Discussion in 'Charts, rates etc' started by Ray, Mar 18, 2019.
@Future Lover You might to explain this in a bit more depth for me...
Wow i never thought Id have been the lowest scorer
@nostalgiakills Basically, sum of all of your scores for all tracks was 668, while the sum of all averages for all tracks was 666.8. Therefore, you were very close, summation-wise, which means you overscored and underscored in equal measure e.g. underscoring three songs by one, but overscoring one song by three.
Ugh, even I hate math sometimes!
Thanks for that!
Lemme quickly lower a few scores so you can recount the sum of averages...
Here are my comments on the top 2:
'Leaving' was also a contender for my 11. I also adore the lyrics and the music, especially the two brilliant musical middle eights referencing New Order and 'Heart'. It's not perfect, however. The fadeout needs to be much longer, which is why I think the ending of the 'Believe in PSB mix' is an improvement. Other than that, all the PSB remixes are indeed inferior: they all ditch the Hooky bit, add the cheesy and generic "believe in" bit, and the rap in the 'Side by side remix' sounds like it was delivered by a lecherous monster. Also, 'Leaving' was released in 2012 at the height of the loudness war, which sadly also affects its chorus. Listening to it on headphones isn't a pleasant experience since the vocal's sibilants are too loud (the verses in Saint Etienne's 'Last Days Of Disco', also from 2012, are even worse in that respect). Apart from that, I feel the same way about 'Leaving' as expressed in the following of your comments:
I don't have anything to add to the following comments on 'Love etc.' (mainly because it's flawless):
Even though I did some nitpicking with 'Leaving', I would have preferred it to win the rate as I hold it closer to my heart. I also second @Ray's observation that it would have been great if both the worst and best rated song came from Elysium.
Thank you, @Ray and @Future Lover for making this rate happen. And thanks to everyone else who commented. It was an enjoyable, suspenseful, informative, and occasionally irritating ride.
When @Future Lover mentioned some days ago that I was the biggest contrarian of this rate, I was still thinking that he was kidding somewhow (...ok, who am I kidding, I knew this rate was doomed when #100 was announced).
Considering these numbers, I´m surprised that I´m only disaggreeing with 5 out of 10 songs in the top 10.
I´m happy that Love, etc. won over Leaving. Popjustice served!
It´s their most daring and adventurous pop song since...well, I don´t know. Is it possible, that it´s actually their most daring and adventurous pop song ever?
Thank you, @Ray and @Future Lover for running a great rate. I loved the commentary and wit throughout. I think the wrong track won but it just shows how varied their later output is and that it appeals to everyone differently
Aaah, I definitely prefer this over 'how crap their later output is'! Thank you.
Last but not least, I want to thank @Ray for being a terrific companion in all of this. It was a enjoyable little rollercoaster, this rate. The songs are all in the wrong order, of course, but it was a blast! The artworks alone were brilliant from elimination to elimination, and in combination with the previous two rates, it's a masterwork. Once again, a big round of applause for this charming man.
Thank you @Ray and @Future Lover for hosting this great rate, providing a lot of insight, details, great artwork, humour and suspense!
Although I'm a bit disappointed that my 11 did not make the Top 10, I'm happy with the Top 3 - my average is 10,0 for these three tracks!
OK, I think it's time...
Two pieces of news:
1. There's still PSB4: Collaborations if people are interested. I've made a tentative list:
Spoiler: 55 songs
Liza Minnelli – I want you now
Liza Minnelli – Losing my mind
Liza Minnelli – If there was love
Liza Minnelli – So sorry, I said
Liza Minnelli – Don't drop bombs
Liza Minnelli – Twist in my sobriety
Liza Minnelli – Rent
Liza Minnelli – Love pains
Liza Minnelli – Tonight is forever
Liza Minnelli – I can't say goodnight
Dusty Springfield – In private
Dusty Springfield – Daydreaming
Dusty Springfield – Nothing has been proved
Dusty Springfield – I want to stay here
Dusty Springfield – Occupy your mind (my 11)
Shirley Bassey – The performance of my life
Tina Turner – Confidential
Kylie Minogue – Falling
Cicero – That loving feeling
Cicero – Heaven must have sent you back to me
Cicero – My middle-class life
Cicero – Love is everywhere
Cicero – Live for today
Electronic – Getting away with it
Electronic – Patience of a saint
Electronic – Disappointed
Boy George – The crying game
Eighth Wonder – I'm not scared
Robbie Williams – We're the Pet Shop Boys
Robbie Williams – No regrets
Robbie Williams – I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing
Robbie Williams + Pet Shop Boys – She's Madonna
Robbie Williams – There are bad times around the corner
David Bowie + Pet Shop Boys – Hallo Spaceboy
Alcazar – Love Life
Absolutely Fabulous – Absolutely Fabulous
Miyuki Motegi – All or nothing
Sander Van Doorn, Robbie Williams – Close my eyes
Pet Shop Boys, Elton John – Believe (Song for Guy)
Morten Harket – Listening
Blur – Girls and Boys (Pet Shop Boys remix)
Stop Modernists – Subculture (feat. Chris Lowe)
Sam Taylor-Wood – I'm in love with a German film star
Girls Aloud – The Loving Kind
Jean Michel-Jarre – Brick England
Pretenders feat. Neil Tennant – Let's get lost
The Collaboration – Break 4 Love
Pete Burns – Jack & Jill Party
Frances Barber – Mongrel
Frances Barber – Soup
Frances Barber – Run, girl, run
Frances Barber – Ich bin Musik
Frances Barber – Friendly fire
Frances Barber – For every moment
2. This list will definitely be discussed and refined, but not by me, because I am leaving (happysad) the forum.
Spoiler: Ask me why, I'll say it's most unusual
I've been feeling increasingly uncomfortable here – here as in the forums in general, not this thread, of course. I have limited my presence on the forum to this thread in the last months, rarely popping elsewhere to discover that, yup, still no place for me really. No names, it's not anybody's fault, it's not you, it's me, etc. I follow Mark Manson's advice, there is information that's valuable and junk information; there is information that makes you feel better and information that makes you feel worse. Without dissecting the percentage of valuable vs junk, a lot of posts in the last year or so have been making me feel worse. I come here for escapism, or rather used to – now after reading posts in various threads I end up needing escapism from that. Instead of making me feel better, participating in the forum made me feel worse and Gods know I don't need that.
I think the last drop for me was when Peter himself posted, saying that he would like everybody to feel comfortable here, and was ignored. I can't expect the forum to adapt to me, that's not how communities work, so I am moving on.
No further comments will be given at this long-awaited (by me) time.
I'm not saying I'm leaving forever, especially if someone (I think @slurmjunkie or @Future Lover would do a stellar job) picks PSB4. Feel free to hit me up using the links below, just let me know what your PJ username is. I'll hang around until Saturday or so before I go. In case you're reading this after Saturday, thanks so much for being here, especially but not only if you took part in the rates.
It's gonna be alright (aaalright), 'cause the music plays forever.
I'd love a PSB4 !
It's funny because I left the forum 2 or 3 years ago and it's you, Ray, who is leaving today, that made me come back again here for the PSB3. So now that it's over, I'll go back to my PJForum-free life (Life is peaceful there)... and come back again if Dusty or Liza needs my help in another epic rate.
I am super, super sad that you'll be leaving the forum. Especially as the three PSB rates you hosted were among the most enjoyable experiences on here. However, I do understand your point. If the forum is not a source of happiness for you anymore (and it sounds like it's become the opposite), you have to do what's right for you well-being. But if there'll be a PSB4 (I'd be delightes to take part again), it would be awesome to have you back for that.
Nonononono, NO! @Ray
You ARE the PJ Forum for me! Not only your PSB Marathon rate, but also all the other rates you hosted and that you made so special.
I hardly follow any other threads here and I´m quite good at filtering the noise from stupid people (tm), so I´m a bit shocked to hear that some parts of these forums make you feel uneasy.
don´t make me cry
instead let´s make
and let´s dance to some
to escape the
Cheap Polish Beer and Sub Kylie Shit are better titles than Dreamland (and the four others too by the way).
@Ray We'll miss you. Thank you for all your hard work and for making these rates such a joy x
I would LOVE Pet Shop Boys to record a song called 'Sub-Kylie shit'.
Thank you for all the kind words (and your avatar, @TrendyMüller – I am super touched!). I've made this discussion a few months ago, though. I could have put more work and time into this rate, to be honest. So I can leave on a high-ish note.
After this rate it needed to be called Subpar Kylie Shit
Neil, we all know you read this. You already wrote She's Madonna. Sub Kylie Shit would be a good addition to your Pop Chronicles.
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