I have now also listened to the version by Clout, and there's no clear winner for me. The production for Peaches is much more flat and tinny, but I prefer the voice, especially during the chorus. And the cymbal sounds on Clout's version are so loud in the mix, it's driving me insane.
#soon! Part Un - The 60s-00s Girl Band Debut Breakthrough Rate
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Oh I listened to the Righteous Brothers and I liked this version as well. It's just so slow ...
But Clout was so successful here, their best known songs (Substitute and Save Me) still got played on theme parties ... So maybe I was biased but I think the drummer (who has apparently the lead) is maybe a bit over challenged with this song?
But Clout was so successful here, their best known songs (Substitute and Save Me) still got played on theme parties ... So maybe I was biased but I think the drummer (who has apparently the lead) is maybe a bit over challenged with this song?
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Forgot to give you all hints for the next 3 cuts I extracted for this weekend's eliminations!
There will be a tie I am breaking not with high scores (they got the same amount of 10s) but with which one got the lowest score. One of these tracks was sure would make the top 10 when we started! We also say goodbye to our first 11 in the next three cuts! Watch out for it!
There will be a tie I am breaking not with high scores (they got the same amount of 10s) but with which one got the lowest score. One of these tracks was sure would make the top 10 when we started! We also say goodbye to our first 11 in the next three cuts! Watch out for it!
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Thanks for coming back! :)
Here's another one for you, love!
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Pussycat Dolls - Don't Cha
Average Score: 7.336
Highest Score: 10 x 4 (@soratami, @ufint, @Conan, @ohnostalgia [?????])
Lowest Score: 2.5 x 1 (@Russron)
Well! Isn’t this cut a surprise? I fully expected we would be seeing the Pussycat Dolls all the way into the top 10 when I started this rate. I am impressed with your taste PopJustice! This is my lowest score in the rate by far at 3.9 (and I still got outdone by @Russron!). I will not dispute with anybody that this track is indeed an undeniable bop, nor that it is one of the most commercially successful tracks of the list. What I have always disliked here is Don’t Cha’s message.
Presenting (introducing) Nicole as the other woman has legs I suppose, and when we look at songs like Unfaithful by Rihanna there is definitely potential for an interesting take on the subject too; however the writing in Don’t Cha is so unsettling to me. Dismissing someone’s girlfriend because she is not hot nor fun (which the infliction on Nicole’s vocal delivery has always infuriated me due to how she objectifies herself too) like you is so childish and problematic to begin with. There is not even an indication that the guy may be as responsible for the relationship being in turmoil, instead he is glorified and without fault by both having an unreasonable partner and a hot chick after him! If this isn’t (still) representative of the problems we still face today in the gender gap issues, I don’t know what is!
The last verse goes into the ‘not breaking a happy home if it ain’t love’ territory to try to do some damage control but fails miserably as far as I am concerned, since Nicole has been dismissing the other woman the whole time and objectifying herself for the sake of the male gaze, failing until then to give a compelling reason to be with her other than lust. I started having this conversation with some of you on the PCD rate in that I could never get into this song as at that point in time, I was all for the empowerment of the Sugababes’ take of Heidi putting her clothes back on when she plays an exotic dancer in Stronger and dismissing the patriarchy in the audience. This resonated to me so much that to find PCD hitting the charts around the same time with this message was so jarring!! Especially when Don’t Cha ended up performing so much better on the charts!
It should also come as no surprise to you all that the three writers credited for Don’t Cha are indeed men, painting an even more problematic picture in my books about this message. I would also like to say I am fully aware many other songs in this rate are male dominated in that aspect (especially the early eras) but none seem to paint the women so poorly to me, either as protagonist or antagonist. Furthermore, another aspect of this song as a Girl Band Debut I dislike is how inconsequential the other members beyond Nicole are! You hardly hear them, even in the chorus! I realise this debut was always to showcase Nicole but even in the other songs we rate here with an obvious lead singer, the other members have something to do??
Don’t Cha was a huge commercial success for the girls and would rank as one of the most impressive debuts with reaching the top 3 position in all three charts that qualify this song for the rate and many many others. Don’t Cha also has quite an interesting story behind it. It was originally released by Tori Alamaze, a backing vocalist for OutKast to some minor success (#53 on the Billboard R&B/Hip Hop chart) but when she became disillusioned with a music career and wanted out of her contract, she gave away the song. Don’t Cha was apparently offered to Sugababes (gaaaaa!! Not suitable til version 3.0 or 4.0 - thank you very much!) and Paris Hilton (hahaha) who both declined it and ended up in the Pussycat Dolls’ corner.
Despite my reservations with the song, music critics were very favourable towards it, seeing it as sassy and brassy, with lots of high energy (all true but the message isnt any less problematic). VH1 ranks this at #96 of the 100 greatest songs of the 2000s and it is the 29th most successful song by a girl group on the Billboard Chart. Well done for that, girls! PCD have plenty of other hits in their repertoire but not many connect well with me due to their underlining message which objectifies the girls. It’s bad enough when men do it so to hear girls doing it themselves, especially in this genre saddens me. I would say When I Grow Up would be my top pick if I had to pick something.
Were the voters as divided on this as I was?
DJHazey (5) surprises me and many with this score! - I love a handful of their singles and not much else, which doesn't include this one. Most of their debut album has a very dated sound to my ears and this a huge example of that. Unnameable (8) remembers the influence – launched a thousand dirty dance moves across cheaper nightclubs across Britain. Iheartpoptarts (5) bought into the commercial appeal - Don't love the song, still bought the hoodie.
DominoDancing (6.5) is the shady beast I have come to love - Kinda saved by a surprisingly moody production, but let's face it. There was never any talent here. Empty Shoebox (3) is our other low scorer - 'I know you like me' No Nicole, I don't. I don't like this man on the song either. The intro takes far too long and I'm just shouting 'GET ON WITH IT' at the screen. Okay, the choreo's pretty good, but I'm not scoring it based on that. I remember a version without the man, but it wasn't much better. I can't score it based on that however, because I might have imagined it.
Trouble In Paradise (9.5) is our first lover - I can still remember the first time I heard this song, my closeted little high school self was doing his homework and listening to Top 40 radio when it came on. I stopped doing my homework, got up and started dancing. By the second chorus, I was singing along. And honestly, the song still makes me wanna drop everything and bop. Filippa (3) is back to her villainous ways and picked the perfect song for it - No fan of Nicole Scherzinger and her star allures. The song is good but the rap spoils it for me.
Saviodxl (7.6) sees the bravery - I just think it was very brave of them to come wth a song about stealing boyfriends, specially if you want girls to like you and trust you. But circa 2005 pop music was so sexualized, it fit them well. Girls Aloud and Sugababes were never promoted in America, so they filled the gap pretty well. ComeOnGloria (5) is my twin again! - The lyrics annoy me.
Riiiiiiiii (9.4) is still favouring songs that don’t make it as far as he’d like - My inner slut made me rate this song so high. And my inner drag queen too. Kermit_The_Frog (9) may not know how shady this sounds to me - Their finest moment and one never surpassed by them or by Nicole as a solo “star”… Zar-Unity (8.5) sees unique here, hmmmmm - These girls are not only sexy, they have unique style! Tech: 5 Taste: 3 +.5 = 8.5 points
Presenting (introducing) Nicole as the other woman has legs I suppose, and when we look at songs like Unfaithful by Rihanna there is definitely potential for an interesting take on the subject too; however the writing in Don’t Cha is so unsettling to me. Dismissing someone’s girlfriend because she is not hot nor fun (which the infliction on Nicole’s vocal delivery has always infuriated me due to how she objectifies herself too) like you is so childish and problematic to begin with. There is not even an indication that the guy may be as responsible for the relationship being in turmoil, instead he is glorified and without fault by both having an unreasonable partner and a hot chick after him! If this isn’t (still) representative of the problems we still face today in the gender gap issues, I don’t know what is!
The last verse goes into the ‘not breaking a happy home if it ain’t love’ territory to try to do some damage control but fails miserably as far as I am concerned, since Nicole has been dismissing the other woman the whole time and objectifying herself for the sake of the male gaze, failing until then to give a compelling reason to be with her other than lust. I started having this conversation with some of you on the PCD rate in that I could never get into this song as at that point in time, I was all for the empowerment of the Sugababes’ take of Heidi putting her clothes back on when she plays an exotic dancer in Stronger and dismissing the patriarchy in the audience. This resonated to me so much that to find PCD hitting the charts around the same time with this message was so jarring!! Especially when Don’t Cha ended up performing so much better on the charts!
It should also come as no surprise to you all that the three writers credited for Don’t Cha are indeed men, painting an even more problematic picture in my books about this message. I would also like to say I am fully aware many other songs in this rate are male dominated in that aspect (especially the early eras) but none seem to paint the women so poorly to me, either as protagonist or antagonist. Furthermore, another aspect of this song as a Girl Band Debut I dislike is how inconsequential the other members beyond Nicole are! You hardly hear them, even in the chorus! I realise this debut was always to showcase Nicole but even in the other songs we rate here with an obvious lead singer, the other members have something to do??
Don’t Cha was a huge commercial success for the girls and would rank as one of the most impressive debuts with reaching the top 3 position in all three charts that qualify this song for the rate and many many others. Don’t Cha also has quite an interesting story behind it. It was originally released by Tori Alamaze, a backing vocalist for OutKast to some minor success (#53 on the Billboard R&B/Hip Hop chart) but when she became disillusioned with a music career and wanted out of her contract, she gave away the song. Don’t Cha was apparently offered to Sugababes (gaaaaa!! Not suitable til version 3.0 or 4.0 - thank you very much!) and Paris Hilton (hahaha) who both declined it and ended up in the Pussycat Dolls’ corner.
Despite my reservations with the song, music critics were very favourable towards it, seeing it as sassy and brassy, with lots of high energy (all true but the message isnt any less problematic). VH1 ranks this at #96 of the 100 greatest songs of the 2000s and it is the 29th most successful song by a girl group on the Billboard Chart. Well done for that, girls! PCD have plenty of other hits in their repertoire but not many connect well with me due to their underlining message which objectifies the girls. It’s bad enough when men do it so to hear girls doing it themselves, especially in this genre saddens me. I would say When I Grow Up would be my top pick if I had to pick something.
Were the voters as divided on this as I was?
DJHazey (5) surprises me and many with this score! - I love a handful of their singles and not much else, which doesn't include this one. Most of their debut album has a very dated sound to my ears and this a huge example of that. Unnameable (8) remembers the influence – launched a thousand dirty dance moves across cheaper nightclubs across Britain. Iheartpoptarts (5) bought into the commercial appeal - Don't love the song, still bought the hoodie.
DominoDancing (6.5) is the shady beast I have come to love - Kinda saved by a surprisingly moody production, but let's face it. There was never any talent here. Empty Shoebox (3) is our other low scorer - 'I know you like me' No Nicole, I don't. I don't like this man on the song either. The intro takes far too long and I'm just shouting 'GET ON WITH IT' at the screen. Okay, the choreo's pretty good, but I'm not scoring it based on that. I remember a version without the man, but it wasn't much better. I can't score it based on that however, because I might have imagined it.
Trouble In Paradise (9.5) is our first lover - I can still remember the first time I heard this song, my closeted little high school self was doing his homework and listening to Top 40 radio when it came on. I stopped doing my homework, got up and started dancing. By the second chorus, I was singing along. And honestly, the song still makes me wanna drop everything and bop. Filippa (3) is back to her villainous ways and picked the perfect song for it - No fan of Nicole Scherzinger and her star allures. The song is good but the rap spoils it for me.
Saviodxl (7.6) sees the bravery - I just think it was very brave of them to come wth a song about stealing boyfriends, specially if you want girls to like you and trust you. But circa 2005 pop music was so sexualized, it fit them well. Girls Aloud and Sugababes were never promoted in America, so they filled the gap pretty well. ComeOnGloria (5) is my twin again! - The lyrics annoy me.
Riiiiiiiii (9.4) is still favouring songs that don’t make it as far as he’d like - My inner slut made me rate this song so high. And my inner drag queen too. Kermit_The_Frog (9) may not know how shady this sounds to me - Their finest moment and one never surpassed by them or by Nicole as a solo “star”… Zar-Unity (8.5) sees unique here, hmmmmm - These girls are not only sexy, they have unique style! Tech: 5 Taste: 3 +.5 = 8.5 points
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I would like to formally apologize for all of my scores that aren't from the 60s. I was clearly feeling myself when completing this rate...
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No need to apologise for anything , my beautiful one! I gave Michael Bolton a 10, remember? ;)
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Shocked me too!
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Now I feel guilty for scoring them so high after reading that write-up. Nicole was just so charismatic on The X-Factor back in the days...
To be really honest I doesn't really bother me that they're out before the top 20.
To be really honest I doesn't really bother me that they're out before the top 20.
He/Him
No need to feel bad! This is just my take, yours is different. If I were rating and not paying attention to the lyrics, it would score higher with me too!
Clearly I shouldn't have bothered!
He/Him
You still have lots of high scores left, and I am due to be kinder to those, keep that in mind :)
I'm actually not that bothered about Don't Cha going, more about the fact that it's not C'est La Vie...
Don't Cha is actually a song I kept changing the score to. It is a bop, iconic, etc, but I wouldn't say it's quite on the same level as my other 10s (or as several other PCD singles). It's probably more of a 9.5 but I can't really be bothered with half points.
Don't Cha is actually a song I kept changing the score to. It is a bop, iconic, etc, but I wouldn't say it's quite on the same level as my other 10s (or as several other PCD singles). It's probably more of a 9.5 but I can't really be bothered with half points.
ohnostalgia
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Not every song I enjoy has to be feminist. I wouldn’t be able to like many songs then. Don’t Cha doesn’t bother me.
After y'all slaughtered the third best song in the whole rate (i.e. "Yes We Can Can") my only regret is that I had actually tried my hardest to be extra sensitive and reasonable with my Doncha score...
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@Empty Shoebox, you didn't imagine it. The radio edit doesn't have Busta Rhymes. In place of his rap, there's this bridge:
I know I'm on your mind
I know we'd have a good time
I'm your friend, I'm fun
And I'm fine, I ain't lying
Look at me, you ain't blind
I prefer that version... but don't care too much about the song either way.
I know I'm on your mind
I know we'd have a good time
I'm your friend, I'm fun
And I'm fine, I ain't lying
Look at me, you ain't blind
I prefer that version... but don't care too much about the song either way.