PJ Retro 109 (reveals complete)
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There's a song on this list stolen from my potentials. Watch it win while I come last with what I decided to enter instead of it ddd.
Veto panel (which I was a part of) fail this round. A featured rapper on one of the tracks has rapped on at least 6 UK top 10 hits, including a #1 and three #2s, plus two UK #11 hits ddd. That would probably be classed as too much overall career success.
Granted, the rapper in question is not a big known name in his own right… but this track may well have been vetoed had one of us noticed. Ddd.
Granted, the rapper in question is not a big known name in his own right… but this track may well have been vetoed had one of us noticed. Ddd.
I’m not being a bitch here (honestly), but I really think that sentence above should be food for thought. A rapper not even the veto panel has ever heard of being a probable cause for veto, had they just noticed his achievements, because of the rules. And who would’ve this benefitted? Absolutely nobody, as evidently nobody knows who he is, top ten hits and all. And even if they did, there’s also this slight matter: would the members participating give his song more points just because he’s had hits? I seriously doubt it. But rules being rules this is what could’ve happened, and similar cases have indeed happened multiple times.
Personally I think the first and most important question the veto panel should always ask is Is this song generally known by the participating PJ members? This song. Not concentrate so much on the act’s possible other chart successes, if the artist otherwise is a non-veto, nor looking at their overall career achievements like reading the bible. Sure, someone might’ve released a succesful hit album in 1976 and even 1977 and someone else maybe had three hits in the UK in 1982 (and none after those), and yet most of those (imaginary) acts’ 20 albums worth of songs would be totally unknown and fresh to most of the members here.
It’s just so utterly frustrating when you first and foremost want to share musical discoveries you’ve made with others, and get told yeah sorry no, your artist is too well known because she had one top 10 hit or featured on some popular soundtrack 40 years ago. No matter that you’ve entered an album track from a flop album released 25 years later, which has nothing to do with those grand achievements. Why can’t it mostly be about the song which has been entered, not past glories, unless the glories are big for real and not found between the lines?
I don’t mean to rant or in no way attack anyone, but it seems the rules have taken over a bit and that’s sad. There needs to be rules for sure, but also room for people to think for themselves. If I think an artist is too well known and should’ve been vetoed, I just don’t vote for it. But I’ve also made great discoveries by artists I’ve known well by name, yet have actually heard only a song or two by them. And that goes even for many platinum selling artists. Just because they might’ve been popular once decades ago, doesn’t mean us living in 2025 know most of their material. It would be nice to be given that chance.
And now I shut up (finally!)
We get the veto discussion every now and then and I just want to note that vetoing is hard, takes a lot of time and effort, and I'm convinced it's always done with the intent of making the contest as fair as possible.
/Former veto panelist who was always far too lenient
/Former veto panelist who was always far too lenient
Exactly. And I'm not about to get into this discussion again, but I'll just say that a) any sort of competition needs to have a set of clearly defined rules everyone can follow and understand to function properly, and b) the way PJOPS crashed and burned shows what happens when these things are run on little more than vibes.
I was just about to say....yes, we tried to use more personal discretion and figure out what felt like too well-known and what didn't. In the end, a set of rules were brought in and that's when I bailed, really. I didn't disagree that the competition needed rules, just that inevitably you'd get some anomalies and the rules would stop something being allowed on a technicality more than anything.
Yes, obviously saying it was run on just vibes was an exaggeration on my part, but I really don't think you can be too subjective here, because with a set of participants wildly varied in terms of age and nationality, without a set of parameters to follow everyone's perspective on what should and shouldn't be entered in the contest would just vary way too much. And yes, not every single song that gets vetoed in any of the contests would have an advantage if it did pass, but if we were to go by that, it'd be very easy to fall into "ok, but if that passed then why didn't this pass" arguments basically every round.
There’s always the periodic Veto rounds. All is not lost.
And I definitely knew the rapper in question. It slipped through I think because it didn’t use his usual name. I lived through the 90s and remember it/him well. The songs were big hits in many countries.
But on the bright side, you may have just discovered your next entry!
Alas, it was entered in a PJ00s contest and finished 21st. Failure all around.
What song was it?
I guess that’s a Belgian act because it sounds like Belgian dance music.
And just found out it was producted by Regi Penxten from Milk Inc.
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I was curious and looked him up - he's only actually had a featured credit on one of those? Or do we now count all vocal appearances, which would probably be a right struggle for the panel. Also it's not like a rapper on the track is a big draw in this contest nn
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This seems like a pretty obscure list to me. Some familiar names but I think I've heard only one entry besides my own.
This seems like a pretty obscure list to me. Some familiar names but I think I've heard only one entry besides my own.
Thank you, though it's in the old tracklist order! ('I Must Be Free' and 'Ironspy' are in the wrong places.)
I wondered how you did that several days after I edited it – then realised I'd only updated the page 3 songlist and not the page 1 songlist. Oops.
I'm bad at having to think about more than one thing at a time ever. Did I mention I'm simultaneously running a different game on a whole other forum? I'm dual-floundering this month.