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Pink: The Discography Rate ∞ WINNER!

Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by swim, May 28, 2019.

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    30. Whataya Want From Me?
    Average score: 8.32
    Highest score: 10x7 @Daniel_O @tylerc904 @Sideout @Laurence
    @Remorque @Music Is Life @Duppe
    Lowest score: 5 @LiK
    My score: 9.5

    There might have been a time
    When I would let you slip away
    I wouldn't even try
    But I think you could save my life


    That's right, despite being the last album to have any songs eliminated we kiss goodbye to the Greatest Hits... So Far!!! 'Whataya Want From Me' is clearly the right choice for best track out of the four, a glorious reclamation of a song gifted to Adam Lambert, so I'm super happy to see it last until now.

    In another world she never passed this to Adam, who actually does a perfectly competent job selling the song, and they beefed it up for a full release down the line. It feels decidedly stripped when it comes to the chorus but regardless I find the melody and delivery to be one of her very best. Recorded for
    Funhouse and produced by Max Martin and Shellback, it's certainly surprising to see that she passed on this to Adam Lambert of all people, only to release her own version further down the line. The two versions don't even differ, showing that Adam only felt the need to change the 'he messed me up' lyric, ddd.

    I don't know much about how Adam got his hands on it, but he is quoted by Billboard as saying:

    Pink wrote ‘Whataya Want From Me’ and then decided she didn’t want to put it on her album for personal reasons. I think she was quoted saying she didn’t want to go into the sentiment of the song. I did! A great song is a song that means different things to different people. It was a really honest sentiment and a great hook.”

    Though I can't find the quote in question from her so hopefully someone knows!

    'Whataya Want From Me' is a roaring tune with the deepest of hearts beneath it. Lyrically I find it to be a stunning admission of weakness, begging her lover for time and acceptance following a particularly traumatic breakup preceding it. Perhaps a bit of projection, but I've always found solace in that admission. I've been through a hell of a lot with relationships, and that leaves you with a hell of a lot of scars and things to process, and although we ought to not put that on other people's shoulders it is important to open up to them about it.

    He messed me up, need a second to breathe.

    Sometimes it isn't the right time when we meet somebody but that makes everything harder, accepting that maybe you're just not ready to love someone else yet because you can't love yourself. But isn't it okay to not be okay? Who preaches that we can only love others if we love ourselves? Because truthfully sometimes it can feel like we love others because we can't love ourselves, and we can become obsessive with that dependence. In these cases, it's better to open up and talk about it to them rather than close away and believe that it's impossible for you to make it work. What do they want? Are they prepared to accept the work you need to do to be ready for love? Will they be there for you too?

    Commentary corner:
    @Laurence: (10) Great track, I like the Adam Lambert version too. Don't understand why she gave it away first, perhaps something for when this is going out and we can get a backstory? But glad we got two tracks out of it and some fanmade duet edits. I just like it.

    @tylerc904: (10) I do prefer Adam’s, but the songs itself is just a knockout regardless. As a Funhouse leftover, I do think it’s stronger than 90% of what did make it.

    @Sprockrooster: (9) Not entirely sure if it is a good thing it is so similar to the Adam Lambert version (which I listen to much more), but it is such a stellar song, it doesn't really matter in the end.

    @Maki: (8.5) I haven’t listened to this song in so long, and it’s actually really good. Don’t know if I ever heard the Adam Lambert version, but P!nk’s version is probably miles better. The verses are lovely, as well as the post-chorus. With a slightly different production and arrangement, it could’ve appeared on “Funhouse” album.

    @Reboot: (8) I did not know Pink had written this! It’s good

    @nikkysan: (8) Definitely much better than the Adam Lambert version.

    @abael: (8) Serviceable cover of a good song, it fits Pink well even if she does little to set herself apart.

    @savilizabeths: (8) “I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion but I prefer the Adam Lambert version. It feels like there’s more dynamic, passion and theatricality to his that I always loved. This song does have major nostalgia for me though, and it gets a pretty high score for that. It’s definitely cool to hear P!nk’s version, even if it’s lesser in my eyes."

    @R27: (7.75) This is better than Adam's version. I'm also listening to this right after the second of half of Beautiful Trauma so it feels like a nice palate cleanser.

    @rick: (7) Adam’s was a perfect choice for this.

    @The Hot Rock: (6) Prefer Adam's version but a good song is a good song.


     
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  3. Blow Me, Timebomb and Runaway don't really feel like top30 material. I'd throw in the list Happy and What About Us too but I understand some people are somehow attached to those.

    Whataya Want From Me lasted much much more than what I thought but being the last one out is correct considering the other three "anthems".
     
  4. I mean 'Happy' is a devastating examination of self-hatred and fear of change inspired by a miscarriage she had at 17 but yes, somehow people have attached to it.
     
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  5. Like... Even if you compare the songs against each other there should be a least 1 you like more or less than the other 3.
     
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  6. There was, he gave a 9 but also an 11 so it balanced back out.
     
  7. Ehh... Something vaguely like this.
    20. Get The Party Started
    Blow Me (One Last Kiss)
    Please Don't Leave Me
    Beautiful Trauma
    Try
    I'm Not Dead
    Funhouse
    Heartbreaker
    Sober
    Cuz I Can
    Leave me Alone (I'm Lonely)
    Glitter In The Air
    Whataya Want from Me RIP
    I Don't Believe You
    God is a DJ
    Most Girls
    So What
    Trouble
    Who Knew
    1. U + Ur Hand
     
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    29. Get the Party Started
    Average score: 8.38
    Highest score: 10x6 @Sprockrooster @soratami @Daniel_O, @kal, @rick, @Sideout
    Lowest score: 4 @Sanctuary
    My score: 9

    Boulevard is freakin' as I'm comin' up fast
    I'll be burnin' rubber, you'll be kissin' my ass
    Pull up to the bumper, get out of the car
    License plate says Stunner number one Superstar


    In ways, this feels like the beginning of it all. Especially considering her disconnect from the debut album, I wouldn't be surprised to find casual fans that believe this is her very first single.

    We all know the story by now, as it's one that is consistently celebrated throughout her career, but did you know this was actually intended for Madonna? She would go on to turn it down as described by Perry in an interview with Rolling Stone:

    “Get the Party Started” was just me figuring out what all this stuff does. I came up with that beat, laid it down, found all these weird chords and sounds and put the horns. Then I went back to my guitar for the wah-wahs. I was just having fun. I picked up a microphone and said, “I’m just going to say every clichéd line I can think of.” And I came up with, “Get the party started on a Saturday night” and wrote a bunch of stuff down. I called up my manager afterwards and said, “I just wrote a damn hit.” It was too easy.

    I sent it to Madonna and she passed, but a week later, Alecia [a.k.a. Pink] called. She left me this really crazy message how she would come find me if I didn’t call her back. I saw what she looked like — she was a bling-bling girl — and I said, “I think you have the wrong Linda Perry.” She’s like, “Is this the Linda Perry who sang ‘Dear Mister President’ in 4 Non Blondes?” I’m like, “Yeah.” She’s like, “Well, I have the right person.” I had just written “Get the Party Started” and I go, “Well, I’ve got something I wrote last week,” and sent it to her. I guess she sent it to LA Reid and they said, “Okay we have our first single.”

    Going on to become one of her biggest singles, and arguably one of her signature songs, this song was a signal that P!nk was ready to return with an entirely new image - one that would go on to define her entire career.

    Whilst it certainly isn't timeless, something about it is so damn nostalgic and wonderful that it's still absolutely impossible to deny. There is a Madonna-esque sound to it but the delivery really couldn't be anyone else, and the fact this has gone on to feature the wildest stunts in her tours gives it even more character. It's a kind of song that really shouldn't work but she pulls everything together and throws it back out with a kiss. An absolute hit from start to finish.

    Commentary corner:
    @Sprockrooster: (10) When Dame Shirley Bassey covers the song, you know it is a banger.

    @rick: (10) Would have been a Number 1 if a Beatle didn’t die. I said it

    @Maki: (9.5) Now… can this be called a classic? I’ve known this song since forever and always loved it. It’s a perfect song needed for her transition from R&B to pop rock. I think the story of how she came across this track because of Linda is a miracle. This catchy, sassy and enjoyable tune totally deserved the success it received. But I have to be a bit objective, too - it’s not among the absolute heights of the album (a.k.a. my 10’s from this album). The remix version is also worth a listen. And please don’t kill me for preferring it to “Just Like a Pill” and “Don’t Let Me Get Me”

    @savilizabeths: (9) “SingStar, anyone? Part of my childhood was singing this with friends on SingStar. It remains that bop. It’s so fun and ridiculous and just so damn P!nk.”

    @Music Is Life: (8.5) I get that this is iconic and it’s a fun bop, which is all true, but this is my least favorite lead single from her. It just doesn’t is slightly annoying, and I prefer the verses to the chorus. The production goes off though.

    @JMRGBY88: (8) So wrong that it’s right. Also, Shirley Bassey covering this was iconic.

    @tylerc904: (8) Obviously a staple/arguably her signature song in the US, but it wouldn’t penetrate my P!NK Singles Top 10. I loved that Sweet Dreams mashup that was on Now 9.

    @abael: (7) For a song that was a huge deal for me in its time, it falls kinda flat… It's good and all, just disappointing.

    @R27: (6.5) I've never been a big fan of this one and it's not something I'd ever want to listen to while partying. It's the origin of Pink's "spunky" lead singles, which I frequently find underwhelming.



     
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  9. Blow Me is the song that I unceremoniasly took out of #1, isn't it. Well with those cringe vocals and screechy and out of tune chorus it deserved nothing more than tumble. Hoping I can see it sooner than later cause I can't another lead single falling before it.
     
  10. Also this might be my favourite quote in the whole rate so far.
     
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  11. I can only imagine the kind of conversations P!nk and Linda Perry had. Must have been hilariously messy.
     
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  12. Thank you.
    FINALLY.
    Blow Me is her best lead single.
     
  13. This...is a lie.
     
  14. An argument could also be made for So What, What About Us, and Trouble but I know you won't agree with that.
     
  15. Well I didn't read the lyrics of 143 songs and musically Happy is far from interesting, but thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice the lyrics.
     
  16. Y'all keep treating opinion as fact when I'm presenting you the results right here.

    P!nk lead singles so far:

    29. Get the Party Started
    31. There You Go
    37. Stupid Girls
    43. Raise Your Glass
    55. Walk Me Home

    Remaining:


    What About Us
    Blow Me (One Last Kiss)
    So What
    Trouble
     
  17. I'd never really thought about it, but looking at that list I'd say her best debut single is actually Trouble.
     
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  18. ALSO I just checked and out of her second singles, we've only lost 'Fucking Perfect' and 'Can We Pretend', the latter barely being a release anyway. Talent!
     
  19. So basically:
     
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