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Citation needed. Any cursory look at history shows the murder of civilians didn’t start on 7 October.
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Here you go.
Also this.
This too.
Granted these are just words, but like, she wasn’t the actual president. But to act as if she never said these things is dishonest.
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What does the name Shireen Abu Akleh mean to you?
A terrible tragedy. There have been tragic losses on both sides over the decades. When one side does something, the other side retaliates even harder.
My point was she had plans to end the violence over there, to find a solution with what both sides would’ve been content.
I won’t blame her for Biden supplying Israel with weapons because she wasn’t the president. He was.
This was the outcome you said you wanted by not voting, or voting for doomed grifters.
I'm not sure who you think you're lecturing, Rei. I haven't actually tabulated this, but my recollection is that the majority of us in this thread (especially those of us in Red or Purple states) said that they ended up voting for Kamala, myself included. That certainly doesn't preclude us from criticizing her unquestionable embrace of Zionism, her indisputable devaluing of Palestinian lives and her deplatforming of Arab American voices. I think most of us intellectually understood that she was in a tough (perhaps a near impossible) position, being the sitting VP of the current President. Threading that needle -- trying to simultaneously defend Biden's legacy and to distinguish herself from that legacy was probably never going to work.
I think I've come to the conclusion that virtually no one -- other than perhaps a once-in-a-generation genuine Bernie'esque populist from the Left -- was going to beat Trump in 2024. And, I understand the shock and horror of witnessing Trump actually do exactly what he said he'd do, but I still don't think that precluded us from criticizing the Israel/Palestine policy then or now. And, I'm sure as shit not going to criticize anyone for voting their consciousness -- least of all Arab Americans who were witnessing the Biden/Harris-funded and Biden/Harris-endorsed daily slaughter of their people.
As sad as it is to admit, I actually don't think even a hard Left pivot on Gaza would have saved Kamala's candidacy, but it probably would have helped turnout better than embracing the God Damn Cheneys.
I think I've come to the conclusion that virtually no one -- other than perhaps a once-in-a-generation genuine Bernie'esque populist from the Left -- was going to beat Trump in 2024. And, I understand the shock and horror of witnessing Trump actually do exactly what he said he'd do, but I still don't think that precluded us from criticizing the Israel/Palestine policy then or now. And, I'm sure as shit not going to criticize anyone for voting their consciousness -- least of all Arab Americans who were witnessing the Biden/Harris-funded and Biden/Harris-endorsed daily slaughter of their people.
As sad as it is to admit, I actually don't think even a hard Left pivot on Gaza would have saved Kamala's candidacy, but it probably would have helped turnout better than embracing the God Damn Cheneys.
I’m a very fact based person. It bothers my spirit when people run with a narrative because of how they feel, even if it isn’t true.
I get that. I'm a very pragmatic person, too. I see a vote in a Presidential election as a do-the-least-harm calculation, not as an emotional embrace of some hero figure. But, again, I don't think you can say making a ballot box decision based upon a literal genocide is purely emotional, either.
If not emotional, then extremely short sighted. When making decisions, it’s important to think about the bigger picture. There has never been a perfect politician. People who are waiting for this mythical candidate who will do everything exactly the way they want them to will be waiting a long time.
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Do you believe Israel is perpetrating a genocide?
I'm getting increasingly suspicious of people who tut tut advocates for Palestine. Like, you could just as easily be haranguing white suburban women for increased Trump support, but the people getting buried alive are the bad guys. I've seen lib posts on Reddit practically giddy that Palestinian Americans who didn't support Harris will now "face the consequences." At what point does someone become just another genocide supporter?
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Of course I do. No one here is criticizing Palestinian support. What I’m criticizing are the attacks on Democrats.
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An assassination is not a tragedy. It's an intentional killing.
Which is the point. Under Biden, Israel became so hostile and egregious in their actions that they held no reservations about freely killing Palestinian citizens without fear of accountability - they went as far as to kill American citizens in Palestine as well with no accountability
So how can anyone sit here and claim anything *started* on 10/07?
Why didn't Biden move back the embassy after Trump moved it to Jerusalem?
Why didn't Biden sanction Israeli settlers in the West Bank for committing pogroms?
Throughout 2021 and 2022, Israel oversaw the demolishing of schools, water infrastructure, and housing all in the West Bank. Refugee camps in both Gaza and the West Bank were constantly attacked and people killed.
It's insane to me for anyone to have such a poor grasp on material reality that they'd sooner scream at powerless people and act as though somehow individual voters and non-voters can decide an election, but powerful people who blew through $1.5b in SuperPAC money and who intentionally lost the election have no blame.
The time to reconcile the failure of Democrats can't be ignored. We've now endured a decade of Trump at the fault of Democratic failure to stop him and meaningfully capture the political moment.
Democrats cannot justify their existence as a political party that can address and oppose Republicans if the people do not believe in them, let alone the very people (poor, people of color) who they claim to most represent. The below is one of the most horrific aspects of Harris' loss, far more than the actual margins.
Elected Democrats must have a "come to Jesus" moment and realize if they want to be the party of affluent donors and privileged suburbanites who can win special elections yet never win a general election, or go back to actually winning poor, working class voters again.
Any 2024 takeaway that doesn't focus on how centrism and race reductionism destroyed Democrats' working class coalition and the current form of the Democratic Party is an unelectable one isn't worth entertaining.
Why in the world are you so defensive of a party that has done nothing but enable Israel?
Is this satire?
That’s exactly what’s happening, though.
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Let's talk about Trump's latest America-greatening Executive Order!
'Back to plastic!' Trump to sign executive order limiting use of paper straws
But for real what next, you gonna outlaw reusable bags or what. I'm so glad I'm in hermit mode and don't get to hear the daily "discussion" about how this man is saving the country.
'Back to plastic!' Trump to sign executive order limiting use of paper straws
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But for real what next, you gonna outlaw reusable bags or what. I'm so glad I'm in hermit mode and don't get to hear the daily "discussion" about how this man is saving the country.