Yeah, that's a tough one. I think Sound of the Underground "only" coming in at #8 in the Xenomania rate made me go with Overload.
#soon! Part Un - The 60s-00s Girl Band Debut Breakthrough Rate
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londonrain
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After the savaging Overload got from certain voters in the Sugababes rate, I’m not sure about Overload either. If it beats Sound of the Underground I’m sure @Mina not voting will have been a key factor.
Damn, I didn't take part or even follow that rate. Should've done my PopJustice homework!
londonrain
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I think it finished at #9.
@beyoncésweave went above and beyond in that rate - you should definitely go back and read it sometime! He basically wrote a thesis on every song as it was eliminated.
You mean #Soon
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londonrain
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Let’s hope it’s #soon rather than actually shortly.
londonrain
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Incidentally:
The William Shatner character (Denny Crane, not Danny) was from The Practice, and then of course it was a main character in Boston Legal, but was he ever actually in Ally McBeal?
The William Shatner character (Denny Crane, not Danny) was from The Practice, and then of course it was a main character in Boston Legal, but was he ever actually in Ally McBeal?
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Denny Crane was in everything! Including a girl band rate with his name misspelled!
londonrain
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I think you may be massively overstating his influence.
I don't think @ComeOnGloria and I have ever stanned for William Shatner. Jane Krakowski, on the other hand... what an icon.
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I don't want these 4 in the top 10:
The Veronicas
The Nolans
The Bangles
The Three Degrees
And I absolutely want these 4 in top 10:
Sugababes
Spice Girls
Baccara
The Emotions
The Veronicas
The Nolans
The Bangles
The Three Degrees
And I absolutely want these 4 in top 10:
Sugababes
Spice Girls
Baccara
The Emotions
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"Sound of the Unterground", "If This Is Love" and "I Know Where It's At" can go now.
So sorry about that!
The rest is ok up to "I absolutely love it".
So sorry about that!
The rest is ok up to "I absolutely love it".
There were some crossovers but I really can't remember William Shattner. I didn't watch most of the episodes of the 5th series 'though.
londonrain
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Since we seem to be eliminating vocal talent all over the place, it stands to reason that the next ten eliminations will be:
The Shirelles
The Ronettes
The Marvelettes
Martha and the Vandellas
The Three Degrees
The Emotions
The Bangles
Wilson Phillips
All Saints
Sugababes
leaving us with a top ten of:
Baccara
The Nolans
Salt-N-Pepa
B*Witched
Spice Girls
Atomic Kitten
tATu
Girls Aloud
The Veronicas
The Saturdays
(PLEASE let this not actually be the case. I like several of the songs from that second list but that top ten would just be depressing.)
The Shirelles
The Ronettes
The Marvelettes
Martha and the Vandellas
The Three Degrees
The Emotions
The Bangles
Wilson Phillips
All Saints
Sugababes
leaving us with a top ten of:
Baccara
The Nolans
Salt-N-Pepa
B*Witched
Spice Girls
Atomic Kitten
tATu
Girls Aloud
The Veronicas
The Saturdays
(PLEASE let this not actually be the case. I like several of the songs from that second list but that top ten would just be depressing.)
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This actually means no 60s songs in the top 10 which would break me even further as the host but what did PopJustice actually do? Let's find out...
I’m here today as one of @berserkboi ‘s backup rate hosts to host a Very Special Guest Elimination.
Which song leaves us at #20?
Which song leaves us at #20?
Oop.
#20
Sugababes - Overload
Average Score: 6.66
My Score: -1000
Finally, at #20 we say goodbye to the vastly overrated dirge from the Sugababes debut album that, as Steps say, is Better Best Forgotten. Thank you and goodnight!
*dramatic sigh*
Overload is not actually eliminated. Today’s real elimination is….
#20
The Veronicas - 4Ever
Average Score: 7.682
High Score: 11x1 - @tylerc904 ♡♡♡
Team Taste: 10x7 - @GhettoPrincess, @Untouchable Ace, @Conan, @Remorque, @soratami, @unnameable, @DJHazey
Get Taste: @kermit_the_frog (3), @Aester (3), @londonrain (4), @Riiiiiiiii (4.2), @Baby Clyde (5)
At #20, y’all have tragically and prematurely booted The Veronicas’ breakthrough single (and winner of their Popjustice discography rate), 4Ever. The first single from the Veronicas’ debut album The Secret Life Of…, this pop/rock anthem with an ebullient chorus speaks to forgoing delayed gratification and seizing the moment to be (and be with) the person you want, because “C’mon baby, we ain’t gonna live 4Ever.” The best parts for me are the guitar riffs throughout and Jess’s high note on her adlib of “4Ever” on the final chorus.
4Ever was released 2005 in Australia, peaking at #2 on the ARIA charts and earning a platinum certification, and also and later released in the UK (#17 peak on the UK singles chart) and US (gold certification). This track was written and produced by hitmaking team Max Martin and Dr. Luke, who were also the team behind other pop/rock hits of the ‘00s like Kelly Clarkson’s Since U Been Gone, Pink’s U + Ur Hand, Katy Perry’s California Girls, Britney’s Hold It Against Me, and @Robsolete ‘s recent PJ00s entry, Megan McCauley’s Tap That, among others.
The Veronicas are a pop/rock band from Brisbane, Australia composed of identical twin sisters Jessica and Lisa Origliasso. Named after bad-girl-with-an-attitude Veronica Lodge of Archie Comics fame, this sister duo has been making music under The Veronicas banner for almost 15 years. Their first album, The Secret Life Of…. (2005), is quintessential pop/rock; its follow-up Hook Me Up (2007) led the vanguard of electropop of the late ‘00s, and their most recent effort, the self-titled The Veronicas (2014), sits comfortably in their pop/rock base. Those of you who have followed The Veronicas know that they have significantly more musical output than their three studio albums would suggest. They’ve written songs for other artists, such as t.A.T.u.’s All About Us, Kate DeAraugo’s (and Everlife’s) Faded, Casey Donovan’s What’s Going On, and Christina Parie’s Back to Life; they also have a rich back catalogue of unreleased songs to delve into.
4Ever was released 2005 in Australia, peaking at #2 on the ARIA charts and earning a platinum certification, and also and later released in the UK (#17 peak on the UK singles chart) and US (gold certification). This track was written and produced by hitmaking team Max Martin and Dr. Luke, who were also the team behind other pop/rock hits of the ‘00s like Kelly Clarkson’s Since U Been Gone, Pink’s U + Ur Hand, Katy Perry’s California Girls, Britney’s Hold It Against Me, and @Robsolete ‘s recent PJ00s entry, Megan McCauley’s Tap That, among others.
The Veronicas are a pop/rock band from Brisbane, Australia composed of identical twin sisters Jessica and Lisa Origliasso. Named after bad-girl-with-an-attitude Veronica Lodge of Archie Comics fame, this sister duo has been making music under The Veronicas banner for almost 15 years. Their first album, The Secret Life Of…. (2005), is quintessential pop/rock; its follow-up Hook Me Up (2007) led the vanguard of electropop of the late ‘00s, and their most recent effort, the self-titled The Veronicas (2014), sits comfortably in their pop/rock base. Those of you who have followed The Veronicas know that they have significantly more musical output than their three studio albums would suggest. They’ve written songs for other artists, such as t.A.T.u.’s All About Us, Kate DeAraugo’s (and Everlife’s) Faded, Casey Donovan’s What’s Going On, and Christina Parie’s Back to Life; they also have a rich back catalogue of unreleased songs to delve into.
What did y’all have to say about this one? We’ll dispense with Team No Taste first:
@kermit_the_frog (3) moaned “I feel like they are also responsible for Untouched? Which I irrationally hated. I can’t say that I like this any better.” Please, rid yourself of irrational hatred; it’s not a good look. My ex-PJ00s cohost @londonrain (4) obsequiously opined “What is this Since U Been Gone/U + Ur Hand rip-off?” My question for you is: “What kind of amazing follow-up to Since U Been Gone and precursor to U + Ur Hand (2006) are you not stanning for?!”
Unsurprisingly, the rest of Team Tasteless - @Aester, @Riiiiiiiii, and @Baby Clyde, left no commentary to justify their low scores, despite at least 2/3 of them being repeatedly quite vocal in the thread about wanting this song to exit. Live footage of @Baby Clyde right now:
Unsurprisingly, the rest of Team Tasteless - @Aester, @Riiiiiiiii, and @Baby Clyde, left no commentary to justify their low scores, despite at least 2/3 of them being repeatedly quite vocal in the thread about wanting this song to exit. Live footage of @Baby Clyde right now:
The members of Team Some Taste who left commentary include @Zar-Unity (6.5), who remarked “Some well produced pop rock, as a duo? I love it when "tik took" is in the Lyrics. Tech: 4 Taste: 2 +.5 = 6.5 points” Yeah, it should have been a 5 for taste, but oh well. Bubblegum pop aficionado @iheartpoptarts (7) said “I’m still a little bitter about the time pop went pop-rock for ages, but this is one of the good ones.” I’m glad that much is obvious.
More positive commentary came from @DominoDancing (8), who mentioned this is a “Super catchy song. Great chorus. Which must be why the despicable Dr. Luke recycled it for U + Ur Hand.” Indeed, see @londonrain? 4Ever begot U + Ur Hand which begot Tap That, which got diluted through the ranks of A-list to C-list producers to eventually beget hordes of random tropical house-infused PJSC entry that everyone is fawning over these days.
Our host @berserkboi (8.3) commented “Although I still have a marginal preference for U + Ur Hand (which Dr.Luke copy/pasted and gave to P!nk, the audacity!!), there is no denying this is how you do a debut! The girls went on to do tracks I still favour (just on their debut you have Everything I'm Not) and This Love or Hook Me Up but 4ever will always be something us Australians will be proud about!” With these spot-on opinions, I’m sad @berserkboi didn’t participate in the Veronicas discography rate last year. @ComeOnGloria (8.5) gave praise for its “Good chorus” (are you sure you don’t mean amazing?). Even our duo of perennial rate villains only had praise for this one. @Empty Shoebox (9) remarked “They sound a lot younger in this than they actually are. Is that intentional? Listen to the start of the chorus for an example. This is comfortably my favourite of the songs I didn't know and could easily have been a ten if that vocal moment sounded better. It even sounds the same on the 2009 version.” Well, the Origliasso twins were 20 when this song was released, and Jess in particular (who usually sings the higher harmonies and adlibs) does have a higher-pitched voice to Lisa’s more grovely tone. Even @Filippa (9) is a fan, exclaiming “That’s a song I like! Good voices, good harmonies and I like those more rocking tunes!”
More positive commentary came from @DominoDancing (8), who mentioned this is a “Super catchy song. Great chorus. Which must be why the despicable Dr. Luke recycled it for U + Ur Hand.” Indeed, see @londonrain? 4Ever begot U + Ur Hand which begot Tap That, which got diluted through the ranks of A-list to C-list producers to eventually beget hordes of random tropical house-infused PJSC entry that everyone is fawning over these days.
Our host @berserkboi (8.3) commented “Although I still have a marginal preference for U + Ur Hand (which Dr.Luke copy/pasted and gave to P!nk, the audacity!!), there is no denying this is how you do a debut! The girls went on to do tracks I still favour (just on their debut you have Everything I'm Not) and This Love or Hook Me Up but 4ever will always be something us Australians will be proud about!” With these spot-on opinions, I’m sad @berserkboi didn’t participate in the Veronicas discography rate last year. @ComeOnGloria (8.5) gave praise for its “Good chorus” (are you sure you don’t mean amazing?). Even our duo of perennial rate villains only had praise for this one. @Empty Shoebox (9) remarked “They sound a lot younger in this than they actually are. Is that intentional? Listen to the start of the chorus for an example. This is comfortably my favourite of the songs I didn't know and could easily have been a ten if that vocal moment sounded better. It even sounds the same on the 2009 version.” Well, the Origliasso twins were 20 when this song was released, and Jess in particular (who usually sings the higher harmonies and adlibs) does have a higher-pitched voice to Lisa’s more grovely tone. Even @Filippa (9) is a fan, exclaiming “That’s a song I like! Good voices, good harmonies and I like those more rocking tunes!”
And finally, our 10-givers. My Veronicas rate compatriots thankfully came to represent here.
@GhettoPrincess (10) mentions “That chorus is glorious. I also love the middle 8 too. The production is a bit dated now but it’s still perfection especially with those ad-libs at the end.” @Untouchable Ace (10) opines “Perfect debut for the twins and such a display of their attitude as well.” Agreed, I think we all like our girl groups to have attitude. @unnameable (10) declares this is “Max Martin at his finest” - obviously! - and @DJHazey (10) says “This was my 11 in their discography rate and honestly after all the songs I discovered back then and have since played over and over again...I think its title might be in jeopardy. Nothing at all against "4Ever" though, because that chorus is still pure fire and I still scream every word at the top of my lungs. What a 'grab you by the soul' anthem it will always be.” 11-giver @tylerc904 didn’t leave any commentary for @berserkboi, but perhaps he’d like to give some commentary now? This would have also been my 11 had I voted in this rate.
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You had me. I really thought the Sugababes were out!
Love it!
And you are so right!
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Thanks for this, @Mina - what an awesome elimination post!!
@tylerc904 did mention he decided to give his 11 to 4ever just before sending the ballot through, as there was another he was debating giving it to. More on that, #soon!
4ever's fortunes really turned towards the end of voting, at the start it really struggled to make the top 50 so it made quite an impressive comeback getting into the top 20!
@tylerc904 did mention he decided to give his 11 to 4ever just before sending the ballot through, as there was another he was debating giving it to. More on that, #soon!
4ever's fortunes really turned towards the end of voting, at the start it really struggled to make the top 50 so it made quite an impressive comeback getting into the top 20!
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This was me when I started reading that post
And don't come for me. I could have easily zeroed that song because I really really really don't like it. But out of respect for the ones that stan it I still gave it a 4.2. Imagine where it would be if I did give it a 0!