with the hardware.
And let's look at who walked home with the hardware.
Maybe...... but then doesn't Wicked being a non-Disney/non-animated musical also play a factor here?
Look, it's not that serious. Let's all just hope Demi wins an Oscar and just move along.
