Róisín Murphy - Take Her Up To Monto

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Actually I think this is gets to the issue than the melody/no melody debate. I found, particularly with Monto, that the songs are too open and don't really reward individual intensive listening. The melodies and hooks may be there, but they are not presented effectively. (Yes, I know, I am a callow dummy who can only deal with verse/chorus/bridge song structures, etc.)

And I think that is why her last albums felt (and still feel) so relevant
She has always worked on the interface of different genres (dance and pop) and instead of just accessorizing a typical pop-song with dance-sounds, she took inspiration from the structural approach to dance-music.
 
Actually I think this is gets to the issue than the melody/no melody debate. I found, particularly with Monto, that the songs are too open and don't really reward individual intensive listening. The melodies and hooks may be there, but they are not presented effectively. (Yes, I know, I am a callow dummy who can only deal with verse/chorus/bridge song structures, etc.)
I actually agree with you on much of this. I think you're probably right about a lot of it not being presented effectively, and that's why it's difficult. And while I enjoy her output, it wasn't an easy listen for me at first. It just happened to grow on me. It didn't grow on others, and that's fine. But it really is dumb to make claims that there are no melodies when they are there (they're just not used as effectively as they could be). I really don't think you're uncultured for not liking her music, and I really hope that didn't come across that way.

The way "tuneless" has been used here though is just as bad as using "dirge" to describe a bop you don't like. Just... don't be wrong.
 
This whole discussion actually led me to explore some of the Hairless Toys videos/singles (I'm only familiar with Overpowered) and I don't know what you people are talking about. These songs are great!

Surely, not commercial in any way, but I wouldn't say they are "difficult" or "challenging". I found them quite groovy and pleasant, if a bit "background music", but I never had a problem with that.
 
Sing It Back has A LOT to answer for. They made so much money out of that song. I remember watching a documentary about it appearing on endless compilations at the time and they were raking in the coin. I think that level of commercialism probably scared her a bit and maybe the pressure for more palatable radio friendly stuff from the record company made her feel creatively stunted. I feel she's rebelled against this since to a degree or is at least aware of it. She's a true artist in that sense but it does feel slightly bizarre to lash out when the commercial doesn't come knocking when you decide it should.

edit:oh i see this has been covered. apols
 
I think the Hairless Toys shows resulted in many people (casuals) going “never again” because she didn’t play any hits bar two and those where slower live versions? I saw her twice that year and everyone after the shows was disappointed in the lack of familiar material. Tour promoters and festival bookers probably felt the same?
The tea. After her first show in years sold out here, she got overexcited and booked two nights in a row during Coachella week. Ticket sales were so poor the two dates got merged into one half-filled night. The casual fans caught on and stayed away ddd.
 
Why doesn't Plaything have a radio edit? It's like she knows no one will play it? She needs a new manager
Tell me about it!

It’s well daft! It does exist as it on the radio. I was going to tweet her about it but Im scared I’ll be met with some hostility!! I resorted to ripping the video edit - works so much better on me playlists!
 
Don’t get me wrong, I love this inspiration. But do we really think “the gays” give a flying fuck about ball culture references?
I remember when "Gone Fishing" premiered and the collective response among all my gay Roisin-fans was a big fat groan.

I also don't get why the radio edit of Plaything isn't officially available. Trust her to make a bop but only in a 6-minute "take it or leave it" format.
 
Roisin really cares about balls culture, she got inspired by the gays in the documentary Paris Is Burning, and she even calls herself a drag queen, so she's one of the gayest artists actually.
 
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