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I wish you had voted and stanned it, that's all I can say...
#soon! Part Un - The 60s-00s Girl Band Debut Breakthrough Rate
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MollieSwift21
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Shook my 11 made the top 10. Really thought it would be out before the top 30.
He/Him
PopInjustice strikes again to leave us without any flavour!
#10
Salt-N-Pepa – Push It
Average Score: 8.215
Highest Score: 11 x 1 (@DominoDancing) 10 x 7 (@kermit_the_frog, @GhettoPrincess, @ohnostalgia, @unnameable, @Remorque, @soratami, @berserkboi)
Lowest Score: 3 x 1 (@Empty Shoebox)
I take back what I said about writing this elimination being almost as bad as writing Heatwave’s as early as I had to. This stone cold classic should be in the top 3 too, and writing one up for Push It now is just as bad! Again with PopJustice doing anything Hip Hop/R&B flavoured wrong – this is no contest worse than kicking Destiny’s Child to the curb prior to top 25, I am sorry to say, @londonrain. Do you think Pop, Rap or R&B music would be where it is today without the gritty streetwise appeal of breakthrough acts like Salt-N-Pepa pioneering the way for it since the 80s? I don’t think so!
Push It is such a standard and classic, I am utterly shocked only the taste emperor @DominoDancing bestowed it with an 11, and that it somehow got less 10s than Hold On? Please! That synch, that baseline, that sass, that attitude, that earworm! All 10s on production alone, then add to it the wonderful MC skills of our girls and it goes from classic to killer!
Push It came into the rate with a bit of a hard time, with only about 60% of voters giving it the high marks it deserved at any given time, most others were giving middling scores like 6 and a couple of tasteless 5s and below until the shot in the arm it got from the 11 took it further than it had been and the rest around the 9 point mark kept it towards the top end of the rate. This is where I wish @KingBruno had also voted and ensured Salt-N-Pepa could have gone further into the top 10!
Not many of you may be aware of this but Push It was first released as a b-side to Salt-N-Pepa’s single Tramp in 1987 and as its own single in 1988, where it broke into the Billboard top 200 for a peak of #19. Originally released and peaking at #41 in the UK, it was after the band performed the track at Nelson Mandela’s 70th Birthday concert that it climbed back up the UK chart to get to its #2 peak. The song is notable as one of the first of the hip hop genre to have underlying sexual messages (yeah, I was surprised to find this out too BUT again with being influential!) Rolling Stone considers this to be #446 of the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time!
Salt-N-Pepa came to be when Cheryl James (Salt) met Sandra Denton (Pepa) at Queensborough Community College where they both studied nursing. One of their co-workers who was studying record production asked them to record for a class project of his, which resulted in the single The Showstoppa (an answer record to Doug E Fresh’s The Show) coming into existence. This track garnered some local airplay for the girls (originally called Super Nature) and when they eventually signed with Next Plateau Records, they adopted the stage name Salt-N-Pepa.
Adding some info about Spinderella (as per @Baby Clyde) since she was also a member of the outfit for some years. Her name was a spin on Cinderella and she was effectively the outfit's DJ - replacing Latoya Hanson and providing the other girls the beat! Technically still a member, she seems to be credited separately.
Salt-N-Pepa started their music career at a time hip hop was believed to only be a fad, with major labels reluctant to sign hip hop artists. They stood out by being one of the first all-female rap groups and giving a woman’s perspective in a genre that was rampant with objectifying and overall bad portrayal of women. Many feminists disliked rap music at the time but Salt-N-Pepa showed there was certainly a need for their angle within the genre.
The girls would be candid in their lyric and maintain their street credentials throughout their career, without shying away from real life topics involving men and sex such as in classic ‘Let’s Talk About Sex’. Remember at the time of release, this sort of direct approach to these topics by female artists was incredibly risky and controversial! As I said, without them – who knows whether we would be enjoying the likes of Nicki Minaj, Lil Kim and Rihanna in the same capacity…. Salt-N-Pepa are probably to me one of the bravest girls on our list to have the resilience to make their mark in what used to be a misogynist section of the music industry and paving the way for the music we know today? Bow down to our ladies!
What did PopJustice have to say for itself about this unjust cut?
Zar-Unity (5) breaks out of his usual 7 for a very undeserving low blow of a score considering the comment - Something a bit different, and with some unique style. Tech: 3 Taste: 2 = 5 points. Kermit_The_frog (10) brings some sense into this first comment paragraph - Overplayed? Maybe. Stone-cold classic? Definitely. Even as a grown-man I still aim to learn the whole dance routine before I die. Goals. Further Listening: Shoop
Riiiiiiiii (9.5) should really have given this the 10 it deserved! - Also got to know and love this one from a mix (As Heard on Radio Soulwax). Very catchy. ComeOnGloria (7.9) has a personal connection to this that is quite fun to hear! - Giving this decent points if only for the opportunity it has given me to hear a friend perform it on Singstar in the most middle class way possible! Was never really a big Salt-N-Pepa fan, but really liked Gitty Up. Saviodxl (8.2) shows he has some sense despite his awful score to Heatwave and one upcoming song… - Once I quoted this song during a date and the guy didn't get the reference. I dumped him.
Spillett (7) drops in for a short and sweet visit - (another classic but not really something I listened to much growing up). Filippa (7) picks the wrong moment to start showing signs of villainy - This has power, I like the beat. Dancing to it in a club must have been the sensation. But I’m not in a club right now and at home I find it difficult to listen to it. Trouble In Paradise (9.5) has only positives and I agree! - There’s a lot more instrumental moments than I remember that are great, but I just need more Salt-N-Pepa cause their charisma and delivery is undeniable.
Empty Shoebox (3) shows LondonRain how much tossing he’ll have to go with the scores he is soon to get for his R&B rate! - Far too much random shouting. I understand it's a significant record, but we're not rating based on that. We're rating based on how much we like it, and for me, that's not a lot. Untouchable Ace (9.2) means to give a 10, I am sure – Undeniable. Londonrain (8) must have had a concussion when giving this score considering that comment - That bassline! That chorus! That beat!
Iheartpoptarts (7) likes an earworm more than anything else - They never quite top the “ooh baby baby” bit, do they? Unnameable (10) is absolutely 100% right – this never gets old. DJHazey (5) gives us a preview of the upcoming HazeyPopTarts divorce from the looks of it - I absolutely detest the main hooks that everyone knows such as the "oooo baby baby!" and "push it real good" but when they break into verse I suddenly like what I'm hearing again. I also think the iconic synth loop is still something special. So it's a tale of two halves for me, so a 5 it is.
DominoDancing (11) ends it for us as the 11 giver - One of the best instrumental hooks in hip-hop history and a great vocal performance adding tons of memorable bits on top. I never get tired of this song. It's fun, a bit sexy, and everybody likes it.
Push It is such a standard and classic, I am utterly shocked only the taste emperor @DominoDancing bestowed it with an 11, and that it somehow got less 10s than Hold On? Please! That synch, that baseline, that sass, that attitude, that earworm! All 10s on production alone, then add to it the wonderful MC skills of our girls and it goes from classic to killer!
Push It came into the rate with a bit of a hard time, with only about 60% of voters giving it the high marks it deserved at any given time, most others were giving middling scores like 6 and a couple of tasteless 5s and below until the shot in the arm it got from the 11 took it further than it had been and the rest around the 9 point mark kept it towards the top end of the rate. This is where I wish @KingBruno had also voted and ensured Salt-N-Pepa could have gone further into the top 10!
Not many of you may be aware of this but Push It was first released as a b-side to Salt-N-Pepa’s single Tramp in 1987 and as its own single in 1988, where it broke into the Billboard top 200 for a peak of #19. Originally released and peaking at #41 in the UK, it was after the band performed the track at Nelson Mandela’s 70th Birthday concert that it climbed back up the UK chart to get to its #2 peak. The song is notable as one of the first of the hip hop genre to have underlying sexual messages (yeah, I was surprised to find this out too BUT again with being influential!) Rolling Stone considers this to be #446 of the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time!
Salt-N-Pepa came to be when Cheryl James (Salt) met Sandra Denton (Pepa) at Queensborough Community College where they both studied nursing. One of their co-workers who was studying record production asked them to record for a class project of his, which resulted in the single The Showstoppa (an answer record to Doug E Fresh’s The Show) coming into existence. This track garnered some local airplay for the girls (originally called Super Nature) and when they eventually signed with Next Plateau Records, they adopted the stage name Salt-N-Pepa.
Adding some info about Spinderella (as per @Baby Clyde) since she was also a member of the outfit for some years. Her name was a spin on Cinderella and she was effectively the outfit's DJ - replacing Latoya Hanson and providing the other girls the beat! Technically still a member, she seems to be credited separately.
Salt-N-Pepa started their music career at a time hip hop was believed to only be a fad, with major labels reluctant to sign hip hop artists. They stood out by being one of the first all-female rap groups and giving a woman’s perspective in a genre that was rampant with objectifying and overall bad portrayal of women. Many feminists disliked rap music at the time but Salt-N-Pepa showed there was certainly a need for their angle within the genre.
The girls would be candid in their lyric and maintain their street credentials throughout their career, without shying away from real life topics involving men and sex such as in classic ‘Let’s Talk About Sex’. Remember at the time of release, this sort of direct approach to these topics by female artists was incredibly risky and controversial! As I said, without them – who knows whether we would be enjoying the likes of Nicki Minaj, Lil Kim and Rihanna in the same capacity…. Salt-N-Pepa are probably to me one of the bravest girls on our list to have the resilience to make their mark in what used to be a misogynist section of the music industry and paving the way for the music we know today? Bow down to our ladies!
What did PopJustice have to say for itself about this unjust cut?
Zar-Unity (5) breaks out of his usual 7 for a very undeserving low blow of a score considering the comment - Something a bit different, and with some unique style. Tech: 3 Taste: 2 = 5 points. Kermit_The_frog (10) brings some sense into this first comment paragraph - Overplayed? Maybe. Stone-cold classic? Definitely. Even as a grown-man I still aim to learn the whole dance routine before I die. Goals. Further Listening: Shoop
Riiiiiiiii (9.5) should really have given this the 10 it deserved! - Also got to know and love this one from a mix (As Heard on Radio Soulwax). Very catchy. ComeOnGloria (7.9) has a personal connection to this that is quite fun to hear! - Giving this decent points if only for the opportunity it has given me to hear a friend perform it on Singstar in the most middle class way possible! Was never really a big Salt-N-Pepa fan, but really liked Gitty Up. Saviodxl (8.2) shows he has some sense despite his awful score to Heatwave and one upcoming song… - Once I quoted this song during a date and the guy didn't get the reference. I dumped him.
Spillett (7) drops in for a short and sweet visit - (another classic but not really something I listened to much growing up). Filippa (7) picks the wrong moment to start showing signs of villainy - This has power, I like the beat. Dancing to it in a club must have been the sensation. But I’m not in a club right now and at home I find it difficult to listen to it. Trouble In Paradise (9.5) has only positives and I agree! - There’s a lot more instrumental moments than I remember that are great, but I just need more Salt-N-Pepa cause their charisma and delivery is undeniable.
Empty Shoebox (3) shows LondonRain how much tossing he’ll have to go with the scores he is soon to get for his R&B rate! - Far too much random shouting. I understand it's a significant record, but we're not rating based on that. We're rating based on how much we like it, and for me, that's not a lot. Untouchable Ace (9.2) means to give a 10, I am sure – Undeniable. Londonrain (8) must have had a concussion when giving this score considering that comment - That bassline! That chorus! That beat!
Iheartpoptarts (7) likes an earworm more than anything else - They never quite top the “ooh baby baby” bit, do they? Unnameable (10) is absolutely 100% right – this never gets old. DJHazey (5) gives us a preview of the upcoming HazeyPopTarts divorce from the looks of it - I absolutely detest the main hooks that everyone knows such as the "oooo baby baby!" and "push it real good" but when they break into verse I suddenly like what I'm hearing again. I also think the iconic synth loop is still something special. So it's a tale of two halves for me, so a 5 it is.
DominoDancing (11) ends it for us as the 11 giver - One of the best instrumental hooks in hip-hop history and a great vocal performance adding tons of memorable bits on top. I never get tired of this song. It's fun, a bit sexy, and everybody likes it.
So your top 80s cut is:
Manic Monday by The Bangles
They were always ahead of the rest within this song list so no surprises there!
I hope you are happy with it!
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he/him
@Empty Shoebox, we've had our share of disagreements already in the UK #2's rate but this kind of makes up for it.
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Oh wow.
He/Him
@Empty Shoebox, we've had our share of disagreements already in the UK #2's rate but this kind of makes up for it.
ohnostalgia
Staff member
She/her
I’ve already cancelled this rate eight times, what’s another one at this point?
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Deleted member 29256
EUHMMM I'm not the one scoring this lower than a 9!! This was my number 7 in my top 60 so I can live with it ending in 10th place.
But the Bangles being the last one standing from the 80s... clearly I'm hearing something wrong because that song has 0 personality compared to some of the other 80s songs, iyam.
He/Him
@Robsolete and @KingBruno - this is why you should have voted!!!
He/Him
I love The Bangles but Salt-N-Pepa were firmly in my top 5 so I am disappointed with it being the first casualty of the top 10. I wish everyone upped their score!!
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Deleted member 29256
But I gave every song a different score, and 6 songs I loved more than Push it.
Showing Out was 4th place!!
Showing Out was 4th place!!
I know :(
He/Him
I know my love! I am just playing - you are certainly not the one who caused this early exit!
Ooh I remember doing it on SingStar. Much like any other songs with rap bits it was a damn mess because the scoring always felt completely random.
He/Him
Ok it's a 10.
Yes like actually singing the tune to Round Round got you a worse score than a constant note.
she/her
Did you ever play Rapstar? Oh my god oh my GOD.
(I still beat the game though. Eventually. Hehe.)
Not a single mention of Spinderella!!!
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